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to the clown
you're not exactly mr current affairs on this thread are you? if you've read the thing properly you would have seen that i mention that ba have raised their retirement age about three days ago.
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Even less excuse for getting the retirement age wrong. Have you any answers to any of the points I made? I make them in all seriousness, and if you have further information it would be useful to some people here.
Even less excuse for getting the retirement age wrong. Have you any answers to any of the points I made? I make them in all seriousness, and if you have further information it would be useful to some people here.
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I agree with something you said in your opening post.
"it seems more about the right type of person than ur type of training that you did."
Good basic training is important but your personality is what will grant you access to, or bar you from, an airline career. Everything you have posted since has been somewhat questionable in tone and content. The way you portray yourself with your posts does you no favours. Put it this way, at the moment I wouldn't want to share a cockpit with you.
You have recieved input from several people on this thread who have a wide range of experience in pilot training and flying for airlines. I don't have a great deal of experience so feel free to take this as you wish, but trust me that you would do well to listen to the likes of Scroggs and Send Clowns. Decent advice is hard to come by and pprune is one of the few places you get decent, independant, non-comercially driven advice for free. It will be to your advantage if you listen to them, it certainly helped me.
Good luck with your plans for the future.
I agree with something you said in your opening post.
"it seems more about the right type of person than ur type of training that you did."
Good basic training is important but your personality is what will grant you access to, or bar you from, an airline career. Everything you have posted since has been somewhat questionable in tone and content. The way you portray yourself with your posts does you no favours. Put it this way, at the moment I wouldn't want to share a cockpit with you.
You have recieved input from several people on this thread who have a wide range of experience in pilot training and flying for airlines. I don't have a great deal of experience so feel free to take this as you wish, but trust me that you would do well to listen to the likes of Scroggs and Send Clowns. Decent advice is hard to come by and pprune is one of the few places you get decent, independant, non-comercially driven advice for free. It will be to your advantage if you listen to them, it certainly helped me.
Good luck with your plans for the future.
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You need to take it easy there buddy. Your gonna blow an o-ring or something. Why do hate the world so much?
Well you've gone out of your way to prove that you know a very small amount about this industry so I thought I'd give you a piece of advice, listen to your uncle by all means but don't solely rely on what you have clearly stated as his opinion.
This is by no means a dig at your unlce but his opinions up till now have not been anywhere near the facts.
Not true......... Major carriers are participating in selection from the MODULAR course I am trying to get through and one which provides pilots to your uncles carrier!
Before I leave though I must thank you in helping gain information about how not to act in my interview on Tuesday. It's always nice to learn something from your peers as these old guys have there fingers way off the pulse
That one got me going - I'm still laughing. If that's how you inform people of a trivial mistake it wont matter if your from Dublin and your uncle works for Aer Lingus your gonna need more than the luck of the Irish to change that attitude. And thank god BA have put up the retirement age coz it will probaly take you that long to get a command. This is of course just my opinion which I consider "reliable and reasonably good" !!
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Well you've gone out of your way to prove that you know a very small amount about this industry so I thought I'd give you a piece of advice, listen to your uncle by all means but don't solely rely on what you have clearly stated as his opinion.
he has a reasonable good and reliable opinion
go integrated with one of the good schools basically if i have any aspirations of getting a job with one of the major carriers
Before I leave though I must thank you in helping gain information about how not to act in my interview on Tuesday. It's always nice to learn something from your peers as these old guys have there fingers way off the pulse
you're not exactly mr current affairs on this thread are you?
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My God, how I've laughed at this thread. You remind me of the joke about the young bull and the old bull stood on top of the hill looking down at a hurd of cows.
The young bull says, "hey, lets run down the hill and shag one of those cows"
And the old bull says, " no son lets walk down the hill and shag all of the cows"
You need to calm down.
I really feel sorry for you. You'll get on your big shinny jet and have absolutely no idea how to fly an aeroplane.
You come and spend a day flying with me in my airline. Single crew, no automatics, discusting weather, no heating,leaky doors and windows, smelly passangers, and you'll know what flyings all about. Hopefully it'll put you off aviation for good and save all us old duffers(I'm 37) from ever having the misfortune of having to sit next to you.
