Is Ryanair Really That Bad
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Is Ryanair Really That Bad
I am genuinely scared to aske this, just in case i get a massive backlash of ' where have you been... (expletive)'
If you are a low hour, looking for first job, need the hours, don't care who i whore for; pilot. Are they really that bad.
I would be more worried if they took your money for the type rating and ditched because you won't pole dance in a pair of speedo's for the training captain. Although, I ACTUALLY WOULD do that to get a job.
They used to call me 'king of the poles'.
Anyway, i digress. Would it be a really bad move to do the above, if you were lucky enough to land that first job.
Please don't burn me at the stake for this in your replies.
JTK
If you are a low hour, looking for first job, need the hours, don't care who i whore for; pilot. Are they really that bad.
I would be more worried if they took your money for the type rating and ditched because you won't pole dance in a pair of speedo's for the training captain. Although, I ACTUALLY WOULD do that to get a job.
They used to call me 'king of the poles'.
Anyway, i digress. Would it be a really bad move to do the above, if you were lucky enough to land that first job.
Please don't burn me at the stake for this in your replies.
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Pay good money
jamestkirk,
my girlfriend said she would pay good money to see you pole dance. In fact I've mentioned it to a few of the girls in the office and i think you could be onto a winner.
Perhaps a new vocation in life me thinks ???
Once there was the Chippendales, now it might be the Chippenpoles ?
Oh and we would all pay £50 to gain entrance and another £150 for a bottle of fizzy water.
Hmmmmmmm
Goldfinger
my girlfriend said she would pay good money to see you pole dance. In fact I've mentioned it to a few of the girls in the office and i think you could be onto a winner.
Perhaps a new vocation in life me thinks ???
Once there was the Chippendales, now it might be the Chippenpoles ?
Oh and we would all pay £50 to gain entrance and another £150 for a bottle of fizzy water.
Hmmmmmmm
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Yes.... If only because, as I see it, they are the ones leading the fight against T's and C's in this industry.
A real kick in the Balls to young and old, Exp and InExp
Just my view though...
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A real kick in the Balls to young and old, Exp and InExp
Just my view though...
See other threads on Trs and Ryanair
Make your own mind up
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There's a great many who might consider being a pole-dancer very akin to being an airline pilot ( be that at RyanAir or others ), e.g..
- The working hours tend to be anti-social.
- It takes a fair amount of training, skill & dexterity to consistently pull-off a good performance.
- Being a good looker ( esp. with big jugs and / or long legs ) can help you get a job.
- Many of the customers are complete tossers ( in every sense of the word ).
- The management are continually trying to screw you.
- You keep dancing around the pole in the hope that something better will come along soon ( but it rarely does ); and,
- The money is quite good.
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jamestkirk-
Hell, I would probably sell my left n
t to fly for them. I am willing to put up with all of Michael's sh t to get my foot in the door, get the hours and experience to go elsewhere. I wonder of those that say they will never pay for their own training, how many have under 1000 hours and have never worked as a pilot. Probably not too many that have the means to pay for their training. The low hour guys who are getting the jobs now are the guys who are willing to pay for their rating. Times have changed since the last downturn in the aviation industry and people have had to adapt to the new aviation market. But if anyone knows of a union that will bond us all together and scream: "No pilot will pay for their own training!!" please step forward because I want to sign up. I know that Ryanair has 125 firm orders of B738, the most popular aircraft in the world,(ie:best chance to find work elsewhere after Ryanair) and I want to fly one!! Bring on the sh t Michael!!
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Hell, I would probably sell my left n
t to fly for them. I am willing to put up with all of Michael's sh t to get my foot in the door, get the hours and experience to go elsewhere. I wonder of those that say they will never pay for their own training, how many have under 1000 hours and have never worked as a pilot. Probably not too many that have the means to pay for their training. The low hour guys who are getting the jobs now are the guys who are willing to pay for their rating. Times have changed since the last downturn in the aviation industry and people have had to adapt to the new aviation market. But if anyone knows of a union that will bond us all together and scream: "No pilot will pay for their own training!!" please step forward because I want to sign up. I know that Ryanair has 125 firm orders of B738, the most popular aircraft in the world,(ie:best chance to find work elsewhere after Ryanair) and I want to fly one!! Bring on the sh t Michael!!Great Circle
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Just remember those of you that would pay for a type rating just to get on the first run of the ladder……the precedent you are accepting will mean that all airlines will expect you to do the same, Irrespective of your experience. Airline management love you because they can get you to pay for everything now and make more profit which they can take in bonuses.
