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Originally Posted by Luke SkyToddler
Excellent mate, you fly because you love it, not because you expect a big payoff at the end of the day. I'm glad that you're getting to do what you love, really I am 
Well rich boy one day you may wake up and find that you have spent all your money, by which time the whole industry will be comprised of you and your rich mates telling yourselves how clever you are for "doing the job you love" and nicely subsidizing Michael O'
ing Leary's latest country estate acquisition in the process.
And I really sincerely hope, that when me and my mates have got nothing but dusty old photos and memories of us doing the job that WE used to love too, before it got too expensive for us to keep up with the rich kids and we had to go work as supermarket shelf stackers or something, I really hope you end up somewhere ing cold, old lonely and penniless, in some drab grey state funded retirement home, with a good 20 or 30 years of old age to think about what a short sighted stupid loser you were.
Well rich boy one day you may wake up and find that you have spent all your money, by which time the whole industry will be comprised of you and your rich mates telling yourselves how clever you are for "doing the job you love" and nicely subsidizing Michael O'
ing Leary's latest country estate acquisition in the process.And I really sincerely hope, that when me and my mates have got nothing but dusty old photos and memories of us doing the job that WE used to love too, before it got too expensive for us to keep up with the rich kids and we had to go work as supermarket shelf stackers or something, I really hope you end up somewhere
ing cold, old lonely and penniless, in some drab grey state funded retirement home, with a good 20 or 30 years of old age to think about what a short sighted stupid loser you were.I can't get a job in the US as I don't have a green card. I can't fly in Europe as I don't have the ratings nor the legal right to work there either. I cannot fly in neighboring Caribbean islands as I also need to convert to their licenses. So I bought some block hours to keep current and build time to hopefully get an interview back home one day.
I do not know what it is like in Europe, but Jamaica does not operate like over there, there is no type rating scheme, no one buying their way in. Its how it has always been, meet the minimum requirements get and interview and good luck too you.
I do sympathize with your situation, but as I said you do not know me and you should not pass judgment. Good luck to you and fly safely.
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Originally Posted by 757manipulator
What do you think I did when I didnt have an airline job?..sit at home twiddling my thumbs? no, I flew 152's, 172's, 206's, 210's anything I could get my hands on. I instructed, flew Air Taxi's, did charter work, and also worked about 3 day jobs. So as Luke says, I hope your happy, your ignorance is astounding, so what if your in the caribbean..do you think that because your somewhere else its all that different? newsflash its not.
Yes you are buying a job, yes you are being foolish, what it boils down to is that you are not prepared to work and gain a position on your merits, you like many others are selfish and ignorant, without the benefit of understanding or even listening to those who know a little more about the situation than you evidently do.
I hope your happy
Yes you are buying a job, yes you are being foolish, what it boils down to is that you are not prepared to work and gain a position on your merits, you like many others are selfish and ignorant, without the benefit of understanding or even listening to those who know a little more about the situation than you evidently do.
I hope your happy
You flew 152's and 172's and air taxis because there were such jobs for you to fly. Show me where they are here, I will gladly apply. And no i am not buying a job, I am building time, I had to pay yes but would rather to have done it the way you did but I simply cannot.
I am not a lazy person; if the jobs were there I would take them. Bully to all of you who have jobs and can now sit back and bash me because I chose to spend money I really don't have to try and gain the experience to get a job.
Maybe if any of you were in my position you would be singing a different tune.
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I'm sorry jamav8r but I still don't feel sorry for you mate. If you can afford to go buy time in an airliner, then you can go buy time in a piston twin and not do us working pilots out of a job in the process. It's a sh!t situation to be in and you're not the only one, in fact you're one of probably thousands who are in similar positions. People have always made sacrifices and prostituted themselves and worked for little or nothing to get their first break in aviation, have done for decades! Everybody wants to be a pilot eh 
Difference is, that people used to beg and scrounge hours and work for bugger all on light pistons, doing instructing or air taxi or whatever, and it kind of made sense because you knew that the big holy grail of the 'airline pilot' with the prestige and big bucks was waiting.
