Jade Cargo
 

looking for some info on rosters, number of days off ,hotels downroute, general working conditions now that a new management team has taken over. thanks.

wait and see
 

The fact that you have not received any answers yet indicates that Jade is still very elusive with information.
With Chinese New Year on, it will all take longer anyway. When you deal with that culture, patience and nonjudgement will get you further than our western approach of asking 100 questions at one time and open emotions.
What I heard is that only 6 canididates passed the interviews in December 2007. One of which supposedly already took a job in HKG with Hong Kong Airlines, so thats 5 left out of 32. The pass rates equates to 19%...... it is a tough week and when you go there come with an open mind.
As to rostering, commuter packages, school and housing allowances and LOL there are still many questions, and I hope Jade will eventually put more light on these issues for all.

Jade Upgrade
 

Does anyone know about the upgrade policy at Jade? I know they have a program set up where you go to Shenzhen Airlines and then transfer back to Jade. I have heard "rumors" that once you sign that contract as a FO, you are stuck and they will hire Capt. before upgrading an FO who is ready.

Obviously, it still looks like Jade is a bit of a mystery.;)

Jade assessment
 

First of all guys don't shot me down, I've done a search and come up with nought.
Does anyone have any info on the ICAO test, and sim profile for captain applicants. Am off to Shenzen next month, and was looking for a heads up. Anything about the whole process would be great, by the way I wear glasses, how does this affect the so called 'astronaut' medical?
Thanks guys, and good luck to you all.

jade Screening
 

I was scheduled to attend the next screening. Then I was put on hold because my ATPL with 747 type had a limitation of Circl. appr.-VMC only. they said that was a problem. I also submitted a FAA temp. certificate because I just had a 757 type added. They prefer prefer the Wright Bros. permanent card.

Jade
 

I heard that AAI sent crews to China to fly the Jade machines as 2 of their own had to be repaired.
The new paydeal still sucks and it's good to see that only a few guys accept to fly/work for pocket money:D

I was offered an interview, even with the "VFR circling approach only" on my licence. The pay ain't bad, but having to work 20 or 21 days a month for that pay, ain't so great a deal. I figured that if i stayed where I'm at, and worked the extra 4 days, (to bring me to 21) I could make within $1000 of what Jade offered.

I have the most recent Jade offer for captains if anyone wants it, but be advised that it can change in a chinese second.
They have obviously tried to make the T&C's more palletable, but they are not enough to make me jump ship, even for the -400 rating.

The amaount they offer for intl. health insurance, is not enough to cover the cost. If i wanted to work in an office, I could get an office job, but thats not why I got into flying. I don't want to work in an office.

I suppose if you needed the job, and they said yes, i would go; but its not enough to entice me just yet.

zoner:

was the jade deal an "internal" announcement at evergreen? i haven't seen anything else online or in the press yet.

Yes it was. The bid sheets are out.

New Contract sucks
 

a word of caution to those wanting to join this company. Jade's new contract touted as progressive is nothing more than a blatant deception to attract unsuspecting pilots. You will be hit with a Chinese tax as high as 45% and those taking the commuting contract can expect to have a progressively debilitating and eroding contract due to a fixed rate of the RMB to USD adjusted every month. What you see attractive as gross figures are not what you can expect and the worst part is,THE MANAGEMENT ARE ELUSIVE AND WILL NOT DIVULGE TAX ISSUES UNTIL YOU ARE WELL AND TRULY IN.
STAY AWAY!!!!

Commuting contract?
 

Hi,
After the initial excitement of flying a shiny 744 and living somewhere different, the reality is you're living in a highly populated, heavily polluted city in communist China and a good commuter contract is essential for the longevity of some of its foriegn pilots. Jades contract falls short, especially beind linked to the USD. Current rate is 7.1 RMB/USD, I've heard it could be 6 RMB/USD by years end, a 15% reduction in effective pay( Jade says it will cover 50% of any loss, but it's still a loss). This combined with "commuters" getting less benefits than the "residents" makes it unattractive, and it's all for the PRIVILEGE of having 8 days off in a row. I wont say stay away, but do your sums and homework carefully,
Thanks

Jade Questions
 

Hello all,

I am scheduled for a Jade interview at the end of June 08 and stumbled upon this thread. Does anyone have any definitive answers about days on duty? commuting package? pay - specific to that 45% chinese tax I just read about, in lay terms, what do you actually get paid as an FO after taxes? the contract that is posted on the website seems ambiguous to me. quality of life? how many pilots are they hiring, have been hiring, etc? Anything might help before I drop a few grand trying to get there, expedite a visa, alienate my family, etc...

i.e. what am i getting myself into here?

any insight is greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Hi there!

