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Lee,
Dont know what your background is, but there can be ways into aviation without debt.. Schemes such as Air Atlantique or Highland airways both offer cadet schemes, where you are not expected to lay out any money, meaning you are bonded, which is no bad thing, you get training, paid while you do it, and guaranteed a job if successful.. although these are few and far between with certain criteria to fill, its worth a go!
many think that the airline pilot goes straight to a big plane, which would be nice i guess.. but there are jobs out there for the CPL/IR who want to build hours while looking for the illusive airline job!
Hope this helps.
B
Dont know what your background is, but there can be ways into aviation without debt.. Schemes such as Air Atlantique or Highland airways both offer cadet schemes, where you are not expected to lay out any money, meaning you are bonded, which is no bad thing, you get training, paid while you do it, and guaranteed a job if successful.. although these are few and far between with certain criteria to fill, its worth a go!
many think that the airline pilot goes straight to a big plane, which would be nice i guess.. but there are jobs out there for the CPL/IR who want to build hours while looking for the illusive airline job!
Hope this helps.
B
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Lee,
Having spent the last 3 years waiting for the elusive sponsorship, whilst working at the airport in the mean time, and having spent the same time visiting all the major schools, the following is what I feel is the case today.
Your best bet is not to waist any time after completing A levels or uni and get talking with/visiting the schools and find out which school and route (Modular of Integrated) suits you best. It tends to be the case in this day and age that airlines will visit the school, talk to the FI's and find out who the top bods are. There are usually some students who are then interviewed and some, depending on airline requirements, are offered jobs, help with type rating funding, or just the promise of an interview if they score well at the end of the process. Other 'ivy league' schools, such as OAT and Jerez, are in constant contact with airlines and inviting them to the schools to conduct interviews etc with students. Again there are always schemes such as BACX that look promising, but you still have to stump up the full amount and there is no promise of a job at the end of the course.
Having spoken to many frozen ATPL types currently doing 737 efis type ratings the message is go integrated, especially at schools where the main raison d'etre of the school is integrated training. The reaon for this is that modular fills the gaps in class rooms and training hours available. As a result some students feel they are treated like second class citizens by the schools. I believe the CTC scheme with EZY/TCX still exists and as that scheme (whilst heavily subscribed) offers a 'bonding' arrangement after training, I would give that serious thought.
Ciao for now.
Having spent the last 3 years waiting for the elusive sponsorship, whilst working at the airport in the mean time, and having spent the same time visiting all the major schools, the following is what I feel is the case today.
Your best bet is not to waist any time after completing A levels or uni and get talking with/visiting the schools and find out which school and route (Modular of Integrated) suits you best. It tends to be the case in this day and age that airlines will visit the school, talk to the FI's and find out who the top bods are. There are usually some students who are then interviewed and some, depending on airline requirements, are offered jobs, help with type rating funding, or just the promise of an interview if they score well at the end of the process. Other 'ivy league' schools, such as OAT and Jerez, are in constant contact with airlines and inviting them to the schools to conduct interviews etc with students. Again there are always schemes such as BACX that look promising, but you still have to stump up the full amount and there is no promise of a job at the end of the course.
Having spoken to many frozen ATPL types currently doing 737 efis type ratings the message is go integrated, especially at schools where the main raison d'etre of the school is integrated training. The reaon for this is that modular fills the gaps in class rooms and training hours available. As a result some students feel they are treated like second class citizens by the schools. I believe the CTC scheme with EZY/TCX still exists and as that scheme (whilst heavily subscribed) offers a 'bonding' arrangement after training, I would give that serious thought.
Ciao for now.
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Lee,
The CTC Wings Cadet scheme is alive and well and Id recommend you look at www.ctcaviation.com/wings
Any questions, gimmie a shout
M330
The CTC Wings Cadet scheme is alive and well and Id recommend you look at www.ctcaviation.com/wings
Any questions, gimmie a shout
M330
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Lee
Good to hear from a youngster in this day and age, most are not interested in the field of work. There should be plenty of jobs in the field of work available, try the Golden Arches.
as i am very interested in the field of work.
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hey to people with knowledge out there
i am 15 and currently looking for future sponsership to be a pilot yet i have had very little success. i don't quite understand how the whole system works with the sponsorship from airlines ect and i am wondering if youall could possibly help me request future sponsoship by teeling me how to do so.
i am very greatfull
i am 15 and currently looking for future sponsership to be a pilot yet i have had very little success. i don't quite understand how the whole system works with the sponsorship from airlines ect and i am wondering if youall could possibly help me request future sponsoship by teeling me how to do so.
i am very greatfull
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hi, I'm the same age as you and came onto Pprune with exactly the same questions as you. It didn't take me long to realise that it takes a lot to be accepted onto sponsorship schemes and the chance doesn't just jump into everyone young wannabe pilot's lap - you need very good GCSE and A level grades (if you're in UK) as well as loads more - but even with those things it's still VERY difficult to get onto these sponsorship schemes. I'm not trying to put you off at all, I would still love to be an airline pilot, the same as you do. Sponsorship does always seem to be immediately the best option, but often it isn't. Sometimes you'll go through the training, often around 2 years long I think, with no job at the end of it. Even if you do get a job with the airline straight away you still have to pay back the full cost of training, plus more - it isn't as 'free' as some people will want you to think. You will also be stuck with that airline whether you like it or not for up to 7 years, not a nice thing to have in your contract if you hate working there. Another thing is that there are very few companies doing sponsorship at the moment so there are thousands of applicants for maybe 100-200 places.