It's a service and sacrifice I'm prepared to make for the sake of my fellow adult aviators.
Oh and I absolutely love my job. am I ambitious? sure I am. I was a factory worker 6 years ago and now I'm Base Captain and Senior Training Captain. Checked out our Chief last week. He owes me beer now(and he gets the fat one)
Why dont you get your burgan on and hitch hike around the world for a couple of years and learn some humility,empathy, and something of life. Might just get you through that interview one day.
Scroggs
I have always read you posts with interest over the years and I've not said it before but, thank you, you have made some exellent comments, given good advice and given a lot of your time in encouraging others to stick at it. I did and I made it, in my own little way.
Now where's the bottle opener, still got 2 left.....................
RIPA Plotlet.
My God, how I've laughed at this thread. You remind me of the joke about the young bull and the old bull stood on top of the hill looking down at a hurd of cows.
The young bull says, "hey, lets run down the hill and shag one of those cows"
And the old bull says, " no son lets walk down the hill and shag all of the cows"
You need to calm down.
I really feel sorry for you. You'll get on your big shinny jet and have absolutely no idea how to fly an aeroplane.
You come and spend a day flying with me in my airline. Single crew, no automatics, discusting weather, no heating,leaky doors and windows, smelly passangers, and you'll know what flyings all about. Hopefully it'll put you off aviation for good and save all us old duffers(I'm 37) from ever having the misfortune of having to sit next to you.
It's a service and sacrifice I'm prepared to make for the sake of my fellow adult aviators.
Oh and I absolutely love my job. am I ambitious? sure I am. I was a factory worker 6 years ago and now I'm Base Captain and Senior Training Captain. Checked out our Chief last week. He owes me beer now(and he gets the fat one)
Why dont you get your burgan on and hitch hike around the world for a couple of years and learn some humility,empathy, and something of life. Might just get you through that interview one day.
Scroggs
I have always read you posts with interest over the years and I've not said it before but, thank you, you have made some exellent comments, given good advice and given a lot of your time in encouraging others to stick at it. I did and I made it, in my own little way.
Now where's the bottle opener, still got 2 left.....................
RIPA Plotlet.
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If GAPAN is so useless with it's survey, why don't people suggest some of their own on this thread, and i'll cough up the 27p to send them out to as many airlines as I can think of, and then report on results (if I get any)
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I wouldnt say the survey is useless, it just has a few problems
1) its 3 years old [thus needs updating]
2) it only represents 7 out of like 50 uk airlines [needs a bigger sample]
3) if you read it carefully it comes across as being specifically aimed at young wannabes - ie facts you should consider if you are aged 16-22 ish [comments like; you should consider doing your training as soon as possible once out of school]
4) finally, that it's been done by GAPAN and EPST, in some peoples eyes seems to make this think that its all totally gospel true; [authority of knowledge & position]
as previously stated, dont bother with a survey, use your 27p for a phonecall to the head of Xairline recruitment and ask them directly your questions about what they as an airline culture are looking for. Its a very grey area all of this, so i dont think a questionaire of a yes or no fashion could ever be truly representative.
1) its 3 years old [thus needs updating]
2) it only represents 7 out of like 50 uk airlines [needs a bigger sample]
3) if you read it carefully it comes across as being specifically aimed at young wannabes - ie facts you should consider if you are aged 16-22 ish [comments like; you should consider doing your training as soon as possible once out of school]
4) finally, that it's been done by GAPAN and EPST, in some peoples eyes seems to make this think that its all totally gospel true; [authority of knowledge & position]
as previously stated, dont bother with a survey, use your 27p for a phonecall to the head of Xairline recruitment and ask them directly your questions about what they as an airline culture are looking for. Its a very grey area all of this, so i dont think a questionaire of a yes or no fashion could ever be truly representative.
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35? too old? Never
hello from germany, this sounds good, Im still looking for my first job, there is nothing! But I never give up, in summer I start a TR,
Originally Posted by EGBKFLYER
Cheevere,
As you will no doubt be aware, with your extensive knowledge of airline recruitment practices
, networking is a skill to be developed by any wannabe - i.e. be careful who you flame!