Don't waste your time..:ugh::ugh: They got the Oasis rated guys and work it out how many crew would they need with only 6 aircrafts..??? :rolleyes:

Have a look at their website..... no recruitment.. :confused:

However good luck!!!

Happy landings. :ok:

Well, I was offered a Cruise Command position recently and I know a couple of items. They are still screening for pilots, as I have friends that were invited in both May and June. One could not make the June date and they asked to come in July. I suspect the DEC jobs are gone, as a result of the Oasis collapase, but who knows. I do know the recent wet lease to the Singapore cargo carrier will keep the 6th aircraft busy for at least a year and the Jade guys are flying it.
I have heard the fail rate at the screening is high, but don't have hard facts. I don't think some people take the physcological part very serious, and Jade puts a lot of stock in it.
I am still trying to get some answers about the rostering, etc. and will have to have them before I sign on.
My opinion about them is the current management team knows how to run a cargo airline and with the European backing it could turn out very well. Lufthansa Cargo is a big operator and can steer a lot of business their way as back haul into China. Another up side is you are working for them and not a contractor per se.
I am sure there are a lot of down sides, but will try to post what I find out along the way.

Just a couple of less desirable aspects of Jade. Firstly, the 2 week roster we get isn't worth the paper it's written on. They will change your days off regularly with minimum notice (only by email) which makes it virtually impossible to plan a life and if your a commuter, very hard to book flights home. Jades only priority is to get planes airbourne, the pilots roster is a very distant second. After many requests, there is still no seniority list. I think this is so they can bring in as many direct entry Captains/Cruise Captain without the FO's having a foot to stand on, so if you come as an FO, be prepared for a LONG wait for Command. If you come to Jade, have a lot of savings in the bank as you possibly could be on 20/50/70 % of your pay for quite a while as they try and get you line checked. Some get trained quick, some slow, it's very hit and miss. On a good note, they no longer connect the commuters pay to the US dollar. All I can say is that Jade's a stable job (if the chinese doctors reniew your medical).There are better out there, and worse.

Thanks

You will get 20% of your regular salary until you submitted all the required paper works (police clearance, previous employer background check, etc.); then you'll get 50% of your regular salary until you get the crew pass and resident card and then you'll get 70% of your regular salary until you get your chinese ATPL and after passing the line check.

Jade Cargo, Bank Guarantee
 

Does anyone know how the bank guarantee for Jade is secured? They told me it is about 50k USD, that seems like more money than I could get approved for. To much school debt.

JPU0509

Where, perchance did you get the $50K figure for the 744 type rating? From Jade?

Does anyone else have a current figure?

What's the current pay rate for PICC with Jade?

Trying to find a way out of AAI are you?
No info on JADE, but I just wanted to say HI.
I have fond memories of my 2 years at Saujana with AAI. Good times..
Happy hunting and I wish you all the luck in your endeavours...

Jade & Lufthansa
 

... in this long term economic reconstruction plan anybody has news on how Lufthansa will handle his 25% of Jade Cargo?

Thanks

Lufthansa has in place, a 30 year management contract of Jade.

. . . wow! Ambitious expectations. :rolleyes:

50k for a type rating in the 744 ? Crazy, you can get in the US for $13000:ok:

Hi,
does anyone know if they are planing any DEC soon or is it all PICC at the moment?

Well, one can only speculate :confused:
But since they cannot upgrade anybody, I guess they will eventually have to hire DEC's even though they said they would not.

Jade
 

Hey Guys,

Am interested to join Jade Cargo.
Can anybody give me details, how a commuting roster looks like and if the family members also get ID90 Tickets?

