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I am sitting in that ATP holding pool and have been there for a while now. I do feel confident that I will be placed and the recruitment season for the major charters will be coming up soon, there is everything to look forward to.
It is a little worrying to hear about EZY etc but I am sure they will start there recruitment again soon if not already. I do feel lucky to be in this position even though things are moving quite slowly at the moment.
It is a little worrying to hear about EZY etc but I am sure they will start there recruitment again soon if not already. I do feel lucky to be in this position even though things are moving quite slowly at the moment.
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The only chance you have at a job with Monarch for example, who's pay is still good (ppjn) is via CTC
Also bear in mind, since the ATP scheme has been running since 1994, CTC have never failed to place a cadet. Thats 10 years and nobody has left without a job.
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Define ' placed' in these terms - and 'nobody has left without a job' - think that is factually incorrect.
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Don't see where this "B" scale comes from - what do you mean? The pay is the same - what could possibly be "B" scale about it. Maybe some of the other pilots might think it a bit unfair that you are there but thats life!
Its in black and white - the ATP scheme has never failed to place a cadet. Its perfectly true
Its in black and white - the ATP scheme has never failed to place a cadet. Its perfectly true
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danazam check your pm's.
Anyone stage three on 20th? Will rpobably be mostly the people from stage two on the 14th I suppose, see some of you there hopefully.
Good Luck all.
CB1
Anyone stage three on 20th? Will rpobably be mostly the people from stage two on the 14th I suppose, see some of you there hopefully.
Good Luck all.
CB1
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I'm also attending Stage 2 soon, but not on the 14th!
I've noticed everyone who's asked for info about Stage 2 has had PMs, so could any very kind person please do the same for me?
I've noticed everyone who's asked for info about Stage 2 has had PMs, so could any very kind person please do the same for me?
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Don’t critisize what you don’t understand – Bob Dylan
Sorry if I am breaking a convention by my first post being controversial, but this is not a maiden speech in the House of Commons.
tree_greens, you appear to be somewhat ill-informed and are, as such, misrepresenting the truth; perhaps not deliberately, but the effect is the same. While I am not a spokesperson, I do have access to the Wings cadet forum and I am in NZ; that's the credibility of my information.
CTC did announce additional airlines a few months back; five of them in fact. And hot news is that BA have been added to the list. Currently (I quote from an impeccable source), the airlines are:
Britannia
British Airways
easyJet
First Choice
flyBE
Jet2
Monarch
Thomas Cook
As for the eJ cadets who are waiting for type rating, some have been placed with Britannia and some with BA. They will be replaced by other cadets who have not yet been selected by an airline, so eJ get the original planned numbers.
That’s what I call a result.
tree_greens, as your posts suggest that you applied for the scheme (but were not successful), why do you want to criticise it? Is it your own disappointment?
Sorry if I am breaking a convention by my first post being controversial, but this is not a maiden speech in the House of Commons.
tree_greens, you appear to be somewhat ill-informed and are, as such, misrepresenting the truth; perhaps not deliberately, but the effect is the same. While I am not a spokesperson, I do have access to the Wings cadet forum and I am in NZ; that's the credibility of my information.
CTC did announce additional airlines a few months back; five of them in fact. And hot news is that BA have been added to the list. Currently (I quote from an impeccable source), the airlines are:
Britannia
British Airways
easyJet
First Choice
flyBE
Jet2
Monarch
Thomas Cook
As for the eJ cadets who are waiting for type rating, some have been placed with Britannia and some with BA. They will be replaced by other cadets who have not yet been selected by an airline, so eJ get the original planned numbers.
That’s what I call a result.
tree_greens, as your posts suggest that you applied for the scheme (but were not successful), why do you want to criticise it? Is it your own disappointment?
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Good and impressive news for those cadets.
I'll keep a look out for the press releases.
Looking forward to seeing future posts by the two members who registered just to answer my original statement.
I'll keep a look out for the press releases.
Looking forward to seeing future posts by the two members who registered just to answer my original statement.
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I have family on the scheme! Thats how I get my info. As far as I know the only new news (as of 1st December!!!) is that Britannia are taking on at least 7 cadets. Not heard a thing about all those other airlines you mentioned, especially not BA! BA have a good supply of INTEGRATED students that they are taking from Oxford & Cabair.
The old CTC sponsorship was rebranded the 'wings' scheme a few months back and from what I can see they have used the old AQC customers as new launch customers for the wings scheme. False advertising from what I can see when BA, First Choice, Flybe & Jet2 haven't taken on any cadets in all these months!!!
Your style of writing makes you sound very much like highflyer27 (I mean Rod Wren). Stop playing us around will ya.