What's happened in the last few years that's completely tipped the historical balance of the industry, is that people are now buying time in jobs that used to be once reserved for proper airline pilots, and well paid accordingly. If you would have gone up to some operator of B707s or Tridents or something 30 years ago, and tried to buy some hours, the management would have looked at you like you were crazy, and the airline pilot unions would have run you out of town. The likes of Eaglejet have well and truly crossed that line, and they represent the greatest threat the pilot profession has ever faced.
I don't have anything against people making sacrifices to get into aviation but I believe that the profession of 'airline pilot' has to be protected, against the likes of wannabes like jamav8r who in his own desperation is degrading the working conditions for all of us right now, whether he likes it or not. It's clear to anyone who spends 10 minutes looking around this forum that argument or reason or abuse won't stop the hordes of lemmings throwing their money at the Eaglejets and Sky Europes and Ryanairs of the world, which is why I believe more than ever that we HAVE to fight to restore the historical balance where you couldn't even get sat in a modern turbine engine aircraft without having served your time in smaller machines first. The temptation is clearly too strong for someone in jamav8rs position, the best hope we have is to make buying-line-flying-time schemes illegal if any of us want to have a job worth having in 10 years time.
Difference is, that people used to beg and scrounge hours and work for bugger all on light pistons, doing instructing or air taxi or whatever, and it kind of made sense because you knew that the big holy grail of the 'airline pilot' with the prestige and big bucks was waiting.
What's happened in the last few years that's completely tipped the historical balance of the industry, is that people are now buying time in jobs that used to be once reserved for proper airline pilots, and well paid accordingly. If you would have gone up to some operator of B707s or Tridents or something 30 years ago, and tried to buy some hours, the management would have looked at you like you were crazy, and the airline pilot unions would have run you out of town. The likes of Eaglejet have well and truly crossed that line, and they represent the greatest threat the pilot profession has ever faced.
I don't have anything against people making sacrifices to get into aviation but I believe that the profession of 'airline pilot' has to be protected, against the likes of wannabes like jamav8r who in his own desperation is degrading the working conditions for all of us right now, whether he likes it or not. It's clear to anyone who spends 10 minutes looking around this forum that argument or reason or abuse won't stop the hordes of lemmings throwing their money at the Eaglejets and Sky Europes and Ryanairs of the world, which is why I believe more than ever that we HAVE to fight to restore the historical balance where you couldn't even get sat in a modern turbine engine aircraft without having served your time in smaller machines first. The temptation is clearly too strong for someone in jamav8rs position, the best hope we have is to make buying-line-flying-time schemes illegal if any of us want to have a job worth having in 10 years time.
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Originally Posted by Luke SkyToddler
I'm sorry jamav8r but I still don't feel sorry for you mate. If you can afford to go buy time in an airliner, then you can go buy time in a piston twin and not do us working pilots out of a job in the process. It's a sh!t situation to be in and you're not the only one, in fact you're one of probably thousands who are in similar positions. People have always made sacrifices and prostituted themselves and worked for little or nothing to get their first break in aviation, have done for decades! Everybody wants to be a pilot eh
Difference is, that people used to beg and scrounge hours and work for bugger all on light pistons, doing instructing or air taxi or whatever, and it kind of made sense because you knew that the big holy grail of the 'airline pilot' with the prestige and big bucks was waiting.
What's happened in the last few years that's completely tipped the historical balance of the industry, is that people are now buying time in jobs that used to be once reserved for proper airline pilots, and well paid accordingly. If you would have gone up to some operator of B707s or Tridents or something 30 years ago, and tried to buy some hours, the management would have looked at you like you were crazy, and the airline pilot unions would have run you out of town. The likes of Eaglejet have well and truly crossed that line, and they represent the greatest threat the pilot profession has ever faced.
I don't have anything against people making sacrifices to get into aviation but I believe that the profession of 'airline pilot' has to be protected, against the likes of wannabes like jamav8r who in his own desperation is degrading the working conditions for all of us right now, whether he likes it or not. It's clear to anyone who spends 10 minutes looking around this forum that argument or reason or abuse won't stop the hordes of lemmings throwing their money at the Eaglejets and Sky Europes and Ryanairs of the world, which is why I believe more than ever that we HAVE to fight to restore the historical balance where you couldn't even get sat in a modern turbine engine aircraft without having served your time in smaller machines first. The temptation is clearly too strong for someone in jamav8rs position, the best hope we have is to make buying-line-flying-time schemes illegal if any of us want to have a job worth having in 10 years time.