Tks cheers:}

even me trying to get in jade as FO...........
any idea on the requirements.......
BR
stone:ok:

Jade Cargo Recent update request
 

Please can anyone tell me what are the latest requirements for joining Jade without a type rating on the 744.Does one have to pay for their own conversion? How does it work, does the company guarantee a loan? Also is a commuting contract available, if so what is the rotation? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

If you have a type rating in a jet that is not available in China ( for example, B747-200, or CRJ-900 ), you need to purchase your own B747-400 type before starting class. Otherwise the company types you, and X amount is deducted from your check every month and then at the end of 3 years you get it back. For commuting you can do what is called a 20X. Basically have 10 days off in a row BUT you have to use your vacation to get that block. Keep in mind, things change almost daily but I believe that is the deal for now.

A PICC is, in the eyes of the CAAC, a fully qualified Captain. ALL check rides, either on the line or in the Sim are PIC. There is no such thing as a PICC as far as China law. When a flying with a heavy crew, The "Captain" logs 50% of the trip as PIC and the PICC logs 50% of the flight as PIC.

Why do they have PICC's? He's a cheap Captain. Will they ever upgrade? No

It's something the companies use to under pay a pilot that has the exact qualifications and sometimes more, than the PIC getting thousands more a month.

Jade Cargo
 

Thanks for the info on that Jaz .What do the guys in this position tend to do? do they go off and pay for a cheaper type rating ( I believe you can do one under $20k) or do they bite the bullet and hope they will last the 3 years?

I'm not really sure if a person gets a choice. If you have a type rating on an aircraft that is not available or no longer available to do your CAAC ATPL, for example, the B747 classic, CRJ900. Then you have no choice but to purchase your own type on the B747-400. If you have your PIC time in say a B767, they have that simulator available in China so you would do your ATPL on that one, and then Jade would type you on the B747-400, then withdraw a big chunk out every month for 3 years, after that time, it would be returned to you. Keep in mind, if you don't have any other prospects and decide to come to Jade as a picc, you will just be a babysitter. Once in a while, you will "be allowed" to take off and land, but it's not regular and it's slightly demeaning, in my experience.

Money not an issue to me.

After 3 years, we can choose to live or stay. Right?

Jade's minimum requirements
 

Hi,

According to Jade's website they are accepting applications for F/O's on the B747-400. The minimum requirement is 1000 hours total time.

Is this requirement realistic? It seems to be very low. I have 2200 hours total time including 1000 hours multi crew on a turboprop (Q400). What are my chances?

Is this the kind of experience level they are interested in? or do they want jet time, in particular wide bodied jets?

Any information regarding the experience levels of applicants would be great.

Thanks in advance.

Up to date Info
 

Can any Pilots working for Jade give an honest opinions/views on working for Jade. Lots of old threads on here but not much up to date info.

Do they allow Pilot crew members to jump seat on their days off?

What to expect if offered a interview?

What are they looking for at interview and how to pass it?

any up to date info appreciated.

website says looking for 20 F/O's, have some left or are they expanding etc.

Taxes
 

Make sure they pay 40+% income tax.:)

Jade Interview
 

Hi,well I've been invited for an interview, please if anyone can give me information on the interview procedure and any thing else to give me a heads up I would be most grateful if you could pm me. Thanks

"Do they allow Pilot crew members to jump seat on their days off?"

No jumpseating what so ever, there are some employee zone fares available on Lufthansa.

"What to expect if offered a interview?"

The first day is a basically a psych and computer based testing day. I've heard Lufthansa uses similar testing. There is about a 30% failure rate that day and you are notified that evening in your room if you need to go home. You can prepare to an extent but if you're a nut job, I'd think twice about wasting your time going. The Dr. is very sharp.

Then you have a sim check in a 737 NG. It's straight forward. steep turn, VOR approach, V1 cut to ILS, visual approach. You can use the A/P for most of it.

There is a "one on one" interview with some technical questions. It's fairly standard and no trick questions. It's mainly to get an idea of your personality.

The medical is usually the last thing you will do and it's pretty intense. If your in poor shape, high anything. Get it taken care of, if possible, before you go in.

It's a hard process and then once you make it through, the training lasts about 3 to 4 months and that is stress free. They want you to make it through and are very helpful.

Of the Chinese airlines, I'd say Jade is probably the best and that mainly has to do with the fact that there is a lot of foreign management and most of the pilots are expats. They are losing guys of course as the available jobs throughout the world are starting to increase. Jade has announced that there will be upgrades which is welcome news for the guys.

Good luck and if you didn't make it to the sept interviews, I'm thinking there will be more to come.....