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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 15th Jul 2008, 21:49
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Someone just scraping by will undoubtedly struggle to get into the likes of BA I'd have thought
You'd be suprised, some of the people I saw on JOC

I'm on a 6 month contract with another airline working as ground-crew which I'm really enjoying, fantastic experience and good pay. So basically that is my alternative. Should I get to the end of that contract and EZY have still not come up with the goods then I guess I look around for another job, perhaps look at Cityjet, but given what were all hearing EZY are short staffed not to mention the rest of industry. It is just physically impossible for them to not recruit, pilots leave/retire/die(god forbid) and to keep the a/c going they need more people. Cadets are cheap and very well trained.

I just wanted to clarify, the EZY holding pool is not for the scrape through cadets who struggled, everyone there deserves to be there as they have survived a very very tough course and achieved a high standard. Not everyone gets into BA, there have been some very surprising assessment results (not including mine as I wasn't particularly surprised!) just goes to show that just being a good pilot doesn't necessarily make you a "BA person".


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Old 16th Jul 2008, 12:48
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I don't think a scrape through during training will preclude you from BA. Likewise having a glowing training record will not get you in. It seems often like a good day or bad day on tests/interview pretty much decides if you get in or not. Same with all the other airlines really. CTC pass you over as a finished product with a certain standard expected!

As you say EZY don't take muppets at all, (no-one does!). Anyone in the EZY hold pool has done well! There was a while (apparently) when CTC would only send top notch cadets to EZY to make sure they were happy with the standard and kept buying em!

Who knows how you end up where you do! You just seem to wind up where you are and I'm convinced that's just how it is!!! (Job wise!)

Good luck to everyone waiting for a full-time contract though, hope it all works out!

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Old 17th Jul 2008, 13:51
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Hi all, I was hoping someone could let me know how the phase 2/3 of the wings selection has changed. I'm due to go back to do phase 3 again but have been told the exercises have changed from when I did them. What format do they take now? I don't think there's much point in trying to prepare answers as it's either in you or isn't but I'd just like to know if there have been any radical changes to the selection, or interview, for that matter.

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Old 17th Jul 2008, 15:17
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Old 19th Jul 2008, 09:48
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RE: Employment prospects their may also be this option ? from CTC's The Standard June 2008 edition available for PDF download here: CTC Wings - Downloads

Closer to Home now, But nonetheless significant to us: Our Pilots have been selected to fly the B757 with DHL Air LTD and commenced Line flying in May 2008.
We are working on a new partnership with DHL Air Ltd to supply Pilots selected through CTC Wings with Initial placements destined for DHL Air's Leipzig Base.
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Old 19th Jul 2008, 18:13
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Daily life of a CTC wings cadet?

I apologise if this has been covered but I can't seem to find it anywhere. What is the average day of CTC Wings Cadet? I'm just interested in what sort of hours you are flying a day, how much ground school is involved, what time do you start/finish, how much spare time do you have? Etc.

Thanks in advance for any help its greatly appreciated
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Old 19th Jul 2008, 19:10
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at this time of year it goes roughly like this:

Wake up and look outside: its raining. Go into training centre to cancel flight. Lay around at Clearways/Peach/Knox until dinner, eat, watch TV, sleep.

Rinse and repeat!
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Old 19th Jul 2008, 23:52
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Ah come on you guys must surely still be keeping Bank and Coyote's in business on a rainy day?!
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Old 20th Jul 2008, 11:22
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Work Visas for Spouses/Partners coming to NZ

Hi all

I have a question about NZ work visas for my wife who will be coming with me whilst I'm on the CTC course.
She needs to work whilst we're there and is unsure as to whether to apply for a working holiday visa or whether to try and apply for a full work visa. She works for a global investment bank but we're not sure that her job would classify as a skilled worker (most probably not). She is happy to do temp work to give us more flexibility.

Anyone taken a partner with them to NZ and have some experience of this?

