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Old 3rd Jan 2004, 04:25
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Beside what The mole was saying, I'd also add this: let's consider how long time Global has been advertising in pprune? 3 months at the most, let's give it a little time, it's not a well known company as CTC for example, and then let's see what will happen.
And by the way, at this point I have to admit it: I'm John Travolta
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Old 3rd Jan 2004, 05:34
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Having been in aviation since 1976 I learnt many years ago to forget the rumours and gossip and go with what you believe.
All I (and others) are reading here is rumours and gossip from seemingly newbies so I will take this opportunity to say au revoir.
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I can't believe this!
Let me go with what I believe without thinking twice before spending 15K pounds or more! Yeah!
When I'll be sure that everybody will go with what they believe without doing researches, I'll start to sell type ratings



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Old 3rd Jan 2004, 06:46
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Lomax,
I'm not suggesting you or others should not think twice before parting with 15k or more, for Christ's sake I'd give it considerable more thought than that before parting with that sort of money.
All I'm suggesting, is that it is very easy, on a site such as this, to 'shoot' one's mouth without investigation nor knowledge.
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Old 3rd Jan 2004, 12:51
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All I'm suggesting, is that it is very easy, on a site such this, to 'shoot' one's mouth without investigation or knowledge.
I think the ones who have to investigate and offer knowledge are those who are selling type ratings/promises...everybody here is willing to have some proofs of what they say... no further comments. To me, their silence says it all.
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Old 4th Jan 2004, 07:01
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I would doubt if any professional organisation would post their corporate results on such a 'hearsay' chat site.
That would be no way to run a business and if, as is said, 'silence says it all' then how about the silence of the guys and/or gals that are currently undergoing training with supposedly no job prospect thereafter?
I know that if I had parted with 20k with no job prospect thereafter I would be the first one here to bitch and complain.
As was stated earlier in this topic, perhaps they do have jobs to go to and perhaps their silence does say it all.
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Old 4th Jan 2004, 17:29
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I would doubt if any professional organisation would post their corporate results on such a 'hearsay' chat site.
That would be no way to run a business and if, as is said, 'silence says it all' then how about the silence of the guys and/or gals that are currently undergoing training with supposedly no job prospect thereafter?
I know that if I had parted with 20k with no job prospect thereafter I would be the first one here to bitch and complain.
As was stated earlier in this topic, perhaps they do have jobs to go to and perhaps their silence does say it all.
Amen
Equally, if I was one of those people who had coughed up the £20 grand and I had got a good job out of it, I would certainly be happy to give G.A.S. a letter to that effect or at least use a nice photo of me preflighting my shiny new 737 or something like that. OATS / Cabair / BAE are all known to publish pictures of their successful classes / graduates in their literature after all.

That is hardly a 'corporate result' and even if it was, it's a bit late for anyone to turn round and say this is a scurrilous 'hearsay chat' site given the shameless publicity and free plugging that CH4 has been inflicting upon us for months

I am not jumping on the GAS-bashing bandwagon here, in fact I fervently hope they succeed, I am belatedly coming to the conclusion that pay-for-type-ratings is here to stay and I would like nothing better than to see a company with a successful scheme for getting fresh type rated people into jobs.

Fair enough if they are a new company just getting things under way, and they may only be getting their first set of successes about now. I have no problem with that, but GAS need to understand, until we can see some kind of evidence of real people in real jobs then a lot of people are going to position them in the 'unacceptably high risk' area. I'll let other people gamble with their £20 grand until I can see a proven track record and documented evidence of people in jobs.

I think it's very important for their own sake that they provide these proofs because at the moment I'll bet the vast majority of their applicants are either unemployed, desperate or low timers. Once they've got the credibility factor, it will also start to bring in a whole different class of applicant - ie the ones like myself, high time with a good secure turboprop job who would like to move on, but aren't going to run the risk of leaving their current job to buy into this scheme and coming up with nothing.
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Old 5th Jan 2004, 00:22
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opsmaneurope,

et dixit amen amen
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Old 5th Jan 2004, 16:47
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Hey CH4, Luke Sky Toddler etc:

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! WHICH AIRLINES DO THEY WORK FOR ???????? WANNABEES BE AWARE: WITHOUT AN AIRLINE JOB NAMED AND CONTRACTED BEFORE YOU SPEND GBP 850 THIS PROGRAM IS A WASTE OF MONEY!

