The CTC Wings Scheme thread
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hey Antilles
who r u by the way? From your posts I presume you are out here in NZ, which must mean you and I live in the same building, and I probably know you, but I cant work out who u r!
If you dont wanna tell me over the web, just gimme your initials or CP or room number or something, it will just cure my sense of curiosity!
I am guessing that from my name and waist size, you can work out who I am!
who r u by the way? From your posts I presume you are out here in NZ, which must mean you and I live in the same building, and I probably know you, but I cant work out who u r!
If you dont wanna tell me over the web, just gimme your initials or CP or room number or something, it will just cure my sense of curiosity!
I am guessing that from my name and waist size, you can work out who I am!
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Addy,
All the financial details are on the company's website.
V1R
P.S. From your profile, I think you might be on the wrong thread. This one is geared towards CTC's ab-initio CADET scheme - a scheme for those with little (OK, maybe a PPL) or no flying experience on application. I understand there is a seperate scheme for those with a fATPL.
All the financial details are on the company's website.
V1R
P.S. From your profile, I think you might be on the wrong thread. This one is geared towards CTC's ab-initio CADET scheme - a scheme for those with little (OK, maybe a PPL) or no flying experience on application. I understand there is a seperate scheme for those with a fATPL.
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Hi I am quite new to this website so don't know a great deal about it. I was wondering how likely it is that you get a job at the end of the CTC scheme?
Is it guaranteed?
Is it guaranteed?
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daveyp,
Unfortunately, a training scheme where a place with an airline is guaranteed at the end of it does not exist and never has done.
Even in the days of the BA Sponsored Pilot Training Scheme (where at least you didn’t have to make any advanced financial contribution to your training) you would only be offered a place subject to meeting required standards and the business need at the time.
However, the CTC Wings Programme in my view gives you the highest-if not as high a-chance of airline placement than any other scheme that I’m aware of in Europe. (I hear that Air France still run a sponsored training programme, although I don’t have any details and I’d guess fluency in French would be a basic requirement). I better declare that I have recently successfully completed the selection process for the Wings Programme, so I don’t want to sound biased
. I will however justify myself with the following key point. The Wings Programme has placed 100% of cadets who have successfully completed the training course.
How do they achieve this?
1) The course has been tailored in consultation with the partner airlines. E.g. you aren’t just trained to basic JAA requirements but as airline pilots and team players right from the start.
2) The selection process is challenging and ensures that the right candidates get through. I.e. you have to work to join them, they are not working to get you to join them (as is with most flight schools… $$). The airlines recognise this and it supports the high rate of success on the programme.
3) The course is fully integrated (you can theoretically start with no experience) and gives you line orientated experience on type (most other courses to not integrate type experience).
4) The course provides you with 30% more than the minimum JAA flight training requirements. (Including 50% more on multi-engine).
5) The ground school record is excellent. They currently average at a 99% first time pass rate with average marks of 91%.
6) The very fact that the partner airlines are receiving Wings cadets who are both highly motivated and highly trained, can only be signalling to them and others that this scheme is highly successful. It’s obvious what their reaction to this will be!
7) The course is a partnership between the airlines, CTC, its instructors and the cadets. It’s not a school that say... gets you your licences and will see if it can find you/help you to get a place with ‘an’ airline.
8) At the moment, airlines are demanding as much if not more than what can be supplied in terms of pilots being trained in this way.
I could list more reasons but I’ve rabbited on for ages already. I would also add that another important reason that attracted me to the course was the innovative way in which it is financed (as I’m not that wealthy!). However, even if you have the circumstance whereby you can fund the training without the assistance of a bank, CTC is still the best place to start!
I’ve added a couple of links that you might find useful (if you haven’t picked them up already).
http://www.ctcaviation.com/wings/040204.html
http://www.ctcaviation.com/wings/0404.html
http://www.ctcaviation.com/0103.html (read the .pdf doc by Steve Billet, he might be an executive director of the company but in my view it sums up all the issues surrounding the culture of pilot training; past, present and future).
