Sponsorship programmes?
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I think, some people see the 'dream' job in becoming a pilot, you don't really need brilliant grades to become one, high pay, such as a doctor who has been through years at university - and all you really need is a good few licenses, which you might not eaven have to shell out for. To a teenager it seems like a dream job, and i would guess there are kids on here reading up on 'how easy' it is to become one, and seriously slack off at school.
There has been many a discussion on the education required to become a pilot ..... at the end of the day, who do you want representing YOUR airline? Exactly, you want a good pilot who is educated. (unlike a few off the shock horror 'ryanair' thingymajig).
You can't get anywhere in life without an education, certainly not into a highly paid career, with lots of responsibility.
If people are going to give advice, give facts, and give the 'wanna b pilots' a real chance.
There has been many a discussion on the education required to become a pilot ..... at the end of the day, who do you want representing YOUR airline? Exactly, you want a good pilot who is educated. (unlike a few off the shock horror 'ryanair' thingymajig).
You can't get anywhere in life without an education, certainly not into a highly paid career, with lots of responsibility.
If people are going to give advice, give facts, and give the 'wanna b pilots' a real chance.
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Hi everyone,
I just wanted to add my view. I didnt do particularly well at school and I am now 25 yrs old and in the last 4 months of studying for a HND in Aeronautical Engineering, something that I'm proud to have almost achieved!
I think its important to have determination and belief in what you want to achieve, we all go through different experiences in life and I'd like to think that becoming an airline pilot is still within my grasp. I can now appreciate the value of a good education and I spend alot of time wishing I could go back and do myself justice but regretting what I didnt do isnt going to get me where I want.
Yes of course doing as well as you possibly can in secondary education and even beyond is important but having the right personality and drive, to some extent, is probably equally important. I may have a disadvantage due to my poor academic credentials and I can only hope that my HND will help my case slightly but I still have the belief that, one day, I will be making my living as a professional pilot. I dont care how I do it but Im damn sure Ill be finding a way and I wont be give up no matter what set backs I encounter and, in my opinion, thats an important attitude to have.
So if you can do well at school then brilliant, its certainly worth the time and effort. If not, well dont think for one second that your dream is over because it isnt. If you want it bad enough you WILL find a way!
I cant believe Chelsea lost
Rob152
I just wanted to add my view. I didnt do particularly well at school and I am now 25 yrs old and in the last 4 months of studying for a HND in Aeronautical Engineering, something that I'm proud to have almost achieved!
I think its important to have determination and belief in what you want to achieve, we all go through different experiences in life and I'd like to think that becoming an airline pilot is still within my grasp. I can now appreciate the value of a good education and I spend alot of time wishing I could go back and do myself justice but regretting what I didnt do isnt going to get me where I want.
Yes of course doing as well as you possibly can in secondary education and even beyond is important but having the right personality and drive, to some extent, is probably equally important. I may have a disadvantage due to my poor academic credentials and I can only hope that my HND will help my case slightly but I still have the belief that, one day, I will be making my living as a professional pilot. I dont care how I do it but Im damn sure Ill be finding a way and I wont be give up no matter what set backs I encounter and, in my opinion, thats an important attitude to have.
So if you can do well at school then brilliant, its certainly worth the time and effort. If not, well dont think for one second that your dream is over because it isnt. If you want it bad enough you WILL find a way!
I cant believe Chelsea lost
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Captain Mick please dont forget this is a professional pilot forum; and hence there lies no need to be immature. 
Your practically saying good grades are useless! That is without a shadow of doubt a pathetic statement in regards to somebody at school attempting to qualify for a cadetship. And even if they dont want to be a pilot; or whatever; good grades are still important for university and future resume; but more importantly; self-esteem. They render you greater confidence; and can help you to achieve what you want to achieve!
Grades though aren't the "do or die" of getting selected; you need to get yourself involved. Do extra curricular activities; develop leadership; obtain a part time job...... the list goes on. Those that want it most get it.
I would have thought this was all common knowledge these days. Its pretty palpable isn't it?
take it easy guys, cheers
Your practically saying good grades are useless! That is without a shadow of doubt a pathetic statement in regards to somebody at school attempting to qualify for a cadetship. And even if they dont want to be a pilot; or whatever; good grades are still important for university and future resume; but more importantly; self-esteem. They render you greater confidence; and can help you to achieve what you want to achieve!
Grades though aren't the "do or die" of getting selected; you need to get yourself involved. Do extra curricular activities; develop leadership; obtain a part time job...... the list goes on. Those that want it most get it.
I would have thought this was all common knowledge these days. Its pretty palpable isn't it?
take it easy guys, cheers
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Sponsorship at 36 year of age !
