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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 8th Feb 2017, 18:31
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I didn't fail all the GCSE's, I passed Maths and English.
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 22:02
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Ok well that at least makes a consolation, but my point is still the same, I'd suggest gaining some professional advice, minimum requirements for CTC wings are not there to make life a misery, they're there to ensure people are the right calibre to do the course.

You can very well pay your local flying school to do your PPL without even touching selection, but as a flying instructor I'd be inclined to recommend you for an aptitude test if you have sights on commercial. It is for your benefit and whoever will be loaning you the money.

Sorry to have to be so blunt, but this is a realists view. Maybe even a call to the CTC Careers helpline may set things straight.
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 22:14
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still, I will join CTC takeoff this year, I am not going down the loan route as I already have the funds available
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 00:14
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You will not get placed with two GCSEs.

You will struggle to find decent employment at most levels with only two GCSEs.

I'm not sure you appreciate the magnitude of work ATPL groundschool/CPL/MEIR/MCC+JOC/Type Rating/Base training/Line training is. If you can't get past GCSE's, I'm sorry but I really must insist on making sure you realise that you will not be able to handle the learning curve at CTC. People can and do drop out.

You need to be honest with yourself about your lack of success in Year 11 and what caused it.

If it was personal/family issues then fine. Resit all of your exams.

A lack of motivation/attitude? That is not compatible with being a Pilot and you will need to immediately turn that around.

A lack of ability? Sorry but again, the workload dumped on you by CTC is on a different level to anything you would get in the first year of undergraduate studies nevermind GCSEs. The sheer volume of stuff is like drinking from a fire hose and requires total commitment day in day out to keep on top of it.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 10:30
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The workload dumped on you by CTC is on a different level to anything you would get in the first year of undergraduate studies nevermind GCSEs. The sheer volume of stuff is like drinking from a fire hose and requires total commitment day in day out to keep on top of it
I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. Being in the process now, it's much more intense than the majority of my undergraduate ever was, let alone GCSEs. In the run up to exams it's safe to say you lose your entire life and I personally stay at CTC until about 11pm each night.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 11:32
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I must say I agree, I have done college, uni, and professional degrees and the ATPL studies are relentless. I am doing it distance learning over around 18 months and I still find it intense.
Doing it over 6 months at the likes of CTC will be way more intense than this. You need to be able to take in huge amounts of information, retain and understand it in a very short period of time.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 11:56
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You haven't seen anything yet Botley.

ATPLs are just a basic filter to be honest.

AQC is the real test of endurance.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 18:24
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I don't doubt you for one second. I've no doubt that every stage is the biggest hurdle ever until you get to the next one.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 14:57
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Just a quick question...
Do CTC allow students who are booked on a course, but not yet started, to access the ground school so they can get started?
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 15:14
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@stupotk,

Enjoy your spare time whilst you have it mate. You'll get the course materials closer to your start date and gain access to CTC when you eventually start. Not much point reading ahead really when the instruction will guide you through what areas are applicable for you!
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 15:16
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Makes sense! Thanks
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Old 13th Feb 2017, 13:42
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Hi

Does anyone here know did Qatar Airways will re open their programme this year or not ?

Any information given about Qatar Airways in CTC would be much appreciated
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 04:22
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Hi everyone, I'm going to face for the CTC cadet pilot interview program next month. I went last time and got knocked out from the 2nd interview. They told me to improve on my group activity and the 1 on 1 interview preparation. I think that they will change the questions for the final interview this time so if anyone can help me with the questions they gonna ask , it will be a huge favor for me.. Thank you.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 11:40
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Originally Posted by kevinattale View Post
I think that they will change the questions for the final interview this time so if anyone can help me with the questions they gonna ask , it will be a huge favor for me.. Thank you.
i.e. I can't be bothered to do any research myself so could people on here please collate a list for me.

Google non-technical skills and competency based interview questions. There's your help.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 11:42
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Originally Posted by stupotk View Post
Just a quick question...
Do CTC allow students who are booked on a course, but not yet started, to access the ground school so they can get started?
You'll be sent a link a couple of weeks before starting.

I suggest you sign up to the question bank 'aviation exam' now though and have a quick scan through it. The QB CTC issue is not as good.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 00:28
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CTC vs OAA FO employability rates + airline choice

Hi, been trying to create a thread, possibly not required after posting on here..