Difference is, that people used to beg and scrounge hours and work for bugger all on light pistons, doing instructing or air taxi or whatever, and it kind of made sense because you knew that the big holy grail of the 'airline pilot' with the prestige and big bucks was waiting.
What's happened in the last few years that's completely tipped the historical balance of the industry, is that people are now buying time in jobs that used to be once reserved for proper airline pilots, and well paid accordingly. If you would have gone up to some operator of B707s or Tridents or something 30 years ago, and tried to buy some hours, the management would have looked at you like you were crazy, and the airline pilot unions would have run you out of town. The likes of Eaglejet have well and truly crossed that line, and they represent the greatest threat the pilot profession has ever faced.
I don't have anything against people making sacrifices to get into aviation but I believe that the profession of 'airline pilot' has to be protected, against the likes of wannabes like jamav8r who in his own desperation is degrading the working conditions for all of us right now, whether he likes it or not. It's clear to anyone who spends 10 minutes looking around this forum that argument or reason or abuse won't stop the hordes of lemmings throwing their money at the Eaglejets and Sky Europes and Ryanairs of the world, which is why I believe more than ever that we HAVE to fight to restore the historical balance where you couldn't even get sat in a modern turbine engine aircraft without having served your time in smaller machines first. The temptation is clearly too strong for someone in jamav8rs position, the best hope we have is to make buying-line-flying-time schemes illegal if any of us want to have a job worth having in 10 years time.
As I say I am still willing to sit in any airplane and pay my dues, I just have not been offered a job, any job. So rather than sit idly by, I am gaining experience on a turbo prop aircraft, facing the same dangers and pitfalls as all of you. I may not be paid for what I do but I work just as hard at it as any of you in your paying jobs.
Question, which eagle jet are you referring to?
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Jama has his point, he is no a EU nor a US citizen.
he is f...d! by our system which gives him no chance except to pay to fly or marry a EU/US girl.
so give him a break!
Eagle jet will soon let all of you with empty pockets (and no hours)., I have eared they will file bankrupt before to be "grounded" by the EU commission.that's their plan!
he is f...d! by our system which gives him no chance except to pay to fly or marry a EU/US girl.
so give him a break!
Eagle jet will soon let all of you with empty pockets (and no hours)., I have eared they will file bankrupt before to be "grounded" by the EU commission.that's their plan!
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A320rider,
Eaglejet is, to best of my knowledge, a U.S-based company.
In what way could the EU possibly get them "grounded"?
"Grounded",....there's another thing. They don't have an AOC. How could a company be grounded if it never gets off the ground anyway?!
A lot of the companys that Eaglejet does its business with are non-EU. In what way would the EU have any kind of "jurisdiction" to shut them down?!
Sounds like wishful thinking on your part Mr A320rider.
Eaglejet is, to best of my knowledge, a U.S-based company.
In what way could the EU possibly get them "grounded"?
"Grounded",....there's another thing. They don't have an AOC. How could a company be grounded if it never gets off the ground anyway?!
A lot of the companys that Eaglejet does its business with are non-EU. In what way would the EU have any kind of "jurisdiction" to shut them down?!
Sounds like wishful thinking on your part Mr A320rider.
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One big misconception is that you buy yourself enough experience to be able to work as a first officer when you buy yourself time - if that would have been the case you wouldn't be able to buy yourself time in the first place, since you fly as a first officer with passengers when you buy the time!
You do not need any experience to fly as first officer for an airline except for a frozen ATPL and a rating. I fact, many companies employ that type of pilots without any problems. If you have a rating, you can fly the plane! You still have a captain to do the final decisions. The only reason it is easier to get a job with a rating and/or hours on type is because the airlines get hundreds of applications and can't select everybody for an interview.
There is nothing wrong with paying for your own rating if you get an employment. What Eagle Jet does is however wrong because they let people who haven’t been tested fly for airlines that’s only interest is to cut costs in the short term. I have heard several examples of pay-to-fly-pilots who have been far below average and I wonder how many mistakes they have made that haven’t resulted in serious incidents – yet.