I’d also suggest that you have a read of this thread and others. There is a fair whack of misinformation and general chat but you’ll find some useful stuff as well. You’ll know what’s what.
Good luck and all the best.
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Unfortunately, a training scheme where a place with an airline is guaranteed at the end of it does not exist and never has done.
Even in the days of the BA Sponsored Pilot Training Scheme (where at least you didn’t have to make any advanced financial contribution to your training) you would only be offered a place subject to meeting required standards and the business need at the time.However, the CTC Wings Programme in my view gives you the highest-if not as high a-chance of airline placement than any other scheme that I’m aware of in Europe. (I hear that Air France still run a sponsored training programme, although I don’t have any details and I’d guess fluency in French would be a basic requirement). I better declare that I have recently successfully completed the selection process for the Wings Programme, so I don’t want to sound biased
. I will however justify myself with the following key point. The Wings Programme has placed 100% of cadets who have successfully completed the training course. How do they achieve this?
1) The course has been tailored in consultation with the partner airlines. E.g. you aren’t just trained to basic JAA requirements but as airline pilots and team players right from the start.
2) The selection process is challenging and ensures that the right candidates get through. I.e. you have to work to join them, they are not working to get you to join them (as is with most flight schools… $$). The airlines recognise this and it supports the high rate of success on the programme.
3) The course is fully integrated (you can theoretically start with no experience) and gives you line orientated experience on type (most other courses to not integrate type experience).
4) The course provides you with 30% more than the minimum JAA flight training requirements. (Including 50% more on multi-engine).
5) The ground school record is excellent. They currently average at a 99% first time pass rate with average marks of 91%.
6) The very fact that the partner airlines are receiving Wings cadets who are both highly motivated and highly trained, can only be signalling to them and others that this scheme is highly successful. It’s obvious what their reaction to this will be!
7) The course is a partnership between the airlines, CTC, its instructors and the cadets. It’s not a school that say... gets you your licences and will see if it can find you/help you to get a place with ‘an’ airline.
8) At the moment, airlines are demanding as much if not more than what can be supplied in terms of pilots being trained in this way.
I could list more reasons but I’ve rabbited on for ages already. I would also add that another important reason that attracted me to the course was the innovative way in which it is financed (as I’m not that wealthy!). However, even if you have the circumstance whereby you can fund the training without the assistance of a bank, CTC is still the best place to start!
I’ve added a couple of links that you might find useful (if you haven’t picked them up already).
http://www.ctcaviation.com/wings/040204.html
http://www.ctcaviation.com/wings/0404.html
http://www.ctcaviation.com/0103.html (read the .pdf doc by Steve Billet, he might be an executive director of the company but in my view it sums up all the issues surrounding the culture of pilot training; past, present and future).
I’d also suggest that you have a read of this thread and others. There is a fair whack of misinformation and general chat but you’ll find some useful stuff as well. You’ll know what’s what.
Good luck and all the best.
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The Wings Programme has placed 100% of cadets who have successfully completed the training course.
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I hear what you're saying guys and Speedy, you sound like you have an inside track on this. HAHA, I can barley remember Stage 2, it was so long ago.. Nothing's perfect mate.. I am trying to justify what I'm saying though..
When you say these guys have 'completed their training with CTC', do you mean that they have completed the 'Advanced' section of the course having spent 6 months training on the line with their future provisional airline and are already under contract?
Or that they have been turned down for employment by that airline at the point when they're ready to sign and so have not been placed and have no prospect of being placed with another airline by CTC? So, have these cadets 'successfully completed the course' yet?
The standards have to be met at the end of the day. If they aren't met then that's either down to the cadet or that the training needs to develop with them a bit further.
