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Check www.flyinginireland.com/forum in the student area for a discussion on this one !
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Yesterday morning, although I know someone who just found out today. I was told that metrics would be in January so I enquired today what exactly was happening on the 12th and I wasn't really given an answer. I just want to be able to prepare!!
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CityJet cadet pilot scheme
Hi there all,
I am just seeking some advice in relation to my future career. I am 21 and live in Dublin and recently applied to the Cityjet cadet pilot scheme being run in association with Sigmar aviation. It is now in its final stages with only 18 of us left. It is a self-sponsored scheme with the prospect of a job with Cityjet at the end. The approximate cost is €85,000 for an integrated course in South Africa including type rating to BAE-146 and all related costs right until you start work with the airline.
Being a pilot is something i have always wanted to do, however i have a Commerce degree and an MBS in Project management just being completed at present. Would i be crazy to become a pilot with these qualifications already????
Also would i be better work an office job for a few years and try and save up to fund my own training as opposed to takeing out a loan???
I am not totally worried about salary etc although i really have no idea how much i could expect to earn.
I am just looking for carrer advice essentially from people within the industry and any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I am just seeking some advice in relation to my future career. I am 21 and live in Dublin and recently applied to the Cityjet cadet pilot scheme being run in association with Sigmar aviation. It is now in its final stages with only 18 of us left. It is a self-sponsored scheme with the prospect of a job with Cityjet at the end. The approximate cost is €85,000 for an integrated course in South Africa including type rating to BAE-146 and all related costs right until you start work with the airline.
Being a pilot is something i have always wanted to do, however i have a Commerce degree and an MBS in Project management just being completed at present. Would i be crazy to become a pilot with these qualifications already????
Also would i be better work an office job for a few years and try and save up to fund my own training as opposed to takeing out a loan???
I am not totally worried about salary etc although i really have no idea how much i could expect to earn.
I am just looking for carrer advice essentially from people within the industry and any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: CityJet cadet pilot scheme
Hi there,
Tricky one!!! I think it depends on how definate the 'prospect' of a job with Cityjet is?? If so, I'd go for it because as everyone knows getting a job is not easy. If it's a bit wishy washy maybe think harder. You dont want to pay for a type rating then not have a job at the end!!
With regards to your other situation, if you need to work an office to save funds, do so by all means, however you can get into a rut or routine working in an office and stay there longer than you wish, believe me I know!!
If flying is really what you want and you can fund it, go for it!!!
All the best and good luck!!!
Ali1
Tricky one!!! I think it depends on how definate the 'prospect' of a job with Cityjet is?? If so, I'd go for it because as everyone knows getting a job is not easy. If it's a bit wishy washy maybe think harder. You dont want to pay for a type rating then not have a job at the end!!
With regards to your other situation, if you need to work an office to save funds, do so by all means, however you can get into a rut or routine working in an office and stay there longer than you wish, believe me I know!!
If flying is really what you want and you can fund it, go for it!!!
All the best and good luck!!!
Ali1
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Re: CityJet cadet pilot scheme
€85,000 for an integrated course in South Africa
I believe LASORS 2006 has a list of the schools approved for integrated courses. There are currently none in South Africa.
Unless that's with the Irish AA
Good Luck!
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Re: CityJet cadet pilot scheme
Jamesiek, Extensive discussion here:http://www.flyinginireland.com/forum...pic.php?t=1198
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Re: CityJet cadet pilot scheme
Just checked my Info on the course and it is definitly integrated.....first of its kind in South Africa, Port Alfred i think. It just received its certification from the IAA.
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Thanks for the link Telstar, extremly helpful, although after reading that i feel very uneasy about the whole program.....what do you think yourself????
Would i just be better to go the tried and tested route eg Oxford/Jerez etc.
Would i just be better to go the tried and tested route eg Oxford/Jerez etc.
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James, I have a few reservations about the package on offer.
1.Its way, way, way over the odds price wise. Its oxford/jerez money, and your the guinea pig as this is a whole new venture, the first IAA approved school overseas.
2. There are NO guarantees of a job! They are dangling that carrot around and people are fixating on that. Yes you may be given a preference but in th 14-16 months it takes you to get qualified who knows what might have happened, if there are no jobs available, you won't be getting one. They give you no contractual or written promises, what does that tell you!
3.Pricewise again, your being middled by a third party. I would cut the middleman, save a bloody small fortune go modular and with what you've saved pay for the type rating their or elsewhere.
Just read some of the comments from people who attended the interview in the above link. The lack of transparency bothers me.
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1.Its way, way, way over the odds price wise. Its oxford/jerez money, and your the guinea pig as this is a whole new venture, the first IAA approved school overseas.
2. There are NO guarantees of a job! They are dangling that carrot around and people are fixating on that. Yes you may be given a preference but in th 14-16 months it takes you to get qualified who knows what might have happened, if there are no jobs available, you won't be getting one. They give you no contractual or written promises, what does that tell you!
3.Pricewise again, your being middled by a third party. I would cut the middleman, save a bloody small fortune go modular and with what you've saved pay for the type rating their or elsewhere.
Just read some of the comments from people who attended the interview in the above link. The lack of transparency bothers me.
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Thanks again Telstar, i am doing the metric tests with Cityjet today so i'll give these a shot and keep it up till the end but i think it will only be for experience as it all seems a little too perfect to be honest.