Eagle Jet should be stopped in the interest of safety – it has nothing to do with a free market. They don’t have an AOC, but that’s not the issue. The EU can still make it illegal for European airlines to hire pilots who pay to fly.
You do not need any experience to fly as first officer for an airline except for a frozen ATPL and a rating. I fact, many companies employ that type of pilots without any problems. If you have a rating, you can fly the plane! You still have a captain to do the final decisions. The only reason it is easier to get a job with a rating and/or hours on type is because the airlines get hundreds of applications and can't select everybody for an interview.
There is nothing wrong with paying for your own rating if you get an employment. What Eagle Jet does is however wrong because they let people who haven’t been tested fly for airlines that’s only interest is to cut costs in the short term. I have heard several examples of pay-to-fly-pilots who have been far below average and I wonder how many mistakes they have made that haven’t resulted in serious incidents – yet.
Eagle Jet should be stopped in the interest of safety – it has nothing to do with a free market. They don’t have an AOC, but that’s not the issue. The EU can still make it illegal for European airlines to hire pilots who pay to fly.
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Well you go do what you have to do. Its that simple. I don't know where you got the Idea that Light airplane flying like flight instruction or doing single engine charter flying dose not count. It dose and in spades. There are plenty of jobs around, Pan Am Beijing is hiring, you would not have any work permit problems. I turned down a job with them, but hey what can I say. The hard part is not the learning to fly, its how to find a job and get your foot in the door. Sounds to me that You didn't start looking before you were done and had no Idea how to do it. And you ran out of time and now well what do I do now. Guys if you sit and wait for the phone to ring, you are going to have a long wait. There are flight schools all over looking for instructors, and its the slow time in another month or two, things are going to open up quite a bit with the warmer and better weather. Now if you want to get a green card, heck there is a way to get automatic citizenship of the United States if you are young enough and up to it.
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Do you think the Formula One authorities are also going to make it illegal to bye a seat in a Grand Prix car?
That has been going on for decades now. It makes it hard for those of us with natural talent to get in – but then again, even Shoemaker paid for his first race in F.1 !
You do what you have to do. Everyone plays their hand as best as they see fit. We are not all dealt the same cards, thus we cannot be expected to purse the same goal by the same route. There will be winners and losers. It may not be fair, but it is real.
-Sure you may sight an individual as unethical for taking up the opportunities available to him within the structure of a particular activity – however you should simultaneously recognize the workings of that activity as unethical. The truth is most of us don’t really like numerous realities of our chosen professions.
Everyone knows that many of the more gifted drivers are never going to enter a Grand Prix because rich kids are buying some of the seats. But slapping their wrists and complaining that this is derogatory to the careers of others just isn’t going to make them stop.
The reality of Forumla One may not be pretty, but if the participants cannot accept it, and nor have the power to change it, then they should take up golf.
That has been going on for decades now. It makes it hard for those of us with natural talent to get in – but then again, even Shoemaker paid for his first race in F.1 !
You do what you have to do. Everyone plays their hand as best as they see fit. We are not all dealt the same cards, thus we cannot be expected to purse the same goal by the same route. There will be winners and losers. It may not be fair, but it is real.
-Sure you may sight an individual as unethical for taking up the opportunities available to him within the structure of a particular activity – however you should simultaneously recognize the workings of that activity as unethical. The truth is most of us don’t really like numerous realities of our chosen professions.
Everyone knows that many of the more gifted drivers are never going to enter a Grand Prix because rich kids are buying some of the seats. But slapping their wrists and complaining that this is derogatory to the careers of others just isn’t going to make them stop.
The reality of Forumla One may not be pretty, but if the participants cannot accept it, and nor have the power to change it, then they should take up golf.
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Bill O'Reilly, what was it again "fair and balanced news",heard that O'Reilly is moving to his favorite country(France)
The difference is there are no paying pax on board a race car,this is not a rich kids sport but commercial air transport(although i agree it starts to look like it).
Do we have the power to change it?
