Sponsored Training - Suggestions?
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Hi chaps,
I have recently graduated from University and I am determined to start a career in civil aviation within the next year or so. My situation is currently as follows:-
- Sent CV + covering letter to British Airways. Their training is currently "on hold" but may resume in 3 to 6 months. I was told to get back in touch at that time.
- Currently going through the CTC Aviation selection process for sponsored training on behalf of Easyjet (I should add that CTC would be absolutely ideal if I pass the application process)
- Class 1 medical booked with CAA mid-September.
I would ideally like to take the sponsored route into aviation. I believe this is the quickest and probably the best value providing everything works out in the long run. Does anybody have any general advice which may be of use?
Cheers,
Jeremy
I have recently graduated from University and I am determined to start a career in civil aviation within the next year or so. My situation is currently as follows:-
- Sent CV + covering letter to British Airways. Their training is currently "on hold" but may resume in 3 to 6 months. I was told to get back in touch at that time.
- Currently going through the CTC Aviation selection process for sponsored training on behalf of Easyjet (I should add that CTC would be absolutely ideal if I pass the application process)
- Class 1 medical booked with CAA mid-September.
I would ideally like to take the sponsored route into aviation. I believe this is the quickest and probably the best value providing everything works out in the long run. Does anybody have any general advice which may be of use?
Cheers,
Jeremy
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Suggest you use the search facility, or dig about in the near past on this forum.
You must have a double first then? You're too intelligent to be a pilot. Have you considered becoming a banker?
I believe this is the quickest and probably the best value providing everything works out in the long run.
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> Suggest you use the search facility, or dig about in the near past on this forum.
I have been doing some digging. I will continue to do so - thanks for the advice.
> You're too intelligent to be a pilot.
I don't believe obtaining a degree classifies me as "too intelligent". Many airlines should be interested in degree graduates because of the additional skills developed during higher education such as communication and team working.
I have had a desire to go into aviation for the last 3 or 4 years although i've only recently made a firm decision. One of the reasons I went to university was to ensure I have a solid education to fall back upon if things didn't work out. I could have quite easily posted this message a few years ago.
> Have you considered becoming a banker?
It's the very experience I have gained over the last 3 years that has cleared my mind. I worked in business while studying and it is not something I want to see myself pursuing in 30 years time. In many respects, I am glad i've had the business experience because I am now more confident of my decisions than ever before
I have been doing some digging. I will continue to do so - thanks for the advice.
> You're too intelligent to be a pilot.
I don't believe obtaining a degree classifies me as "too intelligent". Many airlines should be interested in degree graduates because of the additional skills developed during higher education such as communication and team working.
I have had a desire to go into aviation for the last 3 or 4 years although i've only recently made a firm decision. One of the reasons I went to university was to ensure I have a solid education to fall back upon if things didn't work out. I could have quite easily posted this message a few years ago.
> Have you considered becoming a banker?
It's the very experience I have gained over the last 3 years that has cleared my mind. I worked in business while studying and it is not something I want to see myself pursuing in 30 years time. In many respects, I am glad i've had the business experience because I am now more confident of my decisions than ever before
No Sponsor, don't worry about it, sarcasm is obviously lost on some people. (No offence Jez
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Jez, if you can find sponsorship in this world, I take my hat off to you. Read all the literature about the state of the industry you can find, and please think very carefully before paying anything for your own training.
Good luck with CTC and finding the 60 grand bond!
)Jez, if you can find sponsorship in this world, I take my hat off to you. Read all the literature about the state of the industry you can find, and please think very carefully before paying anything for your own training.
Good luck with CTC and finding the 60 grand bond!
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Just because you have a degree it doesn't mean in any way you are more likely to get a sponsorship with an airline, or that you are a better communicator or team worker.
Chances are, IMHO, that the airlines are looking for someone a little more "rounded" and "broadened" rather then someone who has just done school-college-university, which is a very sheltered life.
Its a tough world out there and education, no matter to what standard, cannot prepare you for what it is like out there in the real world. The market place for wannabee pilots is non-existent at the moment, and will remain so for a long while yet. Still plenty of type rated people out there without a job. My advice would be get a job, pay off your uni debts, do your PPL and then wait and see what happens in the industry.