On the other hand it could be a really great program that company's value really highly and all the chosen people could get jobs with Cityjet and it could work out in our favour. However, am i, or anyone willing to take that risk????? I'd love to but it is a serious risk. I have heard about the talk of insureing ourselves or that it may even be included with price. My uncle is a financial adviser and he reckons we could insure against all risks for under 3 grand but again it all adds to the course cost but even the chance of a job at the end is a lot more than the current Oxford grads etc can get!!! Any opinions?
95k is an awful lot and if unlike i previously thought (i will ask them today) that it does not include TR then why are we paying 3 grand more than Oxford to be the guinea pigs of the program?
Finally, i have applied to the CTC cadet program with Easyjet etc, it sounds very good although the money is not great at all as far as i can see and you are contracted to them for 7 years. I am going to an assesment day in late January.
On the other hand it could be a really great program that company's value really highly and all the chosen people could get jobs with Cityjet and it could work out in our favour. However, am i, or anyone willing to take that risk????? I'd love to but it is a serious risk. I have heard about the talk of insureing ourselves or that it may even be included with price. My uncle is a financial adviser and he reckons we could insure against all risks for under 3 grand but again it all adds to the course cost but even the chance of a job at the end is a lot more than the current Oxford grads etc can get!!! Any opinions?
95k is an awful lot and if unlike i previously thought (i will ask them today) that it does not include TR then why are we paying 3 grand more than Oxford to be the guinea pigs of the program?
Finally, i have applied to the CTC cadet program with Easyjet etc, it sounds very good although the money is not great at all as far as i can see and you are contracted to them for 7 years. I am going to an assesment day in late January.
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jamesiek and others.....
Money not that great? Hmm let me explain why it is the best around at the moment.
If, for example you sourced the £60,000 required from private (as in free sources ) you wont pay a penny for your training. It would get paid BACK to you over the 7 year period your contracted for. If you source the £60,000 from the bank then all that you;d loose is the interest, about £20,000. So in that perspective it is the cost of a modular course - but you get a integrated (well very soon to be) course with a fantastic stamp in your logbook - CTC.
With regards to your salary whilst at easyjet/Thomas Cook you get less that someone that has say come from another FTO. However, the airline pay you back your money every month. About £1,000 per month. BUT you dont get £12,000 per year less than your counter parts from other FTO's. Therefore at CTC you can earn more than your mates from other FTO's but also be in a situation where you can say either :-
1) I have not paid a penny for my training.
2) All I have paid is £20,000.
In addition to the first point there if you have borrowed from a family member the £60,000 you wage packet from the airline will still include the £1,000 per month as a tax free sum! So you will be better off than your mates that have come from other FTO's as £1,000 of your monthly salary won;t be taxable.
Hope this is clearer!
Andy
Money not that great? Hmm let me explain why it is the best around at the moment.
If, for example you sourced the £60,000 required from private (as in free sources ) you wont pay a penny for your training. It would get paid BACK to you over the 7 year period your contracted for. If you source the £60,000 from the bank then all that you;d loose is the interest, about £20,000. So in that perspective it is the cost of a modular course - but you get a integrated (well very soon to be) course with a fantastic stamp in your logbook - CTC.
With regards to your salary whilst at easyjet/Thomas Cook you get less that someone that has say come from another FTO. However, the airline pay you back your money every month. About £1,000 per month. BUT you dont get £12,000 per year less than your counter parts from other FTO's. Therefore at CTC you can earn more than your mates from other FTO's but also be in a situation where you can say either :-
1) I have not paid a penny for my training.
2) All I have paid is £20,000.
In addition to the first point there if you have borrowed from a family member the £60,000 you wage packet from the airline will still include the £1,000 per month as a tax free sum! So you will be better off than your mates that have come from other FTO's as £1,000 of your monthly salary won;t be taxable.
Hope this is clearer!
Andy
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Re: CityJet cadet pilot scheme
I'd be very wary jamesiek, like telstar said, you're the guinea pig and the price is huge. You could go back to back modular in the UK and have enough money left over for a rating for the same money as sigmar are looking for! They haven't even given a final salary figure yet!
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It all depends on what they mean by the "prospect" of a job. Without anything firm, it's an over expensive fATPL course. As they won't give anything firm I suspect (or at the very least there will be a get out clause), it seems like an over expensive fATPL.
I have heard that the directors of Sigmar and Cityjet are one and the same. Sounds like a fast buck to me. I'd recommend talking to some cityjet pilots - and not the ones they wheel out for your interview.
I have heard that the directors of Sigmar and Cityjet are one and the same. Sounds like a fast buck to me. I'd recommend talking to some cityjet pilots - and not the ones they wheel out for your interview.
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CityJet tests
Greetings,
I'm looking for some information about the CityJet aptitude tests.
If anyone can give me some info about it, that would be great!
Thanx.
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I'm looking for some information about the CityJet aptitude tests.
If anyone can give me some info about it, that would be great!
Thanx.
1013->coffee
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There will be 4 tests
Math, logics, mechenical logics and foldouts.
Math from very simple questions to quit hard wans.
Logics you see 4 pictures with a logic in it what would the fifth picture be.
Mechenical logics if you turn a chainwheel clockwise what would the third chainwheel do (you will see a picture).
Foldout You will see a 2 dimensional picture if you fold it together how would it looklike in 3 dimension.
Good luck
Math, logics, mechenical logics and foldouts.
Math from very simple questions to quit hard wans.
Logics you see 4 pictures with a logic in it what would the fifth picture be.
Mechenical logics if you turn a chainwheel clockwise what would the third chainwheel do (you will see a picture).
Foldout You will see a 2 dimensional picture if you fold it together how would it looklike in 3 dimension.
Good luck