42 is not 'well too old' - I know two people personally who were employed at this age or older as a first job. One is currently flying a 747, six years after getting his CPL at the age of 40...
Your other 'facts' can also be comprehensively disproved with a little careful research.
HWD - 'Mrz' = Marz. GAPAN obviously have a German calendar machine thingy...
As you will no doubt be aware, with your extensive knowledge of airline recruitment practices
, networking is a skill to be developed by any wannabe - i.e. be careful who you flame!42 is not 'well too old' - I know two people personally who were employed at this age or older as a first job. One is currently flying a 747, six years after getting his CPL at the age of 40...
Your other 'facts' can also be comprehensively disproved with a little careful research.
HWD - 'Mrz' = Marz. GAPAN obviously have a German calendar machine thingy...
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PERSONALITY
[QUOTE=flyingbug]Cheevere,
bang on.
Most airlines look at the personality of the candidates first and not how/where they obtained their licence. A commonly quoted yardstick is "would you be prepared to sit next to this pilot for 8 hours on a flight deck?"
If the above is true then why do i meet lairline captains who say 'i would really like to sit next to you on the flight deck and cannot understand where we get the F/O's at the moment'.
I hear this more and more. Please do not shoot me down in a ball of flames for ther next comment; I have never had anyone complain about my personality, attitude, sense of humour (well, that can be a little flambouyant at times). Unfortunately, with HR recruiting and not pilots, we never get to the personality stage because we have to go through verbal, mathematical, sexual reasoning tests. If you pass those you can fly a plane and everyone you work with will be enriched by your company and personal attributes.
If not, you are a waster who should arrange your own crucifiction on the first available saturday (more spectators due to normal working week)
The problem is, the whole process is totally sterile before you get to the 'lets meet them and see what he/she is like'.
Why can't we be asked 1. Do you wash on a regular basis and 2. Do you love your mother.
Surely if the above two answers are yes, then you are not a bad individual.
If you can fly and aeroplane that is good as well.
It seems, only from what i hear, that if all the above answers to the above are NO, then you are given a start date on whatever aircraft you want in the fleet.
Sounds a little bitter, but it's still early in the morning for me.
JTK
bang on.
Most airlines look at the personality of the candidates first and not how/where they obtained their licence. A commonly quoted yardstick is "would you be prepared to sit next to this pilot for 8 hours on a flight deck?"
If the above is true then why do i meet lairline captains who say 'i would really like to sit next to you on the flight deck and cannot understand where we get the F/O's at the moment'.
I hear this more and more. Please do not shoot me down in a ball of flames for ther next comment; I have never had anyone complain about my personality, attitude, sense of humour (well, that can be a little flambouyant at times). Unfortunately, with HR recruiting and not pilots, we never get to the personality stage because we have to go through verbal, mathematical, sexual reasoning tests. If you pass those you can fly a plane and everyone you work with will be enriched by your company and personal attributes.
If not, you are a waster who should arrange your own crucifiction on the first available saturday (more spectators due to normal working week)
The problem is, the whole process is totally sterile before you get to the 'lets meet them and see what he/she is like'.
Why can't we be asked 1. Do you wash on a regular basis and 2. Do you love your mother.
Surely if the above two answers are yes, then you are not a bad individual.
If you can fly and aeroplane that is good as well.
It seems, only from what i hear, that if all the above answers to the above are NO, then you are given a start date on whatever aircraft you want in the fleet.
Sounds a little bitter, but it's still early in the morning for me.
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My airline recruits a cross section of backgrounds onto 737/757s. This includes modular 250hr guys. Yes it is a little harder to get called for a selection with those hours and they tend to be favouring the CTC route, but CTC place modular 250hr cadets into many UK jet operators.
It all comes down to supply and demand. I read this survey when it first appeared and didn't agree with its findings then. I agree even less now. The few airlines that responded gave an indication of their idealised preferences, not what they will, and do actually accept. The market has changed since this report was published and there are many more jobs available and fewer quality candidates on the market. It's purely a numbers game. The average experience level of a Wannabe has dropped significantly and the airlines have had to lower their rose tinted recruitment spectacles somewhat already. The one thing that is guaranteed is that airlines won't allow aircraft to sit around idle for long due to not being able to recruit pilots.
