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Old 9th Jun 2020, 14:42
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you can’t apply via CAE anymore.

the Ryanair careers site is the only place you can apply and the bond payment is now €10k.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 14:52
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I wonder if it has something to do with the hundreds of RYR guys currently being made redundant? Just a thought... 🤔
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 15:02
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No, applications don't go through CAE since maybe March
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 15:17
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Good luck trying to compete with thousands (I estimate 6000 in UK/Eire) of qualified 737/A320/330/380/777/787 pilots against your 250hrs and no rating.
Our profession is being slaughtered, nobody will recruit to those levels in a while, be realistic guys. Get a job to ensure you have money to keep licenses current, best advice I can give.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 16:05
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Originally Posted by Pilot2/b View Post
I wonder if it has something to do with the hundreds of RYR guys currently being made redundant? Just a thought... 🤔
The training department in and of itself is a major source of revenue. I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if self-funded type ratings take off in a month or two, as was the case a couple of years ago. After all, would you refuse some meager €29,500 which someone happily gives you for using some training capacity that would have been idling otherwise? And what they will get in return is the good old zero-hour contract - and RYR can afford to hand out as many of those as they want since they put the company under no obligation for fixed monthly payouts or a minimum number of hours to be provided for each one of those pilots. It doesn't matter whether one pilot does 90 hours or 10 pilots do 9 hours each. It would cost the company the same.

To me, that sounds like a really logical next step for RYR. There will never, ever be a shortage of 200-hour chaps who would happily part with a bag of cash for the chance of putting on that shiny uniform, even if it means no guaranteed income and severely culled earning potential for some time to come.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 21:33
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Sounds like denial to me, pink unicorns with all due respect. The cadet scheme is now bonded without the full upfront payment option, as you may have read here. If they reverse the scheme, then it may make sense, however, I believe the training capacity they have will be focused on those in their training college already.

Entering the scheme now could also see you sit on a pool for a while before you even see the dirty jet(they are filthy) and put that cheap quality uniform.

There is also the legal aspect of making employees redundant then hire replacements within a year, in the UK is ilegal. I believe the government made a point about business taking the Job retention scheme money, than making people redundant. Would be even worse taking the money, making the redundancies whilst still recruiting cadets. Ryanair accepted a substantial financial support from the UK government.

If the European market picks up faster than predicted, OCC’s are cheaper and faster to run and pilots require a handful of sectors whilst a cadet needs a minimum of 64.

Emirates fired 1/4 of it’s pilots today with more to come(update on my previous post, it’s actually 950 as of now). Many of them have 737 ratings as many came from Ryanair, Norwegian, Fly dubai etc.

Honestly, you guys have to be measured and make decisions with a lot of consideration, again, it’s sound advice and it’s free!
You lot are in denial.

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Old 10th Jun 2020, 05:14
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If they reverse the scheme, then it may make sense​​​​​​
That's what I originally wanted to put across. I can't see the cadet scheme continuing in its present format for quite a while - however, that doesn't mean that there will be no type ratings. The sim centre is a big cash cow in itself. It will likely just be a fund-yourself affair, with some bogus agency contract in the end of it, saying that you MAY be offered work with RYR on-demand as part of a contractor pool. It doesn't contradict the fact that RYR employees were made redundant because those with agency contracts will not be RYR employees.

It's a way of making money - and a truly big one. Only giving RYR the second place in the "Pay an arm and a leg for a 737 type rating" department (with the first one being held by a certain company on the other end of Europe, charging €35,000 for it). So, I think that it would be denial to think that they will not avail of this. If that became the case and I was an applicant, I wouldn't be worried about the assessment and the course. I would be worried about being assigned enough work to pay the bills for the month.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:23
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Some people have gone off on meltdown..

I was just trying to work out if RYR no longer do type ratings via CAE? Have they parted ways? Any application that was with CAE no longer exists?
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:30
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As far as I'm aware, they parted ways with CAE just before COVID. The new provider is Airline Flight Academy. If you had an application with CAE then it would have been transferred to the new organisation.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 16:24
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It is possible to send an application to AFA nowadays, or is closed at the moment, if so, any idea when they will start doing the interviews ?
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 17:00
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It's possible to apply for the cadet talent pool or for the type-rated pilot talent pool. However, it's anyone's question when can this possibly lead to an interview and maybe even a job in the end of it. My personal bet is not before 2021.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 10:09
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2021!!! Jesus that’s optimistic! We are looking at about 1/4 to 1/3rd of all airline pilot jobs in Europe becoming redundant. Sadly there will be 10s of thousands of experienced and type-rated pilots ahead of you in the queue. And europe has a very young pilot age group overall so there is no “retirement wave” due which will save us.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 11:03
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Type ratings in themselves are a massive source of revenue for RYR. €29,500 is a lot more than the self-worth of the course and the training department is alleged to generate a couple of milion euro of revenue every year. Moreover, low-hour pilots are on a lower payscale. So, I wouldn't be so certain that in the coming years only experienced pilots will be recruited. Someone needs to feed that training department by "buying the dream" for some mere €29,500 and a contract with 0 guaranteed hours, 12 guaranteed hours or anything in between afterwards. Whoever can afford it can quite realistically have some chance within the next year.
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Old 2nd Jul 2020, 07:47
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The amount of inaccurate and false info on your post.....
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Old 3rd Jul 2020, 17:13
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As Ryanair will determine the ‘revised’ T&Cs of returning contract pilots who will require minimal retraining, followed by testing. Minimum supervised line training then follows; why take on new cadets if there is a rapid need to meet demand and get “flight deck bums on seats”?
And not to mention cabin crew, engineers and other support staff.
This is the “V” shaped recovery we are all hoping for.
The “L” shape recovery might result in a different response.

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Old 7th Jul 2020, 19:43
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So I had a look on the FR pilot recruitment page, just out of curiosity as to any changes... and the statement about the €10,000 bond is nowhere to be seen...
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 22:55
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In the current situation of severely reduced demand even for the cheapest of flights and lots of unemployed 737 drivers out there and with a company where the "cash is king" mantra has been done to death ever since, I would be absolutely amazed if any company cash would be invested into training someone. Rated or self-funded sound far more practical. A training bond is a good thing for an airline under a completely different set of circumstances, namely when many candidates are required (and some of them are perfectly capable but not in a position to pay for the type rating out of their own pocket) and when pilot retention is a problem (and that won't be the case for some time as well since there won't be too many better alternatives available). In this situation, funding anyone's training is an unnecessary burden and damage to the liquidity of the company. Why pay for someone's type rating if you can either get a rated pilot or one who's able to self-fund the course? So, whenever recruitment starts, it would be safer to expect more of a pre-2015 arrangement than a 2018-style one.
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