Yes we do,the pilots are the only ones who can change this. In some company's there are still pilots on the interview board, just chuck anything in the bin that says;bought a TR or i am willing to pay for my own TR.The HR poeple and the poeple buying the TR are not going to change there attitudes.
Of course we will all pay for this in our T&C's, i have been told to play the ball and not the man,called "negative" and all kinds of names .Why?, because i care about this industry and don't want to see it go down the drains by self funders, eagle jet and other predators like them who are taking advantage of poeple's desperation.I don't know where A320 gets his info but even if they would go out of business there are enough others out there willing to fill the gap.Yes,these so called legitimate company's(hour building with pax on board,just read it out loud,does it not sound ridiculous?) will continue to F.ck it up for all of us.Until all pilots stand up against this i am afraid nothing will change.Just keep flipping the coin to justify your buying scheme, i think that poeple who are confronted with there actions on this form get so p.ssed of because they know they are doing the wrong thing and don't want to be reminded.
You work for eagle jet ?
The difference is there are no paying pax on board a race car,this is not a rich kids sport but commercial air transport(although i agree it starts to look like it).
Do we have the power to change it?
Yes we do,the pilots are the only ones who can change this. In some company's there are still pilots on the interview board, just chuck anything in the bin that says;bought a TR or i am willing to pay for my own TR.The HR poeple and the poeple buying the TR are not going to change there attitudes.
Of course we will all pay for this in our T&C's, i have been told to play the ball and not the man,called "negative" and all kinds of names .Why?, because i care about this industry and don't want to see it go down the drains by self funders, eagle jet and other predators like them who are taking advantage of poeple's desperation.I don't know where A320 gets his info but even if they would go out of business there are enough others out there willing to fill the gap.Yes,these so called legitimate company's(hour building with pax on board,just read it out loud,does it not sound ridiculous?) will continue to F.ck it up for all of us.Until all pilots stand up against this i am afraid nothing will change.Just keep flipping the coin to justify your buying scheme, i think that poeple who are confronted with there actions on this form get so p.ssed of because they know they are doing the wrong thing and don't want to be reminded.
You work for eagle jet ?
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No – I do not work for eaglejet…
But I am considering establishing a similar scheme whereby newly graduated journalists will be able to purchase anchorman time…
After that I envisage extending the program into the medical field. Wannabe surgeons will have the opportunity to purchase theater time. Simple operations will be offered for a minimal fee. Heart-transplants and brain surgery will be priced similar to A320 experience.
Buying your way in is a reality of life – from F1, to politics and sure it is often silly…so good luck in changing it!
- I like the French. They gave us a rather decent statue…
But I am considering establishing a similar scheme whereby newly graduated journalists will be able to purchase anchorman time…
After that I envisage extending the program into the medical field. Wannabe surgeons will have the opportunity to purchase theater time. Simple operations will be offered for a minimal fee. Heart-transplants and brain surgery will be priced similar to A320 experience.
Buying your way in is a reality of life – from F1, to politics and sure it is often silly…so good luck in changing it!
- I like the French. They gave us a rather decent statue…
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Nobody would watch your news broadcast with an anchorman paying for his time (so he would be as good as a "real" anchorman who didn't have to pay) and nobody would have a heart transplant at a hospital where the doctor paid for the surgery so he could learn how to be as good as other doctors. The reason people fly with airlines "employing" Eagle Jet pilots is because of ignorance.
On the other hand, I don't think "educating" the public is a good solution - it would just decrease their confidence in aviation in general.
The other reason doctors don’t pay to work is because the market is stabilized. The salary reflects the investment in the training and the supply of competent wannabe doctors. The “pilot market” is however as unstable as it can be. Temporary fluctuations in demand for air travel have increased the unemployment ratio and the salaries haven’t decreased the way they should have in a perfect market economy. Eventually they will. Salaries will decrease and/or demand for pilots will increase and/or supply of competent pilots will decrease – until the supply/demand has equalized so there will be no more pilots paying to get a job. In the mean time we have to regulate the market the same way as we regulate the interest rate – not because of moral issues but because of economical ones.
On the other hand, I don't think "educating" the public is a good solution - it would just decrease their confidence in aviation in general.