Chances are, IMHO, that the airlines are looking for someone a little more "rounded" and "broadened" rather then someone who has just done school-college-university, which is a very sheltered life.
Its a tough world out there and education, no matter to what standard, cannot prepare you for what it is like out there in the real world. The market place for wannabee pilots is non-existent at the moment, and will remain so for a long while yet. Still plenty of type rated people out there without a job. My advice would be get a job, pay off your uni debts, do your PPL and then wait and see what happens in the industry.
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BA Sponsoring again....
.....I doubt it!
Lets face it people, they ainīt gonna be offering what was the golden ticket again; and I very much doubt any such opportunities will come up again....
...Apart from the obvious CTC thing that people get excited about, even though its more or less the same as spending a load of cash you dont have in the hope of an airline providing you with a right hand seat! (Apart from the VERY LUCKY FEW...the chances are thats not you!)
From the looks of things here, there are too many people who canīt seem to face facts that the days of jumping straight into an airline job are gone.....and its just a case of joining the rat race with all the other ATPL wannabes out there. I mean look at the number of pilots on this site with their ATPLs and type ratings who havenīt got a job.
For those of you who are still VERY wet behind the ears with all of this and fresh out of school or university....GET A LIFE... or a taxi to HSBC! I see it all too many times...."I want to be a airline pilot" but what you should ask is FIRSTLY: "Have I got what it takes to become one!" People may have ATPLs and even have asked Mummy and Daddy to pay for the type rating too, but that doesnt mean youīll even pass the simplest of aptitude or personality tests!
Perhaps more people on here could be more realistic with their ambitions and look at starting with smaller aircraft operations and working up from there.... Alternatively if you arenīt wearing double glazing, perhaps the RAF if flying is what you want (but they have tests that are more taxing than anything youīll get for an airline! So it aint no walk in the park!)
Yes this is a long one, but just trying to make some people realise that they perhaps should look at themselves first and ask themselves if they are cut out for the job and indeed if they have what it takes to not just get a licence, but also make it through an airline selection! (The latter seems to be missed out all too often!)
Life can be a shītter sometimes!
Back to filling in those MacDonald application forms again!
PS TIMZSTA: everyone Iīve met who have been sponsored of late have degrees...... so - unless you are someone who actively recruits for airlines - shut it!
Lets face it people, they ainīt gonna be offering what was the golden ticket again; and I very much doubt any such opportunities will come up again....
...Apart from the obvious CTC thing that people get excited about, even though its more or less the same as spending a load of cash you dont have in the hope of an airline providing you with a right hand seat! (Apart from the VERY LUCKY FEW...the chances are thats not you!)
From the looks of things here, there are too many people who canīt seem to face facts that the days of jumping straight into an airline job are gone.....and its just a case of joining the rat race with all the other ATPL wannabes out there. I mean look at the number of pilots on this site with their ATPLs and type ratings who havenīt got a job.
For those of you who are still VERY wet behind the ears with all of this and fresh out of school or university....GET A LIFE... or a taxi to HSBC! I see it all too many times...."I want to be a airline pilot" but what you should ask is FIRSTLY: "Have I got what it takes to become one!" People may have ATPLs and even have asked Mummy and Daddy to pay for the type rating too, but that doesnt mean youīll even pass the simplest of aptitude or personality tests!
Perhaps more people on here could be more realistic with their ambitions and look at starting with smaller aircraft operations and working up from there.... Alternatively if you arenīt wearing double glazing, perhaps the RAF if flying is what you want (but they have tests that are more taxing than anything youīll get for an airline! So it aint no walk in the park!)
Yes this is a long one, but just trying to make some people realise that they perhaps should look at themselves first and ask themselves if they are cut out for the job and indeed if they have what it takes to not just get a licence, but also make it through an airline selection! (The latter seems to be missed out all too often!)
Life can be a shītter sometimes!
Back to filling in those MacDonald application forms again!
PS TIMZSTA: everyone Iīve met who have been sponsored of late have degrees...... so - unless you are someone who actively recruits for airlines - shut it!
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Seriously, try BA.
Ring, and if you get fobbed off (i was) keep trying. Itīs part of their test. Rumour has it itīs 3 times and youīre in. THen itīs applications away. Be quick though.
And know how to present yourself, stage 1 aint easy...
Paul...