I didn't apply for the CTC scheme as I already have a job!
easy cadet,
Just read your latest post on the Is CTC the only way forward thread. VERY suspicious. Quite accurate with some of the figures there arent you, and you seem to know a hell of a lot more than the average cadet!!! I smell a rat. RW himself advertising his flying circus?
The old CTC sponsorship was rebranded the 'wings' scheme a few months back and from what I can see they have used the old AQC customers as new launch customers for the wings scheme. False advertising from what I can see when BA, First Choice, Flybe & Jet2 haven't taken on any cadets in all these months!!!
Your style of writing makes you sound very much like highflyer27 (I mean Rod Wren). Stop playing us around will ya.
I didn't apply for the CTC scheme as I already have a job!
easy cadet,
Just read your latest post on the Is CTC the only way forward thread. VERY suspicious. Quite accurate with some of the figures there arent you, and you seem to know a hell of a lot more than the average cadet!!! I smell a rat. RW himself advertising his flying circus?
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I take it from your post that it is impossible that anything new could have happened since the 1st December?
BA have just joined in the last 24hrs.
Check with whoever you know on the scheme (mo) before you make posts on this topic.
Why are you so keen to slag it off anyway? Is your family member on the scheme not happy with it? Whats so suspicious about easy cadets other post? - its accurate.
BA have just joined in the last 24hrs.
Check with whoever you know on the scheme (mo) before you make posts on this topic.
Why are you so keen to slag it off anyway? Is your family member on the scheme not happy with it? Whats so suspicious about easy cadets other post? - its accurate.
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So CTC will be doing every sponsorship deal there is? God it's a f
ing monopoly.
If Mary Brown or Rod Wren don't like you you are fud
If FlyBe had joined why would they be working with Cabair and why would Britannia sponsor through Jerez? All of which are happening/happened very recently.
Shi guys you all better stop self funding and going modular as all of the pilots in europe will soon be getting churned out like sausages from CTC. At least the RAF won't be losing so many. Oh shi stop press CTC will be doing the RAF's recruitment soon.
That's it then folks if you do not get through CTC you are all worthless and should not bother trying so hard to achieve your dream. It seems that if you don't sing the CTC tune you don't stand a cat in hells chance of ever landing a pilots job, so just give it up. Rod and his friends have sewn that market up sweetly, lock fu stock. You could always try tube driving 18k-35k 35hr week, 52 days holiday a year. Oh stop press news flash, apparently CTC will be doing the recruitment for that one and you have to sing to their tune and put a bond down for £60,000.
We are all doomed doomed.
ing monopoly.If Mary Brown or Rod Wren don't like you you are fu
dIf FlyBe had joined why would they be working with Cabair and why would Britannia sponsor through Jerez? All of which are happening/happened very recently.
Shi
guys you all better stop self funding and going modular as all of the pilots in europe will soon be getting churned out like sausages from CTC. At least the RAF won't be losing so many. Oh shi stop press CTC will be doing the RAF's recruitment soon.That's it then folks if you do not get through CTC you are all worthless and should not bother trying so hard to achieve your dream. It seems that if you don't sing the CTC tune you don't stand a cat in hells chance of ever landing a pilots job, so just give it up. Rod and his friends have sewn that market up sweetly, lock fu
stock. You could always try tube driving 18k-35k 35hr week, 52 days holiday a year. Oh stop press news flash, apparently CTC will be doing the recruitment for that one and you have to sing to their tune and put a bond down for £60,000.We are all doomed doomed.
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this thread is keeping me entertained....especially good to read when I get back from a pretty dull day at work..
out the window goes plan B then
its true there's not much in the way of competition for CTC at the moment, anyone know any Crew Training Captains that are going free? Bit of money, an arrangement with HSBC, couple of planes and a contact in an airline and we're sorted....who's up for it?!
out the window goes plan B then
its true there's not much in the way of competition for CTC at the moment, anyone know any Crew Training Captains that are going free? Bit of money, an arrangement with HSBC, couple of planes and a contact in an airline and we're sorted....who's up for it?!
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Considering i'm going for Stage 2 soon this is interesting reading! I'm trying to brush up in preparation - I know the tests are mathmatical and eye/hand coordination, but can anyone tell me anymore than that? Is there anything in particular I can prepare for?
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What goes up -
A lot has been written regarding stage 2 on earlier posts. The day consists of a group discussion - try and be yourself and get involved.
Then you will have a short math’s test. Make sure you are up to speed on long division and multiplication, speed/distance/time stuff and basic arithmetic etc
The aptitude tests are looking at your innate skills - very little you can do to prepare unfortunately. I strongly suggest an early night and a good breakfast. When doing the tests try to stay as relaxed as possible, and don't get flustered by others. I personally read all the instructions twice to make sure I knew what I was doing. It certainly helped me, and it you don’t appear be negatively marked for doing so as I passed stage 2, and as I said, I read all instructions twice.