Hopefully I've addressed this to the right forum.
This question probably gets asked a lot… So I'll keep it simple!
Can a newly qualified JAR-PPL pilot get sponsorship at the age of 36 towards becoming an airline pilot?
Thanks
iankay1999
This question probably gets asked a lot… So I'll keep it simple!
Can a newly qualified JAR-PPL pilot get sponsorship at the age of 36 towards becoming an airline pilot?
Thanks
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There are no sponsorships that pay for your training costs - they are approved schemes under which you provide your own funding, or managed financing whereby you are liable for the training costs that are fully deductible from salary.
Any that remain are age limited in general; the only one is Air Atlantique, for which I have no information. GAPAN scholarships and the like have upper age limits of around 26, and the same applies to non-UK EU airline sponsorships such as Air France.
Any that remain are age limited in general; the only one is Air Atlantique, for which I have no information. GAPAN scholarships and the like have upper age limits of around 26, and the same applies to non-UK EU airline sponsorships such as Air France.
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Use the search function - and find the answer:
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Join everyone else of a certain age who is funding their own training, there's now ay round it - sorry!
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Join everyone else of a certain age who is funding their own training, there's now ay round it - sorry!
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Quite frankly, having paid many 1000's of £'s for my training over the years working mega overtime whilst managing to buy a house and raise a family, the demise of sponsorships is not a sad thing in my eyes....
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yes. it is possible.
sponsore yourself!!!
40000 pounds for a cpl,IR, MCC
40000 for a T/R + 500hours
total 80'000 pounds(+living cost not included).
+4 or 5 years of gain lost and still NO JOB!!!
sponsore yourself!!!
40000 pounds for a cpl,IR, MCC
40000 for a T/R + 500hours
total 80'000 pounds(+living cost not included).
+4 or 5 years of gain lost and still NO JOB!!!
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Actual cadet sponsorship programms.....
May be this question have been already disscused, but anyway...
Could anybody tell me about actual programms. I have big interest for aviation and experience in self flying on simulators (non PC) B737,A320, ERJ and passed all real pilot training programms.
Could anybody tell me about actual programms. I have big interest for aviation and experience in self flying on simulators (non PC) B737,A320, ERJ and passed all real pilot training programms.
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I'm a little unclear on exactly what you're asking... What experience is it exactly that you do have when you say you've "passed all real pilot training programms"?
If this is a first serious look into real flying training after simulation then I would recommend a browse through http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131649
The reality is that there is pretty much no chance of having anyone pay for your flying training in some sort of Cadet scheme anymore. Any that do exsist place the financial liability firmly on the student (ie borrow the money from somone in a variety of creative guises) and costs can vary hugely from £25,000 anywhere up to £70,000.
I hope the reply was usefull, but if I've totally missed where you're coming from then sorry!
If this is a first serious look into real flying training after simulation then I would recommend a browse through http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131649
The reality is that there is pretty much no chance of having anyone pay for your flying training in some sort of Cadet scheme anymore. Any that do exsist place the financial liability firmly on the student (ie borrow the money from somone in a variety of creative guises) and costs can vary hugely from £25,000 anywhere up to £70,000.
I hope the reply was usefull, but if I've totally missed where you're coming from then sorry!
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Hi there, i'm new to this site and was just wondering where I could find info on airlines which are doing full sponsorships ab initio. I remember BA used to do one but do they still do it?
Any info would be much appreciated
Thanks
Any info would be much appreciated
Thanks
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Basically there are none. BA's Cadet scheme is long gone - the airlines just don't have the resources these days to provide them. Even part-sponsorships like Highland Airways and Atlantic require you to have a PPL before you start.
There is CTC Wings, which is sponsored but will require you to pay all your training costs back eventually through your salary; however, it's very difficult to get on to (success rate is ~3% of those that apply.)
There's masses of information on this site which will help you out. As a friendly piece of advice, people will be more willing to help you if you thoroughly research all the available information yourself and then come back with questions rather than expecting it to be "spoon-fed". Have a look at the sticky thread in the "Professional Pilot Training" forum - that's an excellent place to start.
There is CTC Wings, which is sponsored but will require you to pay all your training costs back eventually through your salary; however, it's very difficult to get on to (success rate is ~3% of those that apply.)
There's masses of information on this site which will help you out. As a friendly piece of advice, people will be more willing to help you if you thoroughly research all the available information yourself and then come back with questions rather than expecting it to be "spoon-fed". Have a look at the sticky thread in the "Professional Pilot Training" forum - that's an excellent place to start.