It's all happened before and if the market continues expanding unabated then we will see experience requirements drop further and entry age requirements quietly increase.
PP
It all comes down to supply and demand. I read this survey when it first appeared and didn't agree with its findings then. I agree even less now. The few airlines that responded gave an indication of their idealised preferences, not what they will, and do actually accept. The market has changed since this report was published and there are many more jobs available and fewer quality candidates on the market. It's purely a numbers game. The average experience level of a Wannabe has dropped significantly and the airlines have had to lower their rose tinted recruitment spectacles somewhat already. The one thing that is guaranteed is that airlines won't allow aircraft to sit around idle for long due to not being able to recruit pilots.
It's all happened before and if the market continues expanding unabated then we will see experience requirements drop further and entry age requirements quietly increase.
PP
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Originally Posted by Pilot Pete
My airline recruits a cross section of backgrounds onto 737/757s. This includes modular 250hr guys.
Actually, things are looking a LOT more positive than the survey suggests. I was obviously having a bad week when I last posted...
Regards,
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Hi everyone!
I'm new, just about to start the ATPL haha and go for the big job, however I'm 37 next birthday and I know what I'm up against, do you think I shold get the instructors rating along the way, will it be of any advantage???
Cheers
I'm new, just about to start the ATPL haha and go for the big job, however I'm 37 next birthday and I know what I'm up against, do you think I shold get the instructors rating along the way, will it be of any advantage???
Cheers
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Greetings,
BA is recruiting heavily, I have read that they only take
integrated guys, is that right?
Why not modular?
I don't see any differences in the long term !!!
For me that's discrimination...
I am experienced but from a modular background.
Happy flying,
N.
BA is recruiting heavily, I have read that they only take
integrated guys, is that right?
Why not modular?
I don't see any differences in the long term !!!
For me that's discrimination...
I am experienced but from a modular background.
Happy flying,
N.
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BA do recruit ex-modular students. However, when they recruit low hour guys (~220hrs) they have to come straight out of an integrated school only.
If you are ex-modular and want to join BA you need;
(if not type rated, for shorthaul)
ATPL(F) with 750hours recent experience on a turbojet/turboprop transport category aeroplane with a MTOM greater than 10 tonnes or an approved passenger seating config of no less than 20
(if not type rated, for longhaul)
ATPL min 2000hrs total with min 1000hrs on a jet with MTOM >25T
(if type rated)
ATPL(F) 500hrs recent experience on A320, 737/757/767
or Longhaul 747/777 500hrs ATPL
If you read FLIGHT you will have seen BA advertising this for the last few months!
If you are ex-modular and want to join BA you need;
(if not type rated, for shorthaul)
ATPL(F) with 750hours recent experience on a turbojet/turboprop transport category aeroplane with a MTOM greater than 10 tonnes or an approved passenger seating config of no less than 20
(if not type rated, for longhaul)
ATPL min 2000hrs total with min 1000hrs on a jet with MTOM >25T
(if type rated)
ATPL(F) 500hrs recent experience on A320, 737/757/767
or Longhaul 747/777 500hrs ATPL
If you read FLIGHT you will have seen BA advertising this for the last few months!
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Keeping current
Is there any jobs for multi ir low hour pilots on light twins?? Looking at the time scale for getting a right seat seem to be average one year after the multi/mcc, so instructing or using the multi ir seems to be the only thing to do to keep current, anyone have any light to shed????
All replys welcome
All replys welcome
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Thanks aerospace 101 for your quick answer !!!
Last year I received a thanks but no thanks letter for no apparent reason.
I reapply just 2 weeks ago.
I know quite a lot of guys from my ex and present company who got
interviewed...
Maybe there is something I don't have or else...
Anyway thanks !
N.
Last year I received a thanks but no thanks letter for no apparent reason.
I reapply just 2 weeks ago.
I know quite a lot of guys from my ex and present company who got
interviewed...
Maybe there is something I don't have or else...
Anyway thanks !
N.