Good luck!
A lot has been written regarding stage 2 on earlier posts. The day consists of a group discussion - try and be yourself and get involved.
Then you will have a short math’s test. Make sure you are up to speed on long division and multiplication, speed/distance/time stuff and basic arithmetic etc
The aptitude tests are looking at your innate skills - very little you can do to prepare unfortunately. I strongly suggest an early night and a good breakfast. When doing the tests try to stay as relaxed as possible, and don't get flustered by others. I personally read all the instructions twice to make sure I knew what I was doing. It certainly helped me, and it you don’t appear be negatively marked for doing so as I passed stage 2, and as I said, I read all instructions twice.
Good luck!
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If telling the truth is throwing personal insults then fine. I can not actually see where I have insulted anyone on my last post, I have not called anyone any names. I have my opinion and you have yours, you are wrong though.
I will tell you something else many of you don't know.
You can get hold of the Compass Test and PILAPT if you know the right people and believe me people have who have passed CTC's selection have used it! FACT. This whole illusion that you can't prepare for the tests is utter b*ll*cks. I have consistently been able to improve my score on a friend of a friends PILAPT and Advanced COMPASS test just to see if I could. It's just like playing a computer game the more you practise the better you become at it.
If you want to help yourselves improve your maths then buy the Trachtenberg (Spelling) book of speed mathematics and practise, in less than 1 hour you will be able to do 1548 X 896 in about 20 seconds in your head.
If you want help with other tests there is a book that was brought out to help US airforce pilot wannabees I can't remember the name but you can buy it from amazon.com. Two of the tests in this book have been 'allegedly' pillaged and put straight into the Advanced Compass test ( the one with the headings) and the "an aircraft flies at 800 knots" etc bullshi* questions. I kid you not those questions are identical, the book even shows you how to answer them.
As for the sim check you can pay £100 to ride in exactly the same sim or very similar elsewhere for a few hours. I won't say where but I know people who have, use you initiative if you really want it.
I can't help you with the interview, you are on your own for that one.
You can also buy the sim software for a few pounds, illegally of course. There are so many Malaysian and Chinese websites selling this stuff it's unbeliveable.
"This is a Fictitious post as we live in Fictitious times. This post is 100% made up and is false in every sense. This post does not reflect the views of the author"
I will tell you something else many of you don't know.
You can get hold of the Compass Test and PILAPT if you know the right people and believe me people have who have passed CTC's selection have used it! FACT. This whole illusion that you can't prepare for the tests is utter b*ll*cks. I have consistently been able to improve my score on a friend of a friends PILAPT and Advanced COMPASS test just to see if I could. It's just like playing a computer game the more you practise the better you become at it.
If you want to help yourselves improve your maths then buy the Trachtenberg (Spelling) book of speed mathematics and practise, in less than 1 hour you will be able to do 1548 X 896 in about 20 seconds in your head.
If you want help with other tests there is a book that was brought out to help US airforce pilot wannabees I can't remember the name but you can buy it from amazon.com. Two of the tests in this book have been 'allegedly' pillaged and put straight into the Advanced Compass test ( the one with the headings) and the "an aircraft flies at 800 knots" etc bullshi* questions. I kid you not those questions are identical, the book even shows you how to answer them.
As for the sim check you can pay £100 to ride in exactly the same sim or very similar elsewhere for a few hours. I won't say where but I know people who have, use you initiative if you really want it.
I can't help you with the interview, you are on your own for that one.
You can also buy the sim software for a few pounds, illegally of course. There are so many Malaysian and Chinese websites selling this stuff it's unbeliveable.
"This is a Fictitious post as we live in Fictitious times. This post is 100% made up and is false in every sense. This post does not reflect the views of the author"
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Tree_greens, you are a conspiracy theorist and pretty wound up. Not everyone on this forum is Rod Wren, and some of us are pretty well informed about what we are doing. There are quite a lot of us living in the Factory who are really quite pleased to be here. Why should we not be free to register on this forum and defend the scheme we are on from inaccurate attacks? Free speech is OK you know. What’s in your pants?
For the record, my source was the Wings cadet forum; I quoted from a post put there yesterday, announcing the above.
Last night it was confirmed at a meeting I attended – try asking your brother.
For the record, my source was the Wings cadet forum; I quoted from a post put there yesterday, announcing the above.
Last night it was confirmed at a meeting I attended – try asking your brother.
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Just another quick question about stage 2, how long does it last? A couple of hours or until the evening? Lunch arrangements or anything like that?
Not sure whether to book accomodation for 2 nights, many thanks!
Not sure whether to book accomodation for 2 nights, many thanks!