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Ring, and if you get fobbed off (i was) keep trying. Itīs part of their test. Rumour has it itīs 3 times and youīre in. THen itīs applications away. Be quick though.
And know how to present yourself, stage 1 aint easy...
Paul...
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BA recruitment was rumoured within the company last year to begin this autumn. We are now there with not a peep, so bets are off until even later it would appear - it would be a guess that 3-6 months is the latest estimate that is not likely to be certain by any means.
Timzsta - unfortately it would appear that people who are sponsoring and hae in the recent past will take the highest qualified people of those who are the best. As a result with few places even if there are great people without degrees it would appear that the great people with degrees are the ones who get the places, for whatever reason the airline is justifying.
In the last BA sponsorships that occurred there were very few non-graduates as a proportion and even they were not fresh out of school by any means - except one or two.
There is nothing wrong with hoping that is will re-occur, and I would doubt that BA will go for recruitment of frozen ATPLs in the near future either, as it has simply never been their policy. Cadets have been proven to be a low-cost asset in the long run, though if that holds true in the future we don't know.
Not everyone can afford to throw all their cash at training, nor are many people as risk-loving. Don't get jealous Zimbu as everyone else will get their with determination, whatever way, one day. Being more realistic also means, for many, not paying for a licence in a period with such a poor job market.
Paul has obviously never heard of Future Size and Shape, and the effects that it has had on the manpower reduction within BA. The only recruitment is internal - don't waste their time.
If you were for real, you would provide advice on how to present yourself and not give a simply flippant, useless sentence as 'know how to present yourself'. Bet your mates think you're a pratt.
Timzsta - unfortately it would appear that people who are sponsoring and hae in the recent past will take the highest qualified people of those who are the best. As a result with few places even if there are great people without degrees it would appear that the great people with degrees are the ones who get the places, for whatever reason the airline is justifying.
In the last BA sponsorships that occurred there were very few non-graduates as a proportion and even they were not fresh out of school by any means - except one or two.
There is nothing wrong with hoping that is will re-occur, and I would doubt that BA will go for recruitment of frozen ATPLs in the near future either, as it has simply never been their policy. Cadets have been proven to be a low-cost asset in the long run, though if that holds true in the future we don't know.
Not everyone can afford to throw all their cash at training, nor are many people as risk-loving. Don't get jealous Zimbu as everyone else will get their with determination, whatever way, one day. Being more realistic also means, for many, not paying for a licence in a period with such a poor job market.
Paul has obviously never heard of Future Size and Shape, and the effects that it has had on the manpower reduction within BA. The only recruitment is internal - don't waste their time.
If you were for real, you would provide advice on how to present yourself and not give a simply flippant, useless sentence as 'know how to present yourself'. Bet your mates think you're a pratt.
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Zimbu - you missed my point, which is a little disappointing considering that you have a degree I presume.
I would agree it is rare for people without degrees to get sponsored, but it is also rare for the airlines to take on people of age 21/22 who have not worked in industry yet. Education is one thing, but the airlines will want some evidence you have the ability to get up in the morning and go to work if you follow.
The rest of your post Zimbu was very good and I agree wholeheartedly.
I would agree it is rare for people without degrees to get sponsored, but it is also rare for the airlines to take on people of age 21/22 who have not worked in industry yet. Education is one thing, but the airlines will want some evidence you have the ability to get up in the morning and go to work if you follow.
The rest of your post Zimbu was very good and I agree wholeheartedly.
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Well chaps, it certainly was not impossible to be a non grad school leaver and get one of BA's "golden tickets", as I was one of those priviledged 20 year olds who got one of the last ones. However, it was slightly too late, as things went Pete Tong just 4 weeks before training was due to start. I'm sorry to say Jez that BA strongly urged me to reconsider my career choices.
What Zimbu says makes sense, the RAF is a great training ground, i'm certainly enjoying it at the moment. However, you will seriously need to improve your banter skills before even thinking of applying!
There is a theme running through here; it's a tough old world and an even tougher industry.
Best of luck though.
What Zimbu says makes sense, the RAF is a great training ground, i'm certainly enjoying it at the moment. However, you will seriously need to improve your banter skills before even thinking of applying!
There is a theme running through here; it's a tough old world and an even tougher industry.
Best of luck though.