The other reason doctors don’t pay to work is because the market is stabilized. The salary reflects the investment in the training and the supply of competent wannabe doctors. The “pilot market” is however as unstable as it can be. Temporary fluctuations in demand for air travel have increased the unemployment ratio and the salaries haven’t decreased the way they should have in a perfect market economy. Eventually they will. Salaries will decrease and/or demand for pilots will increase and/or supply of competent pilots will decrease – until the supply/demand has equalized so there will be no more pilots paying to get a job. In the mean time we have to regulate the market the same way as we regulate the interest rate – not because of moral issues but because of economical ones.
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So far, we've heard that Eagle Jet (and I guess we mean Eagle Jet International in Miami) has been reported to the EU and maybe going bust. Two rumors that have not been substantiated by the authors. PPrune is a "rumor network" so it's a forum open to those who may have ulterior motives in spreading negative rumors about an organization. Without substantiation, the allegations are meaningless much like some of the negative comments levelled against Jamav8r, in particular the vitriolic attacks made by LuikeSkyToddler and others.
To those guys I say tough sh.t !! Get off your lazy ass and just DO IT or do you expect a helping hand from the government? And even if the taxpayer supported your training you'd STILL complain about the poor pay and working conditions. Damn, what a bunch of whiners. I guess it's easier to sit in front of a screen and bitch and moan than do something positive. Oh and by the way, not everybody gets the career they've dreamed of. If so then grow up and move on instead of being bitter and nasty towards those who are trying their best. Pathetic mentalities.
To those guys I say tough sh.t !! Get off your lazy ass and just DO IT or do you expect a helping hand from the government? And even if the taxpayer supported your training you'd STILL complain about the poor pay and working conditions. Damn, what a bunch of whiners. I guess it's easier to sit in front of a screen and bitch and moan than do something positive. Oh and by the way, not everybody gets the career they've dreamed of. If so then grow up and move on instead of being bitter and nasty towards those who are trying their best. Pathetic mentalities.
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Hold on a second FlyLevel. You say that Eagle Jet is wrong because
"..they let people who haven’t been tested fly for airlines.."
Of course people have been tested! Tested for their type ratings and interviewed by the company. Just because your paying for it doesn't mean to say the airline will accept a 400lb ex mental patient. They do have standards. Airline pilots are continually tested, it's part of the job. And I know from a friend who's a TRI and TRE for Astraeus that quite a few current airline pilots coming through for their 737NG upgrade programs are also far below average and THEY weren't the "pay-to-fly-pilots' you referred to.
Another PPruner who doens't like job competition.
"..they let people who haven’t been tested fly for airlines.."
Of course people have been tested! Tested for their type ratings and interviewed by the company. Just because your paying for it doesn't mean to say the airline will accept a 400lb ex mental patient. They do have standards. Airline pilots are continually tested, it's part of the job. And I know from a friend who's a TRI and TRE for Astraeus that quite a few current airline pilots coming through for their 737NG upgrade programs are also far below average and THEY weren't the "pay-to-fly-pilots' you referred to.
Another PPruner who doens't like job competition.
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Originally Posted by cfimei
... some of the negative comments levelled against Jamav8r, in particular the vitriolic attacks made by LuikeSkyToddler and others.
To those guys I say tough sh.t !! Get off your lazy ass and just DO IT or do you expect a helping hand from the government?
To those guys I say tough sh.t !! Get off your lazy ass and just DO IT or do you expect a helping hand from the government?
And even if the taxpayer supported your training you'd STILL complain about the poor pay and working conditions.
Damn, what a bunch of whiners. I guess it's easier to sit in front of a screen and bitch and moan than do something positive. Oh and by the way, not everybody gets the career they've dreamed of. If so then grow up and move on instead of being bitter and nasty towards those who are trying their best. Pathetic mentalities.
So come on then guys, jamav8r we've heard your hard luck story as to why we shouldn't all judge you so harshly because you've tried everything else and this is the only way you could get into aviation. Surely even you can agree that the theory is only going to work, until 100 other jamaican wannabes get the same idea, and then you're all going to have to find something else to buy / an even lower level to lower yourself to, in order to make yourself stand out from the pack?