Sponsorships can be the best, easiest way to get into airline flying but there are a lot of drawbacks that people don't notice, or don't want to notice, when they first look into the idea.
What I have decided on though, is to get my licences (PPL, CPL and whatever else I might need) at my own pace while working at something other than flying, then get a job instructing, air taxis, sightseeing flights, anything, there are A LOT of jobs for pilots other than at airlines. Then once I have enough hours/experience/licences I'll apply for jobs at airlines *IF* I'm not enjoying my other flying job or if I still see airline flying as a better prospect than the one I have then.
Reading through this it does look like I'm a miserable goon who just wants to run down everyone's hopes, I'm not, its just that by reading other threads on this site that I would probably be better off taking another flying job when qualified while building up experience to take that airline job I eventually want. I believe 'direct entry' pilots are much better off in the long run than those taking the sponsorships.
Hope that helps.
Sponsorships can be the best, easiest way to get into airline flying but there are a lot of drawbacks that people don't notice, or don't want to notice, when they first look into the idea.
What I have decided on though, is to get my licences (PPL, CPL and whatever else I might need) at my own pace while working at something other than flying, then get a job instructing, air taxis, sightseeing flights, anything, there are A LOT of jobs for pilots other than at airlines. Then once I have enough hours/experience/licences I'll apply for jobs at airlines *IF* I'm not enjoying my other flying job or if I still see airline flying as a better prospect than the one I have then.
Reading through this it does look like I'm a miserable goon who just wants to run down everyone's hopes, I'm not, its just that by reading other threads on this site that I would probably be better off taking another flying job when qualified while building up experience to take that airline job I eventually want. I believe 'direct entry' pilots are much better off in the long run than those taking the sponsorships.
Hope that helps.
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Gotta Hope that has to be one of the most mature, well thought out posts I have seen from a wannabee in a long long time. From a 15 year old to boot (that is not meant to sound patronising!). You deserve a lot of luck
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thanx a lot GOTTA HOPE uhave made me look at it in a different perspective. i currently go to boarding school and my predictied grades range from an A* to B my main subject being maths and i often go for flying lessons in a grub so far about 3hours woulgn't that count for any thing and what are the prices for these licences ect
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Chaps, I'm sorry to tell you that there are currently NO sponsorships, in the sense that someone else pays for your training. There are assisted schemes, where costs are paid by a pre-arranged bank loan in your name (which you have to repay), and there are a few partial sponsorships, where a (small) proportion of the costs are borne by an airline. And then there is the system that most people use: they find the money themselves.
Sponsorships have gone, at least in UK. They are unlikely to return in numbers of any significance.
Scroggs
Sponsorships have gone, at least in UK. They are unlikely to return in numbers of any significance.
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Yeah Gotta hope, respect to you young sir.
Basicaly, i do subjects which i am good at, chemistry, biology, psychology, mathematics and physics. However, if i were to get 5 streight A's - then nobody would take a glance at my O level results.
Wait untill you are into college untill you start to stress yourself out with all these 'looking for sponsorship' ideas, as in my opinion, these ideas will become a burden.
If you contact companies saying that you are still in school - they will probably just fob you off with some 'try applying in 2 or 3 years time' rubbish, just the way life is.
Basicaly, i do subjects which i am good at, chemistry, biology, psychology, mathematics and physics. However, if i were to get 5 streight A's - then nobody would take a glance at my O level results.
Wait untill you are into college untill you start to stress yourself out with all these 'looking for sponsorship' ideas, as in my opinion, these ideas will become a burden.
If you contact companies saying that you are still in school - they will probably just fob you off with some 'try applying in 2 or 3 years time' rubbish, just the way life is.
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As for the cost of the licenses, for a PPL, what £5-6000?
minimum 45 hours flying, so you are 6.6666666666666666666666666666667% there!
The only GCSE grades which will be looked at (if you dont do the subjects to A level) will be physics, mathematics and english lang. probably minimum of BBC.
There is a university course which is 3or4 years in length, which takes the student from 0 hours to CPL/IR (fATPL), have a search, its on here somewhere. Enterance requirements are like CC (which is easy peasy!!!)
minimum 45 hours flying, so you are 6.6666666666666666666666666666667% there!
The only GCSE grades which will be looked at (if you dont do the subjects to A level) will be physics, mathematics and english lang. probably minimum of BBC.
There is a university course which is 3or4
years in length, which takes the student from 0 hours to CPL/IR (fATPL), have a search, its on here somewhere. Enterance requirements are like CC (which is easy peasy!!!)
