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Expect another bunch of "Mentored" Pilot Training Schemes. The kind that Excel, Thomas Cook, BACX, FlyBE and Tfly have launched recently in conjunction with OATs and FTE.
Nothing sponsored about it and the mentoring is not all that useful if they can't guarantee you a job which they don't!
Nothing sponsored about it and the mentoring is not all that useful if they can't guarantee you a job which they don't!
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Okay thanks for the info guys 
I will keep a look out on all the main sites (BA,Excel,Monarch...etc) throughout the year though. Otherwise its gonna take me about 10 years to save up for the ATPL because I have only just finished uni
lol.
Thanks
Mark.
I will keep a look out on all the main sites (BA,Excel,Monarch...etc) throughout the year though. Otherwise its gonna take me about 10 years to save up for the ATPL because I have only just finished uni
lol.Thanks
Mark.
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The CTC Wings scheme is near as damn it full sponsorship
gutting every month....Mortgage companies don't seem to like it either...don't know why...Best your going to get these days though. Sponsorships don't exist anymore and won't be making a comeback. They make no market sense and are far too risky for airlines. Pre-selection is the best you can hope for.
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They'll at be at it in the year no doubt. Hand over in exess of £60000 and not be guarenteed a job after it 
I am also offering the same type of Sponsorship for 60K, still with no guarentees, i accept cash only though
I am also offering the same type of Sponsorship for 60K, still with no guarentees, i accept cash only though
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I certainly hope not. There a a few of us F ATPL'd up without jobs.
But nothing would surprise me. I am sure the academics at some airlines would say " know there are thousands of trained pilot out there but would'nt it be economic sense to spends thousands training un trained ones".
Sorry that doe not help you. But to redeem myself. I am aware that recently that flybe have done some ab-initio sponsorship selection. Someone else may be in a better position to give you the details
But nothing would surprise me. I am sure the academics at some airlines would say " know there are thousands of trained pilot out there but would'nt it be economic sense to spends thousands training un trained ones".
Sorry that doe not help you. But to redeem myself. I am aware that recently that flybe have done some ab-initio sponsorship selection. Someone else may be in a better position to give you the details
Just because you have had to pay for your own training, does that mean everyone else should as well?
Seems to me like a fairly petty and bitter way to think...
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Mark,
If you're looking for ATPL sponsorships in 2007, try Highland Airways, Air Atlantique and Aeros Flight Training; these are the only genuine sponsorship schemes left in the UK.
Hope this news isn't as damaging to you as it may be to some people.
All the best
ZW
If you're looking for ATPL sponsorships in 2007, try Highland Airways, Air Atlantique and Aeros Flight Training; these are the only genuine sponsorship schemes left in the UK.
Hope this news isn't as damaging to you as it may be to some people.
All the best
ZW
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Although sponsorships in the truest sense of the word are largely non-existent in the UK, some of the "mentored" schemes can offer fairly significant financial benefits once you start working for the airline in question (yes, I know, job offers at the start of training are essentially provisional).
Obviously the finer details of each scheme have to be poured over but most of these schemes are worth applying for. Every little helps...
V1R
Obviously the finer details of each scheme have to be poured over but most of these schemes are worth applying for. Every little helps...
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I think the time of sponsorship is over and the only way to become a pilot, is to sponsor yourself.
just look at the websites selling tickets for 40-60 euros(or even 1 euro), if an airline start to sponsor wanabees, they are not going to be competitive.
i am a pilot, and the last job I have found was on the airbus320, I have to pay for my own training if I want fly the 320.
aviation has always been more and more expensive.regrettably it is a job for rich kids.
just look at the websites selling tickets for 40-60 euros(or even 1 euro), if an airline start to sponsor wanabees, they are not going to be competitive.
i am a pilot, and the last job I have found was on the airbus320, I have to pay for my own training if I want fly the 320.
aviation has always been more and more expensive.regrettably it is a job for rich kids.
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Again, Dartaganan being his usual self, everyone mocks him, hes a bitter jobless moron with no appreciation for the current market.
He's clearly missing the point as the Tfly and TCX sponsorship cadets actually dont have to pay for their TRs. In both cases they are bonded for a couple of years and have a massive financial advantage in the form of tax allowance. Contact the FTOs for details but it is apparent to all that the saving is about 30k in tax plus the TR which isnt paid for.
Albeit over a few years one wont notice the benefit, but from an outsiders point of view.... a lot of money.
You have to stump up the cash initially, but these 'tagged' schemes ensure that they contribute significantly towards paying the loan off.
Hope this helps,
Aim high and its all yours.
He's clearly missing the point as the Tfly and TCX sponsorship cadets actually dont have to pay for their TRs. In both cases they are bonded for a couple of years and have a massive financial advantage in the form of tax allowance. Contact the FTOs for details but it is apparent to all that the saving is about 30k in tax plus the TR which isnt paid for.
Albeit over a few years one wont notice the benefit, but from an outsiders point of view.... a lot of money.
You have to stump up the cash initially, but these 'tagged' schemes ensure that they contribute significantly towards paying the loan off.
Hope this helps,
Aim high and its all yours.
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sagaris, why don't you join them??I know how this market works!like you say there are very few airlines who bond pilots(mainly in UK)and the selection is very hard, but the majority of airlines(the LCC) in europe don't(since years ago).so are we all some jobeless morons in this case?
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If you find aircraft available for hire for free, let me know. But I sincerely doubt it.
It's not a rich man's game. Everybody is looking at 60k because that's the costs at Oxford or CTC.
You can get your ATPL with IR with about 30 grand these days. If you want it in 6 months, yeah it will cost you a lot.