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...A New Hope
Not sure if anyone I've missed the boat in so far as replying on this thread but here a few rumours that might be of interest.
Jerez is fast filling up with both UK airline 'mentored' cadets (tfly, BACON, FlyBE) and MEA's sponsored cadets. Also the remaining sef-sponsored guys are quickly being snapped up by BACON, GB and Flybe soon after Grad.
Word on the street is that BA may well struggle to recruit the numbers of SSP low houred guys sufficient for its needs over the next few years. Certainly it is becoming difficult to accurately predict the number of Suitable "Potentials" from the free-market integrated school "pilot pool".
Given that many pupils may well already be ear-marked for another airline.
In short it is believed they are considering starting some form of Cadet Pilot scheme again in the future. When it will be and of what "Future Size and Shape" (drole I know) this will be is anyones guess however one cannot rule out sponsorship in some form particularly as this widens the pool of prospective employees beyond just those who can afford it.
So food for thought....
I post this to provide another opinion albeit based on fairly firm rumours. Sponsorship may not be dead as some would have you believe and may well be on the return. So what if its not 100% why should it be? One should at least be willing to invest some risk of your own.
I sincerely believe that all may not be lost for those seeking a sponsorship but I leave with this note (taken from literature about BAs cadet scheme circa 1999):
"over 60000 applicants for 200 places"
Those are tough odds no matter how you read it.
Jerez is fast filling up with both UK airline 'mentored' cadets (tfly, BACON, FlyBE) and MEA's sponsored cadets. Also the remaining sef-sponsored guys are quickly being snapped up by BACON, GB and Flybe soon after Grad.
Word on the street is that BA may well struggle to recruit the numbers of SSP low houred guys sufficient for its needs over the next few years. Certainly it is becoming difficult to accurately predict the number of Suitable "Potentials" from the free-market integrated school "pilot pool".
Given that many pupils may well already be ear-marked for another airline.
In short it is believed they are considering starting some form of Cadet Pilot scheme again in the future. When it will be and of what "Future Size and Shape" (drole I know) this will be is anyones guess however one cannot rule out sponsorship in some form particularly as this widens the pool of prospective employees beyond just those who can afford it.
So food for thought....
I post this to provide another opinion albeit based on fairly firm rumours. Sponsorship may not be dead as some would have you believe and may well be on the return. So what if its not 100% why should it be? One should at least be willing to invest some risk of your own.
I sincerely believe that all may not be lost for those seeking a sponsorship but I leave with this note (taken from literature about BAs cadet scheme circa 1999):
"over 60000 applicants for 200 places"
Those are tough odds no matter how you read it.
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'Sponsorships', of whatever variety, have involved a degree of funding from the student for very many years. If not directly up-front, then as a salary sacrifice of some kind - though, in days gone by, people used to accept that a new pilot was worth less than an experienced one and didn't try to insist that they ought to be paid the same as an established FO from day one!
It is certainly true that the supply of fresh pilots to the industry is, at last, something like in balance with the demand, and thus airlines (including BA) are having to grab the people they want at an earlier stage than in the recent past. Whether that situation continues, or even improves (from a wannabe's point of view) is entirely crystal ball territory! As stock markets have discovered in recent days, even when things seem to be going well, nasty surprises can happen.
Assuming the industry continues to forecast steady expansion over the next few years, it is highly likely that BA (and others) will reintroduce some kind of cadet scheme. As I've said many times before, any such schemes are likely to be on the CTC model where the airline contracts out its training to a specialist provider, and the financial risk is (at least nominally) taken by the student rather than the airline.
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It is certainly true that the supply of fresh pilots to the industry is, at last, something like in balance with the demand, and thus airlines (including BA) are having to grab the people they want at an earlier stage than in the recent past. Whether that situation continues, or even improves (from a wannabe's point of view) is entirely crystal ball territory! As stock markets have discovered in recent days, even when things seem to be going well, nasty surprises can happen.
Assuming the industry continues to forecast steady expansion over the next few years, it is highly likely that BA (and others) will reintroduce some kind of cadet scheme. As I've said many times before, any such schemes are likely to be on the CTC model where the airline contracts out its training to a specialist provider, and the financial risk is (at least nominally) taken by the student rather than the airline.
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airline Sponsership scheme HELP
Hello all
Iam to uni for my studying to be an airline pilot as we all know it cost alot of money (£60,000) just interested if there are any airlines out there that are doing a sponsership, does anyone know thanks alot
Iam to uni for my studying to be an airline pilot as we all know it cost alot of money (£60,000) just interested if there are any airlines out there that are doing a sponsership, does anyone know thanks alot