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Old 21st Jul 2008, 13:19
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I have just finished my 3rd year at university and going into my fourth and final year. I am intending to apply to CTC wings but Im not sure when I should apply. I finish university in mid June 2009 but I havent been able to find out how long from application to flying out to NZ takes. I want to apply as soon as possible but wouldnt want to be in a position where I had to turn a place down (if I was lucky enough to get that far) because I wouldnt have finished uni.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Old 21st Jul 2008, 13:39
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you dont have to go out immediately as far as i know... you can pass selection and postpone going to NZ i am sure. Speak to the selection team in bournemouth they will tell you...
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Old 21st Jul 2008, 13:42
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i know c couple of partners that have gone to nz and worked, they didnt seem to have a hard time with it. dont think you need to tell them your an astronaught or anything. (for that space programme NZ are famous for)
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Old 21st Jul 2008, 15:50
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Hey Tom, I'm taking my phase 4 in 3 weeks from now only because CTC didn't want to delay my departure to New Zealand.

I'm under contract with easyJet (cabin crew) until october 31th so I can't start training (if I'm succesfull) beforeore November.... I was supposed to sit my sim-check in April but they said to me that once you pass you can't delay, you have to take the date they give you... Actually, if I'm good I won't leave before January or February as all the courses are full until this date...

And an other point, I talked with a Captain last day, he's a CTC trainer in Nursling as well and he told me that because of the credit crunch, the unsecured loan should simply disapear... The future will be very different, the selected candidates will still benefit from CTC connections and first class training (which is already a lot) but will probably have to self-fund the training..
Once again, I don't say that this is what will happen but times are changing and I would strongly recommend everybody who feel ready to go for it within the next few months.

Do you guys already in the scheme have more information??

Best of luck
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Old 21st Jul 2008, 16:09
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Originally Posted by Bambe
The future will be very different, the selected candidates will still benefit from CTC connections and first class training (which is already a lot) but will probably have to self-fund the training..
As it stands, I think the unsecured loan still exists as there is no change of information on their website.

It's really important to clarify speculation....self-funding the training means that you pay for everything yourself, i.e. similar deal to Oxford and other integrated FTOs. Do you (or the Captain you spoke to) mean this? Or do you mean that the loan will simply need to be secured against equity rather than be offered wholly unsecured.

If self-funded, then that throws a large principal of CTC out the window...
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Old 21st Jul 2008, 18:34
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I'm not quite sure which part of having a 60,000+ loan in your name isn't self funding. Answers on a postcard please.
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Old 21st Jul 2008, 19:00
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I think thats what people keep forgetting is that it is money YOU are taking out,not CTC. They say they want to be able to train Pilots from every background,give the opportunity for those who cant afford to pay for training(they give you the opportunity to get a unique loan arrangement instead!) to pay for the training. Mind though you are getting a type rating if you go through the wings scheme which saves you a few
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Old 21st Jul 2008, 19:24
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To me, self funding is you paying for it all with no remuneration for the training. The whole point of CTC's financial plan is that the airline pays back 1000 per month tax free for training costs incurred...

Why question was whether they were scrapping the unsecured loan, making it all or part secured but still having the airline pay back the agreed money directly to the loan owner (therefore not strictly self-funded because the airline is paying for some of it) or whether they are making it self funded and the partner airline won't pay any training costs.

Big difference in cost.
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Old 22nd Jul 2008, 00:13
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Is there any form of holiday? Do you ever get to go home or are you stuck out there till your all done?
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Old 22nd Jul 2008, 00:23
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*sigh* The partner airline does not pay any of the training costs. Yes, you get 1000 a month on top of your salary; it just so happens that your salary is 12000 a year less than the equivalent direct entry salary.

CTC is a self funded scheme; it just has an arrangement with HSBC to make funding easier.
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Old 22nd Jul 2008, 07:55
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If you get 1000 on top of the basic salary you are being paid, then surely you pay back the loan that you arranged for training i.e. you are paying back money incurred for the training.

As a lot of others have said on this thread, you could think about it as having some training costs paid for and a reduced salary, or having the full salary (inc the 1000 a month) and pay back the loan yourself.

CTC use the former for marketing purposes...from their website.

"The CTC Wings Cadet Programme is a sponsored programme, which means you won't be paying for your training....however you will be required to raise a security bond."
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