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Forget good grades !
Don't listen to these guys who tell you, you need good grades to become a pilot. I failed maths in my final exams in school and never did physics !! I trained at OAT and passed all my exams there. I am now a Captin of an Airbus 321 with over 8000 flying hours ! All i will say follow your dream and you will find some way of paying for your training !
Good luck
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Originally Posted by smith
Is there no way you can make it a "sticky" that sponsorships are few and far between. Posts about sponsorships are getting rather annoying now, especially when you are a self sponsored student. Do these sponsorhip haggs really expect us self sponsored wannabes to tell them how to jump the queue in front of us? ....... I DONT THINK SO!!!!
Make it a sticky ...... NOW!!!!
Make it a sticky ...... NOW!!!!
Yes got the letter thiss morning, I passed and am through to the next stage of selection.
After your recent comment about Moderators on the OBA thread, you are treading a fine line. Don't push it.
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Originally Posted by bennyboi75
i am 15 and currently looking for ....
good luck though
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Captain Mick; your advice is pathetic.
Naturally in order to be selected and qualify for an airlines' cadetship/sponsorship scheme you need good/excellent grades and health and fitness.
For someone who is 15/16; it is imperative to focus on your priorities being school; and getting good grades. Simultaneously; get yourself involved as much as you can. I was a school vice-captain at my school. You need to show leadership qualities. In such a highly competitive process; every point counts; palpably; so getting good grades is important. Although; those alone will def not guarantee you a place on a cadet program. There not looking for rocket scientists; just highly motivated people who have got the brains; and are willing to have a beer at the end of the day. At the end of the day; its those that want it the most that get it.
I dont suppose you got into a cadetship did you.
Your advice; considering you have 8000hrs under your belt; might not be the most precise and relevant. Things continually change; today it is even more competitive than 10 yrs ago; hence it is wise to talk to people who have recently done the training program; and made it through.
For those aspiring youngsters; aviation is a competitive industry; dont believe everything you hear. From posts I've read; you can tell there lots of shannanigans around.
cheers
Naturally in order to be selected and qualify for an airlines' cadetship/sponsorship scheme you need good/excellent grades and health and fitness.
For someone who is 15/16; it is imperative to focus on your priorities being school; and getting good grades. Simultaneously; get yourself involved as much as you can. I was a school vice-captain at my school. You need to show leadership qualities. In such a highly competitive process; every point counts; palpably; so getting good grades is important. Although; those alone will def not guarantee you a place on a cadet program. There not looking for rocket scientists; just highly motivated people who have got the brains; and are willing to have a beer at the end of the day. At the end of the day; its those that want it the most that get it.
I dont suppose you got into a cadetship did you.
Your advice; considering you have 8000hrs under your belt; might not be the most precise and relevant. Things continually change; today it is even more competitive than 10 yrs ago; hence it is wise to talk to people who have recently done the training program; and made it through. For those aspiring youngsters; aviation is a competitive industry; dont believe everything you hear. From posts I've read; you can tell there lots of shannanigans around.
cheers
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So the Qantas Cadet Pilot Training Program doesn't require the same amount of input as one in Europe?
The principles are the same. "Being from Australia" doesn't signify a great deal; especially considering ive lived in Europe half my life!
Its a small world mate!
cheers
The principles are the same. "Being from Australia" doesn't signify a great deal; especially considering ive lived in Europe half my life!
Its a small world mate!
cheers
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It is perfectly true that there are many airline pilots who don't have particularly good educational qualifications. It's also true that all of us who aren't academically well qualified (yes, I include myself) were bloody lucky to get in to flying at a time when, or by a route where, these things weren't as important as they are now.
If you are at school and are hoping to begin pilot training soon after you leave there or university (for which you'll need good grades anyway), you will do yourself no favours by not doing the best you can to get good grades. Many of you will be aiming for one of the various CTC schemes, or one of the few part-sponsorships that exist, or the OAT APP scheme. All of these require good qualifications from their young applicants, as does the direct-entry route into many airlines. If you've been around the block a few times and have a history of work, academics are less important - but not unimportant!
Don't make it unnecessarily difficult for yourself; do your very best to get the highest grades you can at school, college or university.
Scroggs
If you are at school and are hoping to begin pilot training soon after you leave there or university (for which you'll need good grades anyway), you will do yourself no favours by not doing the best you can to get good grades. Many of you will be aiming for one of the various CTC schemes, or one of the few part-sponsorships that exist, or the OAT APP scheme. All of these require good qualifications from their young applicants, as does the direct-entry route into many airlines. If you've been around the block a few times and have a history of work, academics are less important - but not unimportant!
Don't make it unnecessarily difficult for yourself; do your very best to get the highest grades you can at school, college or university.
Scroggs
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Becoming an Airline pilot
Good Grades mean nothing ! If your passionate about flying and you really want to become an airline pilot then you will become one ! Dont listen to that ejit ANDRE25i !
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