The better job is unlikely to appear around the corner ….just companies offering more of the same….You will just have to get used to being in debt.
The better job is unlikely to appear around the corner ….just companies offering more of the same….You will just have to get used to being in debt.
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Perhaps one other thing to bear in mind with Ryanair (or any other airline for that matter), is how the remainder of the industry views it's pilots, or more correctly, how they will be viewed in coming years.
Yes, it is all relevant experience in the logbook, but if recruiters view Ryanair and it's pilots in a negative way, that experience may not prove to be as valuable as many wannabees are assuming it will be.
For example, if a chief pilot holds the opinion that O'Leary is a cowboy, running an operation that he believes is unsafe, and it's pilots regularly disregard various regulations, then whether or not any of that is actually true, or applies to you personally is irrelevant. That chief pilot will apply his own prejudices to all pilots within that company, and any negative experience which reinforces that opinion will far outweigh any positive experience. In short, pilots will be recruited from elsewhere, even if it means taking someone less than ideal for the position.
Now, I'm not suggesting that Ryanair is some kind of dodgy airline, just something to bear in mind for those who intend to use it purely for hour building, rather than because they genuinely want to work there. Be careful what you wish for.
Yes, it is all relevant experience in the logbook, but if recruiters view Ryanair and it's pilots in a negative way, that experience may not prove to be as valuable as many wannabees are assuming it will be.
For example, if a chief pilot holds the opinion that O'Leary is a cowboy, running an operation that he believes is unsafe, and it's pilots regularly disregard various regulations, then whether or not any of that is actually true, or applies to you personally is irrelevant. That chief pilot will apply his own prejudices to all pilots within that company, and any negative experience which reinforces that opinion will far outweigh any positive experience. In short, pilots will be recruited from elsewhere, even if it means taking someone less than ideal for the position.
Now, I'm not suggesting that Ryanair is some kind of dodgy airline, just something to bear in mind for those who intend to use it purely for hour building, rather than because they genuinely want to work there. Be careful what you wish for.
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witchdoctor,
What complete sh**e that post is, I fly for Ryanair and out of the airlines I have worked for before the way Ryanair operates is up there with the best of them.
Safety is never ever compromised, it is number one at all times! Yes there may be gripes at managment and the way the airline is run, but at the end of the day arguments aside, this is a professional job and no matter what airline or aircraft ALL pilots treat it that way.
This is an extremley responsible job, and if your not up to it your out Ryanair don't care about that and will not give second chances!
What complete sh**e that post is, I fly for Ryanair and out of the airlines I have worked for before the way Ryanair operates is up there with the best of them.
Safety is never ever compromised, it is number one at all times! Yes there may be gripes at managment and the way the airline is run, but at the end of the day arguments aside, this is a professional job and no matter what airline or aircraft ALL pilots treat it that way.
This is an extremley responsible job, and if your not up to it your out Ryanair don't care about that and will not give second chances!
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Good grief Charlie Brown.Did I say Ryanair were a bunch of coyboys? Please read the last paragraph before the red mist descends and try again.
I am simply alluding to the fact, as JamesTKirk acknowledges in his initial posting, that Ryanair are not the best loved company within the industry, and that may play a factor in your employability in the future. As such, I am trying to advise joining the company because you want to, not because you can.
Same advice applies to any job.
I don't believe I have ever voiced my own opinion of the airline on this forum. I know the company well, as I deal with them every day, and I know several Ryanair flight crew (including some of my friends and former colleagues), and should I ever feel like voicing my opinion on the airline, I feel well-qualified to do so.
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There really is some tripe said sometimes on these forums. I think to many people are busy listening to hearsay rather than getting it from the horses mouth. As with any airline pilots come and go at Ryanair. Many of Ryanairs pilots leave to major full service airlines and arguably in a shorter time span than they would do elsewhere due largely to the fact that they accrue medium jet hours so quickly. I have never heard of any of them being disadvantaged when sending off cv's. As with any interviews it will be down to them being able to jump through the usual hoops such as persoanlity, sim checks etc.
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MY opinion: these self sponsered programs **** up the whole world of aviation. Salaries are going down and normal people consider pilots as busdrivers or truckdrivers through the air!
There are even companies asking to pay for your own type rating and after successfull completion you get paied 1500 euro's per month? What's that all about!?!?!
Is that the reputation you want?
There are even companies asking to pay for your own type rating and after successfull completion you get paied 1500 euro's per month? What's that all about!?!?!
Is that the reputation you want?
