Cityjet??

[moocow456]

CityJet Sim Checks

anyone know when they are starting in dublin?

[Slobby]

Cityjet Sim Check

Dear Colleague's,
Past my initial testing with Cityjet and have an interview and simcheck with them next week. Anyone able to provide me with information regarding the sim check/interview?
Thanks in advance.

Slobby

[Mr Smiley]

Hey Slobby


Check your PM's



Mr Smiley

[Gary Moore]

CityJet jobs

Just incase you are interested!
Cityjet have an advertisement in an Irish paper today for Pilots based in Dublin or Paris.
Qualifications required;
JAR CPL/IR with MCC.

For more details log onto www.cityjet.com

Sorry if this is posted elsewhere!

Gary

[Capt BK]

Anyone had any luck filling in the online application form? I keep getting a "PAge cannot be displayed" message.

CBK

[FLEXPWR]

Is that true that Cityjet is not taking any of Aer Arann pilots? (Rumour says it..)

[FLYbyWIT]

I wouldnt get to excited, Cityjet continuously has their doors open for applications on their website. The advert in the paper was part of an airport special and as for cityjet it pretty much repeated whats been on their website for ages. Not trying to be a doom mongerer but this advert is NOT a sudden surge for applications.

[My names Turkish]

I second what flybywit says, they have had that application form on their website for at least 4 years. People I know have sent in applications 5 or 6 months ago with no reply. I sent mine of yesterday as I had only just done my MCC with no reply either.

[smiert spionom]

Flexpwr,


I fly in Aer Arann and I was offered a job interview with City Jet 1.5 years ago, decided not to go afterall. So I guess they do concider pilots from RE.
From when I applied to they called me, about 2 months.


Smiert Spionom

[FLEXPWR]

One Step,

You seem to know a bit about Cityjet,

Quote: "It seems to be an air corps old boys agreement not to poach each others pilots."

Are Aer Arann and Cityjet mainly run by ex- air corps people?

I know of 2 pilots from Aer Arann who applied in the past (2004 I think), and gone thru Psycho Tests and interviews, and according to them, they never even had a call to tell them they were selected or not.

Just curious as to find out if that "unwritten rule" is effectively applied. Wouldn't be worth the time and energy if people knew already they would not be hired.

As for why you would apply to Cityjet, even being a captain, maybe a jet job in what seems a steady growing airline with potentially better aircraft in the long run would be a reason (sure they would not be flying these 146's in 10 years time, would they?) and heard pilots are quite happy there, but you can probably detail this better me.

[TwoDeadDogs]

Hi,OSB et al
Whatever about Cityjet being a Donner's paradise, it's certainly not the case in Aer Arran. There are only a handful of ex-Donners in there,and they are not brown-booters. It helps to have a West of Ireland connection to get the foot into Arran. Or speak Dutch, as of lately.
regards
TDD

[Sky_Captain]

So you know, there is only one man, Mr T. Regan, (or "Captain" Regan as he claims, even though he's rarely flown for Cityjet, and was a 2 bar second officer when he did!!!) who says yes or no in the end. The company has changed its image over the years, and is no longer an all ex air-corps company as it was, It was a great company to work for, but not any more, and is mostly French now-adays.
It helps to be french, or speak french to get in. But once in, it won't be too nice, especially with their roster.
The reason why their short captains is because several have left over the past few months, and although they have given different reasons as to why they left, one point that constantly repeated itself, was a poor roster.
FLEXPWR, as long as Air France are in charge, they will stay with the 146 for now. The agreement is that Cityjet can not have an aircraft with a seating capacity greater than 100, plus it needs to be able to operate into LCY. Cityjets current MD or GM, Mr G White did look into the new Embraer 190, but was given a definate NO WAY by AF (so the story in the grape vine goes), thats why a possible buy out of cityjet is being investigated.

S.C.

