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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 14th Jul 2009, 05:47
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A troll of the highest order, look at the really 'cool' screen name I might change mine to CTC4eva or RYR4eva. Go and enjoy your flight ctcpilot2b. Does the 2b refer to the streaming you are in? 1 being best and 2 being worst, 'a' being slightly better and 'b' being useless but rich so we will keep taking the money? Or is it text talk?

As for Tescos, they are turning over a billion a day and netting several billion a year in profit. What BA? A 400 million loss. Over a million a day lost. Pride comes before a fall and this is the instance where that applies. You aren't a pilot and you aren't at CTC but you very funnily have created a textbook example of one, and, the market the likes of CTC aspire to. If you did but realise it you have made CTC look silly and if you have done that that was a bad idea. If you don't go there then what on Earth for? Attention seeking? Little mentalist.

If CTC did make those claims, well, jolly good. I look forward to it happening. As I have said, I use this thread as a measuring stick of the market amongst other things and that sounds like great news - I might have to start up a new thread entitled - 'CTC say there is a pilot shortage looming and that BA will need 400 pilots in a year and a half, Yessss.'
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 06:39
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The Worlds Favorite has a pilot surplus and it is hard to find out the plan for the next few weeks/months let alone the next few years. Claiming we will need 400 is complete rot. Anyone going in to flying training on the basis of that is a complete buffoon... but hey ho, crack on!
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 06:47
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Question The beak

I really do hope you dont check PPRuNe at 5:30 am - you have got it bad! Oh i am at ctc by the way, so its evening here
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 08:59
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Well I can't blame CTC for telling such nonsense, Oxford does the same with a nice banner on its web site saying how surprised we would be by the answer to the fatal question "Is now a good time for training?"...

They need people!

If you can afford it start now and with CTC it will maximize your chance. Otherwise, don't risk your parents house and go modular it will take longer and by the time things should look a bit brighter.

Anyway, let's not think too much there's not a lot we can do, just hope things won't turn too crazy this winter... Finger crossed!

(400 pilots by 2011 for BA and all from CTC of course Can't believe they actually said that...)
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 10:11
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I went for a few drinks with a BA pilot last night and he absolutely couldn't believe the 400 pilots in 2011 story, the way things are going in the airline at the moment. It just won't happen. As I said, FTO marketing = mostly garbage.
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 10:14
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ctcpilot2b is winding you up. hook, line and sinker......

lot of people talking on this thread. people actually seem annoyed/shocked that flight schools might want to persuade wannabes to start training and shell out 70k. and, god forbid, might actually oversell future employment prospects......!

welcome to the real world people.
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 10:37
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It's not surprising that the FTOs do that, but it just makes it more important to come on places like here and offer the opposing viewpoint. Because when that over-selling employment prospects stretches to people parting with 70k for a course and effectively betting someone's home on those over-sold employment prospects, then it's important people have a balanced view beforehand - not just some fancy FTO PR and a few numbers about pilot recruitment plucked out of the air.

This isn't a game - people don't seem to realise that the numbers on those bank forms have a really serious value and one day they might have to pay it all back. It's so easy to sign everything away when you don't actually see any of the cold, hard cash and you don't have to worry about it for a couple of years.

Also one other thing; TheBeak, if you were sure the guy was a troll, why did you bother writing a three-paragraph reply?! Don't rise to it.
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 11:51
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if some joker roles up to a flight training school open day, loves what they hear/see and subsequently parts with 70k (with no backup plan, info about what is really going to happen in the future) then, in my book, they deserve everything they get. do people have to be spoonfed everything these days cos they're so clueless??! here's a thought, use your brain and figure things out for yourself. then you wont have to read the ramblings on this thread......
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 12:30
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Zippy,
It's not surprising that the FTOs do that, but it just makes it more important to come on places like here and offer the opposing viewpoint.
I have to disagree old chap. This place is full of plausible BS (well meaning and agenda driven) and shouldn't be given much weight.