I'm looking to start the CTC whitetail program (integrated ATPL) in the upcoming months, I've saved up half the fee for the course and will be borrowing the rest.

I have a couple of questions if someone can help..

1) Is the success rate of CTC as good as they state? I have spoken to several advisors and have specifically asked if the stated 98% of graduates placed within the first 2 months have secured jobs as FIRST OFFICERS, the response was YES.

2) Would I get preference in terms of the airline I want to fly for once I've completed the course. I prefer Monarch due to their routes and FREE TYPE RATING. Which brings me onto another question, would I be better off at OAA for specific airline selection. I will be tight for funds after sparing 100k for the course at CTC. I need to know where my chances for employment would be the highest.

Please note my competency and ability to sit exams is not an issue or the subject in question..


P.S will have more questions in due course, if someone could guide me to setting up a new thread it would be great!

Thanks !
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 13:16
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98% of graduates placed within the first 2 months have secured jobs as FIRST OFFICERS, the response was YES.
Bear in mind this includes MPL trainees, the 98% figure includes everyone not just Wings trainees.

Would I get preference in terms of the airline I want to fly for once I've completed the course.
Haha no. It doesn't work like that.

If successful at the trainee review board after completing AQC you're placed in the hold pool. Note being in the pool does not guarantee a route to any airline you like, there will be people in it right now who are eligible to be in it but won't be eligible to apply for easyjet for example.

Airlines will email CTC and say "we want 6 to interview next week" and CTC send out an email to eligible hold pool trainees asking if they want to apply. The 6 who respond with the highest seniority numbers go to interview.

You have preference in so much as you tell CTC if you want to apply to that airline when the airline come to CTC with their request.

Do not be under the impression that you tell CTC you want Monarch and they will send you there for interview.

Please note my competency and ability to sit exams is not an issue
I would respectfully suggest your first task before applying to Wings interview is to climb out of your own bottom. Cocky students get their wings clipped big time at CTC; the management have been flying for decades, they have seen it all before. You have no idea whether you have the competence and ability until you are well into the system. It is not uncommon at all for cadets to fall short and end up getting their training contracts terminated, or to balls up their AQC and restrict their eligibility for easyJet. There are guys who have good ground school results and then go to HN/PHX and totally balls it up, they can't fly to CTC standard. It happens.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 22:39
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I prefer Monarch due to their routes and FREE TYPE RATING.
You might want to do your homework before shouting. It hasn't been "Free" for at least 2 years. Budget something North of 30k now.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 08:50
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The 98% of GRADUATES statistic may well be accurate. The question to ask is how many fail to graduate in the first place. If you don't get into the hold pool then CTC won't call you a 'graduate' to preserve the statistic...

My 2 cents, go MPL if you possibly can. It's a much safer route.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 22:37
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Hi,

Thank you for your advice.
Sir(tech log) my intention wasn't to brag, I understand I'm just as vulnerable to be unsuccessful at any stage of the course as anyone. So I retract that statement.


GDAJB: I was not aware that Monarch charge for a type rating, I was just told by the CTC advisor that they are one of the airlines who do not charge but deduct from the initial pay over a certain amount of months, which I guess works out to be the same but that would have helped my situation by not actually needing to give the cash upfront. I the advisor was right!

In regards to the MPL, I was made aware by the advisor that you're provided with an airline specific type rating?? :S.. Would that mean I'd be unable to move airlines without having to fork out another 30k for a type rating? Also, I'm confident (not bragging) that I should pass the ATPL but worst case if I do not pass the interview with easy jet after completion, would I still have to pay the full Easyjet MPL fee (109,000).. Or would I be refunded the difference of (15,000). ATPL Whitetail (94,000)..

Im sorry if I'm coming across not having done the appropriate research etc but thats why I've joined this forum to gain the knowledge of the experts. I've read many of the old forums but as I'm sure you're aware everything is changing so fast in this field and most of the figures and fees are out of date.


Tech Log: In terms of being selective with the desired airline, would I be better off going with OAA as they state they are not filling spaces on a first come basis with partner airlines, the way CTC do, they state that instead their graduate services will help create and modify applications to suit the graduates preference? I know it may be a sales speech.

My only concern is right now that I do not want to commence a course and potentially be jobless by the end of the 18 month adventure at the expense of circa 120k..


Thank you once again,

Willing to take on all the constructive advice anyone has to offer!
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