[FLEXPWR]

Thanks SC, much useful info!
Looks like it would be good to look for other places too...
Hard to imagine that AF would let go their 100% owned airline so they can make their own routes and profits. Apparently AF has a reputation, at least in France, to bury any competition, as they did for most regional airlines in France.
Luckily, Ireland may be out of the "jurisdiction"!
Are the rosters that bad? Is there a big difference in roster/work pattern wether you're based in Paris or Dublin? Are the route very different?

THX.

[Sky_Captain]

Can't say much about the rostering in CDG but the DUB gang spend most of there time in Paris or elsewhere! And end up with not too much time at home, difficult for the the older guys with families in Dublin to be constantly away. I won't put you off applying too much, there's still a lot of good people in the company to fly with, and its always a great thrill doing the approach into LCY.
As for AF, well, Cityjet is making them money but only in the 146 market. Air Frances policy is that if a route is worth a profit they will commit one of thier aircraft if they can fill it. If not, but there's still money to be made with a smaller aircraft, then somebody like Cityjet will be offered the route. Although, it is a very unique agreement they have, since Cityjet is 100% owned as you said by AF, yet one of their aircraft is in the new Cityjet colours (EI-CNQ) and operates DUB-AGP under the WX flight number.

In the end though, if its a job your looking for, your in it for the flying, and more importantly, its your first job, apply everywhere. You might be stuck flying rubber dog s**t between here and tim-buck-to, but at least you'll be flying.

Best Of Luck,

S.C.

[One Step Beyond]

thats why a possible buy out of cityjet is being investigated

Where did you hear such rubbish? CityJet would stand absolutely no chance of surviving on its own. And its not like AF would let go its only subsidiary that actually makes money.

It helps to be french, or speak french to get in

Completely untrue.

Rosters are very different in DUB than in CDG. CDG is almost 100% earlies and very few overnights. DUB is about 3/4 later starts with about 10 overnights per month. Basically, CDG crews do the morning rotations out of CDG and then DUB crews come over on their trips and do the afternoon rotations.
Roster stability seems to depend on luck, sometimes it never changes, other times... The problem is no pattern so its impossible to plan ahead for days off.
Plus crewing attitudes to crew are awful. The bottom line is the company is totally undercrewed and it affects everyone.

As for imminent new aircraft, that rumour is almost as old as the company. At best, it'll be the AVRO RJ. No way they want an aircraft with a useful rating as everyone will leave as soon as the rating is done. That said, Cityjet management have no say in the matter (or indeed in much else) and AF will call the shots on the issue.

[jamestkirk]

rubber dog sh*t flying

Sky Captain

I am looking for my first job and have sent 3 CV's to different people at Cityjet.

So, In my mind, flying rubber dog shi*t from place to place would be absolutely super.

How desperate am i!

[Sky_Captain]

thats why a possible buy out of cityjet is being investigated

I appologise, I should have said that it was investigated, at least when I worked for them it was. And as I wrote one step beyond, "so the story in the grape vine goes", meaning, it was an internal "rumour", mostly discussed between the more senior people within Cityjet. After all this is a "Rumour" Network

James T your not desparate at all, I'm the exact same and always will be, at least until I have the necessary experience and won't sell my soul for a job. If you can, PM me with the e-mail address you used for your CV, just want to make sure you have the right desk.

S.C.

[Bikkie s]

Sky Captain you seem to know it all. How come you're not flying with CityJet yourself, you obviously know all the correct people. I'm sure the rosters can't be less appetising than flying dog turd..?

[pipergirl]

Plus crewing attitudes to crew are awful. The bottom line is the company is totally undercrewed and it affects everyone.

Crewing are under just as much pressure-they have to make sure there are crew on the flights and with sickness etc combined with lack of crew (which is the bottom line) the problem is made worse. Crewing are there to do a job and they are doing it. They are working with what they have (or in this case don't have)

It is unfair to say that crewing have an awful attitude. They have their own sets of problems and pressures from above. Ok, there maybe one or two rotten apples, but that does not mean crewing across the board are an evil bunch of w**kers.

[jamestkirk]

Please Help : Cityjet Aptitude Test

Hello

Can anyone please let me know what is involved in the cutyjet aptitude tests for F/O

I have one on Thursday so have little time to prepare.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

JTK