On the whole, I think FTO's are fairly restrained, CTC's own FAQs are fairly frank. When I attended Phase 1 they wouldn't be drawn on the likely hood of a job or timing. Most of what is written here about what CTC promised/suggested/said is spun or fabricated for effect. Can you imagine what the business would be like if the people behind those "retrain for a career in IT" telly adverts did pilot training, cadets would be expecting company cars.
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 12:54
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I can only come on here and speak from my own experiences as an ex-CTCer. I have no agenda other than to answer questions and offer a viewpoint as to what it's like being on the Cadet course, and offer my own personal opinion that at the moment, I feel it's a bad time to spend all that money on an integrated course. I say that because:

a) A lot of my colleagues are now in their second year of 6-month summer contracts wondering how they are going to keep paying their loans in the winter months, and indications from some of the airlines involved are that there will be no recruitment / FlexiCrew only for the forseeable future.

b) Some of those that started flying on the line in spring this year actually finished the course in the middle of last year and had a long wait, watching the interest on their loans mount up.

c) The holding pool is filling up fast with new cadets; when next year's recruitment starts, will the airlines be able to soak up all the previous years' six-month lot in addition to those coming in at the bottom now?

It's good to know the company are being restrained in their approach to questions about job placement and timing. Even so, it doesn't alter my opinion, and it is only my opinion, that now is a bad time to fork out all that money on training.

I would be absolutely delighted to eat my own hat if BA really do take on 400 new pilot recruits in 2011.
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Old 14th Jul 2009, 19:10
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Anyone going to the Phase 2 / 3 assessment day next wednesday (22 July) ?
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Old 15th Jul 2009, 02:44
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Understood Zippy,

Just in case you thought otherwise, my "BS" remark wasn't aimed at you. Anyway, as you pointed out, after a year or so of flying around you get a new perspective on the industry (positive and negative), so I think we're heading to the same picknik area, just by different tracks.

I would be absolutely delighted to eat my own hat if BA really do take on 400 new pilot recruits in 2011
Interesting one this, and good example of the obfuscation on offer in this thread. These quotes cover the "400" issue in chronological order:
Q.What are you hearing from the market in terms of employment, who's hiring, who's looking to begin hiring in the next 2 years etc..?
A. BA we think are looking to begin hiring around April 2011. But not on any major volume.
Q. Employment?
A. BA won't be hiring until 2011, but then they will need 400 pilots
To expand on this a bit...

Charlie Maunder from BA met with CTC cadets last Friday.

He said that BA were not anticipating any hiring until around April 2011. When asked how many pilots they were likely to need, he said something along the lines of: The need could start off as just a trickle of pilots, going up to around 400 pilots a year if/when recruitment gets going.

He did point out a couple of times that the subject of recruitment was more of an 'if' then a 'when' and that they were in a struggle for survival.
See the problem with this thread?
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Old 25th Jul 2009, 11:31
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hey,
does anyone know what kind of numbers are in the hold pool at the moment and if airlines have started taking in cadets again yet?

cheers
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Old 25th Jul 2009, 13:46
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Sorry Roboa,

Did you actually ask are airlines taking cadets again?
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Old 26th Jul 2009, 17:59
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Yeah lol with the thinest sliver of hope! Just wondered if there had been any sort of movement within the industry since I looked last (march-ish)

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Old 26th Jul 2009, 18:34
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If anything, things have got worse.
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Old 26th Jul 2009, 23:12
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How so?

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Old 26th Jul 2009, 23:34
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Roboa,

I'm not sure if you're a wind up, which if so, congratulations, you've got me but have you any idea what's going on in the industry at the moment?!
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Old 27th Jul 2009, 10:48
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Just wondered if there had been any sort of movement within the industry since I looked last (march-ish)
You just posted that without bothering to read anything on this thread from the last four months, or on any other relevant threads?

The answer to your question is emphatically no. In addition, rumours are abound that TCX will be returning some cadets to the hold pool come the end of the summer.
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Old 27th Jul 2009, 21:54
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Sharpclassic,

No, hence the reason i posted.

Zippy Monster,

To answer your question, yes I did look. But, there are several pages of complete off-topic posts in this thread making relevant infomration a pain to find sometimes
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