And LST:
OATS / Cabair / BAE are all known to publish pictures of their successful classes / graduates in their literature after all.
Sounds nice but they add names of airlines that they work for!!!!!


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Old 5th Jan 2004, 19:25
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What on earth gives you the idea that I am in favour of this scheme?

Go read my post again, it's essentially the same message as yours.

I'm just as suspicious as the next man until they show us the proofs of contracted airlines etc.

And STOP SHOUTING
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Old 6th Jan 2004, 03:24
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Oops a bit trigger happy there dear LST... but the message we agree on than.
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after reading all the posts about GAS i understood it's better to invest my 850 pounds by gambling in Las Vegas. the guy who was supposed to answer all the questions has vanished....
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Question

CH 4 still alive??? Any answers yet...


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Ok guys, now I have a question for you?

Do you really expect CH4 to come and answer your questions after all the posts on this tread talking Sh!t about his company!
I have nothing to do with Global Aviation and I really think that we should not spend our money w/o a contract, but I am sure that the fact that he is not wasting his time answering to questions in this tread proves that he is serious about what he is doing!!!

Let me explain it:
he knows that if you are really interested about his program you would ask him these types of question by calling his company, instead you post on pprune which proves to him that you are the ones not serious about it.

We shouldn't pay for our type rating and we shouldn't expect that the aviation industry owns us a job but remember if there are people ready to pay thousand of pounds ok fine; I am not ready for that, but don't complain and b!tch about somebody that is just trying to work (because that's how it is, no one will do something for you w/o expecting something back!!)

Good luck and good flying
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Old 9th Jan 2004, 22:44
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Yes speevy I really do expect the guy to come on here and answer our questions

This website nowadays is the premier resource of unemployed / up and coming / wannabe airline pilots in the UK if not the world and he's had a fair bit of free advertising off it already - do a search on CH4 and you'll see what I mean. Virtually all his entire target market (UK based unemployed FATPL holders) are aware of this website and I would say the majority of them at least lurk here from time to time even if they don't post.

He may not want to come on here and engage in talking sh!t as you put it, but these are fair and legitimate questions from intelligent professional people.

The flight training industry is absolutely crammed full of charlatans and rip off merchants, and if he wants to avoid being tarred with that brush it's long past time he put his money where his mouth is.

At an absolute minimum, I would like to hear the names of the airlines involved and the numbers of people 'assessed' on this scheme versus those offered a job.

Truth is, it's now been several months since he started taking £850 chunks of money off people for "assessments", and getting all high and mighty on the website here towards anyone who dared to ask for any proof of his credibility, his airline connections, or in any way wonder whether their money would be better spent elsewhere.

I haven't seen a shred of hard evidence of a proper airline involved with G.A.S. and I still haven't seen or heard of a SINGLE PERSON who's been through this scheme and got a paltry hour in a 737 out of it, let alone an airline job.

Come on CH4 this thread has been running for several days now and I refuse to believe you haven't seen it or read it. Let's have the proof - or at least some very good rebuttals as to why we can't have it
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Old 10th Jan 2004, 17:26
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Speevy,

There are too many people selling hot air on the net and if we can help any wannabees by making them aware of this by asking the right questions than I am happy.

There is this other place that advertises in flight which name I will put here when I can find a copy, that advertises with an adress on Mayfair in London. When you do a search on the address you will find that it is a mailbox adress only... That is the reason for asing the questions. If the answer is x pilots are flying at Y airlines than I will lay down.

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Jetavia-

Are you referring to the Cadets taken on via Pprune?
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Old 11th Jan 2004, 17:44
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Jetaviva,

No that was the price for pilots joining the course directly thru Astreaus, i don't know for how long the price remained at that level though
This is absolute nonsense. Do you make this stuff up?

H

p.s. We are currently training 14 pilots for Global, all of whom have job offers at the end of their training.
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Old 11th Jan 2004, 18:48
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Maybe you can help the wannabee community then Hamrah??
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p.s. We are currently training 14 pilots for Global, all of whom have job offers at the end of their training.
And I'm sure you can bring us proofs of what you're saying, right Hamrah?
Prove it my dear friend, these proofs are so important that some companies like Gulfstream Academy put pictures and names of their former students who were hired by airlines on their website. It's the best way to advertise what you're selling. After all, these are not classified information, are they?
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