Reverting back to daveyp's original question, I'd say the best chance of placement is with CTC and I'm sure that when these 'relatively few' guys you’re referring to and the company have taken necessary steps so that they do 'successfully' complete, then they’d have the usual high chance of getting placed.
593.
When you say these guys have 'completed their training with CTC', do you mean that they have completed the 'Advanced' section of the course having spent 6 months training on the line with their future provisional airline and are already under contract?
Or that they have been turned down for employment by that airline at the point when they're ready to sign and so have not been placed and have no prospect of being placed with another airline by CTC? So, have these cadets 'successfully completed the course' yet? The standards have to be met at the end of the day. If they aren't met then that's either down to the cadet or that the training needs to develop with them a bit further.
Reverting back to daveyp's original question, I'd say the best chance of placement is with CTC and I'm sure that when these 'relatively few' guys you’re referring to and the company have taken necessary steps so that they do 'successfully' complete, then they’d have the usual high chance of getting placed.
593.
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Thanks a lot supercruise.
It seems to me then if you get on the CTC scheme and you pass it with pretty decent marks then the airlines will look favourably at your CV and it is more than likely that you will get a job.
Thanks for the other posts guys just wanted to make sure i knew a bit about the job prospects before I dedicate myself to applying to the CTC scheme and spending £60,000 or whatever it is on the training.
It seems to me then if you get on the CTC scheme and you pass it with pretty decent marks then the airlines will look favourably at your CV and it is more than likely that you will get a job.
Thanks for the other posts guys just wanted to make sure i knew a bit about the job prospects before I dedicate myself to applying to the CTC scheme and spending £60,000 or whatever it is on the training.
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Dream to reality
I am going to stage 2 on the 12/07/05
Found out this evening... better get cracking with the old revision
Not what I want to do after months of revis for finals, but at least this will be something that I can actually be truly motivated for!
What are your plans for accomodation? I see you are from the same parts as me, where abouts in Surrey?
Miles
I am going to stage 2 on the 12/07/05
Found out this evening... better get cracking with the old revision
Not what I want to do after months of revis for finals, but at least this will be something that I can actually be truly motivated for!What are your plans for accomodation? I see you are from the same parts as me, where abouts in Surrey?
Miles
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Milesaway,
Hey, at last, found someone whos gonna be there
I'm from Ashtead, I am at Surrey Uni (Guildford) now,
I already booked my hotel: Avon Causeway, apparantly its only 3
miles away, I will go there on the 11th and get a taxi in the morning!
How about you?
Hey, at last, found someone whos gonna be there
I'm from Ashtead, I am at Surrey Uni (Guildford) now,
I already booked my hotel: Avon Causeway, apparantly its only 3
miles away, I will go there on the 11th and get a taxi in the morning!
How about you?
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Milesaway and Dream to reality
I'm coming for Phase 2 on 12/07 aswell. Down from Edinburgh though so a bit further away than you guys!
Coming down the 11th, not booked a hotel yet but the Avon Causeway sounds like a good bet.
DTR sent you a PM before reading on so sorry for repeating myself.
See you there, happy studying!
I'm coming for Phase 2 on 12/07 aswell. Down from Edinburgh though so a bit further away than you guys!
Coming down the 11th, not booked a hotel yet but the Avon Causeway sounds like a good bet.
DTR sent you a PM before reading on so sorry for repeating myself.
See you there, happy studying!
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Milesaway and Geezajob,
If you decide to come to Avan Causeway Hotel as well, let me know, it would be nice to get to know each other before we actually get there.
Good luck.
If you decide to come to Avan Causeway Hotel as well, let me know, it would be nice to get to know each other before we actually get there.
Good luck.
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DTR im also at surrey uni - or rather i have just graduated...
Im thinking of driving down in the morning is that a bad idea
am i right in thinking it starts at 10?
i think ill have a look at avon causeway as well!
Im thinking of driving down in the morning is that a bad idea
am i right in thinking it starts at 10?i think ill have a look at avon causeway as well!