Cfimei all that you really have offered the debate so far is vague accusations of ulterior motives, negativity and unfounded bitterness towards myself, OK you're entitled to think whatever you want about me personally, I don't give a rat's @rse, but I'd like to hear you actually rebuff my specific concerns about these schemes.
Specifically then, can any of you apologists for Eaglejet, offer a single rationed and reasonable argument, as to why the continued proliferation of these kinds of companies and these schemes, could lead to anything but the utter destruction of commercial piloting as a viable career path?
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I also don't like the idea of paying for your type rating and paying to get those precious jet hours as not everyone can afford it. But seriously, I think we are not being fair to Jamav8r as he is not the only one who is about to, or has done it. If this trend has already started, and I am sure it has, It is already too late to stop it. Even if Eagle Jet closes, another one would only take it's place in one form or another.... believe me. There is already one planned in Indonesia with pilots bearing JAA licenses queing up.
Face it guys, the only thing permanent in this world is the word "CHANGE".
Everything evolves from something. I know most of you guys are already set in your ways of thinking of getting into the airline pilot's job, but we have to realize that the whole aviation industry is changing rapidly and it might be for the worse sad to say. Unfortunately, the word "security of tenure" in the airline pilot's job will be compromised more that this thing is already starting.
We must find a way of protecting it in some other way as the growing number of newbies climbing up the ladder and paying for it will be hard to stop.
I reckon you guys already sitting inside Boeings and Airbuses and others need to put your heads together and plan a strategy to protect your interests inside your respective airlines. There is no other way. I don't know how but if there is a will there is a way. So instead of trying to stop the tidal wave namely "Pay-to-fly", get to your solicitors and lawyers to work out a strategy for you to protect your income and job and future type ratings.
Just another sign - I looked at a website of a renowned middle eastern airline and I was shocked when I read that they required a prospective B747 captain to give a bank guarantee so he can be given a type rating on an Airbus. Isn't this almost have the same essence as paying for your type rating ?
Unfortunately there is another one that you might want to consider. The law of supply and demand. As more pilots comes up the ladder, the lower the pay will go.
Face it guys, were screwed....Geeezzzz.......
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Face it guys, the only thing permanent in this world is the word "CHANGE".
Everything evolves from something. I know most of you guys are already set in your ways of thinking of getting into the airline pilot's job, but we have to realize that the whole aviation industry is changing rapidly and it might be for the worse sad to say. Unfortunately, the word "security of tenure" in the airline pilot's job will be compromised more that this thing is already starting.
We must find a way of protecting it in some other way as the growing number of newbies climbing up the ladder and paying for it will be hard to stop.
I reckon you guys already sitting inside Boeings and Airbuses and others need to put your heads together and plan a strategy to protect your interests inside your respective airlines. There is no other way. I don't know how but if there is a will there is a way. So instead of trying to stop the tidal wave namely "Pay-to-fly", get to your solicitors and lawyers to work out a strategy for you to protect your income and job and future type ratings.
Just another sign - I looked at a website of a renowned middle eastern airline and I was shocked when I read that they required a prospective B747 captain to give a bank guarantee so he can be given a type rating on an Airbus. Isn't this almost have the same essence as paying for your type rating ?
Unfortunately there is another one that you might want to consider. The law of supply and demand. As more pilots comes up the ladder, the lower the pay will go.
Face it guys, were screwed....Geeezzzz.......
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Bankrupt? How ?
I am wondering why/how eagaljet would go bankrupt, given that all they do is take a commission for their ‘service’ and act as an agent between pilot and airline?
Surely they would have minimal overheads and expenses. I can see that they would make no money if they had no clients – however as they have no assets to maintain (other than perhaps an office and computers) they would have few out going expenses (maybe just wages?) and not much was of accumulating large amount of debt?
How could the possible loose so much money that they would need to go bankrupt?
Surely they would have minimal overheads and expenses. I can see that they would make no money if they had no clients – however as they have no assets to maintain (other than perhaps an office and computers) they would have few out going expenses (maybe just wages?) and not much was of accumulating large amount of debt?
How could the possible loose so much money that they would need to go bankrupt?
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Originally Posted by zakpeegoodus
How could the possible loose so much money that they would need to go bankrupt?