If flying is a lifetime ambition and maybe you can do it over 5 or 6 years, it will cost you 5 grand a year, which is probably less than the running costs of a sporty car, petrol and insurance.
It's all about priorities
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During this last 2 or 3 years Oxford Aviation had assesments tests to enter for a sponsorship scheme with Thomas Cook, ExcelAirways.. If you succed on the assesments you will start the training with OAT.. After training the an completition the trainees started with thoose airlines. 
OAT also provides you with a good "after care service" (if we can call it like that) even if you just go and do the ATPL integrated program with them they will help you to get your first jobb. I have been there twice and have seen the students very happy with the school.
If i don't remember wrong this year over 150 students have gone to airlines and started their flying
check the web http://www.oxfordaviation.net
Take care;
/niko
OAT also provides you with a good "after care service" (if we can call it like that) even if you just go and do the ATPL integrated program with them they will help you to get your first jobb. I have been there twice and have seen the students very happy with the school.
If i don't remember wrong this year over 150 students have gone to airlines and started their flying
check the web http://www.oxfordaviation.net
Take care;
/niko
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And by the way the "poor bunny dazzled by the bright headlights" is not going to Oxford!!
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Sponsorship application
Hello there
I would like to know how airlines such as Easyjet and Flybe seperate applicants for sponsorhip schemes like the ones they are running at current. What distinguishes one applicant from another? Would it be Education; previous flight experience; job at an airport or similar.
Responses would be as welcome as always.
Thanks in advance
I would like to know how airlines such as Easyjet and Flybe seperate applicants for sponsorhip schemes like the ones they are running at current. What distinguishes one applicant from another? Would it be Education; previous flight experience; job at an airport or similar.
Responses would be as welcome as always.
Thanks in advance
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I'm fortunate to have secured a place on a sponsorship scheme and those who were successful have fairly varied backgrounds.
Education-wise, some have degrees (generally technical e.g. physics, computer science, etc.), others have A levels (the minimum educational requirements were a maths and science A level).
Flying-wise, all have some experience. Some have PPLs (or hours towards them - the minimum experience was 12 hours), others have hours gained through military elementary flying training or instructing on gliders.
Work-wise, most have at least a year or two of work experience (everything from education to sales to engineering to the military).
Age-wise, the youngest is 22, the oldest 29, the average age being in the mid-20s.
The selection was fairly industry standard - a couple of short essay questions, aptitude and personality tests, group exercises and a couple of interviews.
There doesn't seem to be a model profile on paper - the assessors seem to look at the whole package. My gut feeling is that the real deciders are (once the selection criteria have been met) the group exercises and interviews in the later stages of selection, where your 'soft' skills are looked at.
Very general I know, and specific to my experiences and one particular scheme, but maybe useful.
All the best,
V1R
Education-wise, some have degrees (generally technical e.g. physics, computer science, etc.), others have A levels (the minimum educational requirements were a maths and science A level).
Flying-wise, all have some experience. Some have PPLs (or hours towards them - the minimum experience was 12 hours), others have hours gained through military elementary flying training or instructing on gliders.
Work-wise, most have at least a year or two of work experience (everything from education to sales to engineering to the military).
Age-wise, the youngest is 22, the oldest 29, the average age being in the mid-20s.
The selection was fairly industry standard - a couple of short essay questions, aptitude and personality tests, group exercises and a couple of interviews.
There doesn't seem to be a model profile on paper - the assessors seem to look at the whole package. My gut feeling is that the real deciders are (once the selection criteria have been met) the group exercises and interviews in the later stages of selection, where your 'soft' skills are looked at.
Very general I know, and specific to my experiences and one particular scheme, but maybe useful.
All the best,
V1R
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Well, as has been discussed before, the word "sponsored" is often a bit of a misnomer in the current climate - maybe "mentored" is better.
It is the Thomas Cook scheme at OAT and involves completing the standard APP FO course with a conditional offer of employment after training. Last year's cadets have recently received TR dates and basings and are soon to finish at OAT.
Those who required a loan to finance the cost of the course could borrow the full course cost from HSBC (who view the scheme as posing less risk to them) whereas usually there would be a £10k shortfall between the maximum loan available and the course cost. Other than TCX-specific SOPs taught in the JOC section, a jumpseat trip after the IR and a visit or two to the company facilities, the course is identical to the standard APP FO course.
On completion, TCX pays for the 757 TR (there is a 2-year associated bond). Cadets then receive a basic salary of c. £21k plus £12k tax-free per year (for the first 7 years). With other odds and ends this will probably total c. £35k p/a but only the £21k is taxed (at the associated rate). The £21k salary rises by c. £2-4k per year over the first 7 years.
Leaving before the 7-year period is up will obviously mean the loss of the £12k tax-free per year.
Cheers,
V1R
It is the Thomas Cook scheme at OAT and involves completing the standard APP FO course with a conditional offer of employment after training. Last year's cadets have recently received TR dates and basings and are soon to finish at OAT.
Those who required a loan to finance the cost of the course could borrow the full course cost from HSBC (who view the scheme as posing less risk to them) whereas usually there would be a £10k shortfall between the maximum loan available and the course cost. Other than TCX-specific SOPs taught in the JOC section, a jumpseat trip after the IR and a visit or two to the company facilities, the course is identical to the standard APP FO course.
On completion, TCX pays for the 757 TR (there is a 2-year associated bond). Cadets then receive a basic salary of c. £21k plus £12k tax-free per year (for the first 7 years). With other odds and ends this will probably total c. £35k p/a but only the £21k is taxed (at the associated rate). The £21k salary rises by c. £2-4k per year over the first 7 years.
Leaving before the 7-year period is up will obviously mean the loss of the £12k tax-free per year.
Cheers,
V1R