its a shame for all the troops - like others have said this will turm out to be the best thing ever to happen to MOST of you.
lets hope aj and his mrs h. have the sense to realise its all the fault of the mobster (!) unless aj has turmed into an arsehole like mob but i doubt it.
question - personally id like to see mob rot in hell but am curious - is there anybody, ANYBODY at all who has a good word to say about him. aviation is a small world and i hope there's no place in it for him from now on.

how can people be so sickening??

In all of the many years I have viewed MOB has never been anything other than dedicated and I support he will bring EA back for us, personal insults are sickening at a time like this - to him and his very beautiful young lady good luck and also to all of the others at EA!!!!!!!

OVER AND OUT !!!!

nightfreight 1 where in company email does it say we're still being paid?:confused:

It doesn't, but as that would be a massive change in our circumstances, you have to assume that we are, for now anyway...

That's my theory. :uhoh:

Would deserves to be "Well Hung" Gimp kindly do us all a favour and please take some night school lessons on how to write and spell English.

Possum3

I know for a fact that AJ was sent a letter circa 2-3 years ago from the then planning manager detailing explicitly how MOB was F**king the job up and also the way he treated his staff.

the letter made it to AJ he spoke to MOB, mob then came down on manager like a ton of bricks and said "no more letters to AJ...EVER"(shortened version expletives removed)

way i see it AJ knew...he didnt care as long as the job got done and he made money, he didnt care how.

dedicated isn't a word i would use to describe MOB

consistent....probably

consistently abusive
consistently obnoxious
consistently not allowing people to get on with there work
consistently overselling capacity for little gain
consistently placing aircrew in awkward situations

viewer...i thing a more apt login for yourself would be blinkered

Getting out of Hand !!!!
 

Here Here !!!

But we must remember that his brains must be lower in his body than the rest of ours ... that must be why he is well hung ..


Sorry ops gimps... sorry ... I stand corrected ..... well hung ops gimp.... but the only stuff you have to say is abuse about management .. over and over again .... you have got out .. others havent .... but have given 110 percent in helping out ops and crewing to keep contracts going ..... and before you got out I am sure you were one of the ones that rang up asking for last minute favours ..... give us all a break ... doesnt matter how much slagging off u do .. we are going to have to live with the consequences of what happens with this Company and I told u so and this has been a long time coming helps no one in this situation !

I am one of the long suffering supporting spouses that gets waken up in strange hours of the morning .. doesnt moan when family commitments get changed at the last minute ... and frankly am getting hacked off with some of the comments you are making .... I aplogise to the moderator for sounding off !!!!

Come on guys and gals lets not let this just turn into a MOB bashing session. When I flew for Streamline/Emerald I never had anything to do with the bloke but I know that there's no smoke without fire. Anyhow, it's not getting anybody anywhere and what's done is done.

Is there anything good that can be salvaged from this mess? Afer all there is a neich out there for a 'cut price' freigh operation in the UK. Maybe Kevin is thinking of something. Lets hope so because of all his faults he was in my opinion a good businessman. The old Streamline wasn't the greatest employer but it did give a large number of pilots a foothold in the industry.

My condolancies go out to all the employees of Emerald. A sad episode indeed.

yeah at least he was approachable and would listen.
if he did set something up from the ruins of emerald that could be good.

i think its safe to say that Emerald as an airline is now gone along with the jobs.

I really hope it isnt but you have to be realistic,what company in there right mind is ever going to allow Emerald to freight for them again when they have been let down so badly with little to no warning of there ability to carry out the flying programme last thursday.

ToneThe Wone,
Hear, hear for Kevin. My understanding is that he had some kind of clause in the Streamline sale that should things fail....
If he is still keen, lets hope so for all of you.
I might even be tempted back into the fold myself.
Mind you, a pulled AOC can always be re-instated. It's not necessarily the end of the world.
Good luck guys and girls.

Gimp,
If things were as bad as you make them out to be then why on earth did you put up with it for 9 years, could it be that your lack of experience couldn't find you a proper job?

As soon as the sh1t started on my 2nd time around at Emerald, not from MOB who I hasten to add that I have never had a problem with, I promptly put my jacket on and went home, I found another job and started it within approximately 2 weeks?

The fool is the one who stays, the bigger fool is the one who stays for 9 years and then complains about it afterwards.

Phileas

I dont know ops gimp but maybe like me he enjoyed the work and thought emerald could be a good outfit.

notice my use of the word "could"

the grass roots staff were a fantastic bunch that came and went but it always seemed that the mis-management team was letting the side down miserably.

Shed Loads
Strange that, I was in talks with Emerald myself about going back. Funny how you remember the good bits and forget about the bad. Aviation has a way of getting in the blood. No disrespect to the people still waiting to hear their fates.

Germstone,
And how long did it take you to figure that out? I very much doubt that it took you 9 frigging years :)

First time around I was 36 y/o, second time around 42 ish y/o, I very much doubt that I was living with my parents and yes, i did/do have a mortgage etc.

i did 5 years there

gutted and under valued

If KH can put something together, it may well be one of the only hopes.

He's a hard business man, but seemed to know how to get the most out of people and let's face it, Streamline was a profitable concern until Emerald got hold of it.

How much did they pay? £5 mil? And in less than 4 years the fleet is half the size and falling apart and on the verge of disappearing for ever.

Could there be a white knight on the horizon? I don't know who'd they'd get who'd be brave (or daft) enough to take on the FOD's job. A poisioned chalice if there ever was and that's also dependant on the CAA approving the choice.

Does anyone know if Emerald are appealing the decision? I believe they have 14 days to do so.

As far as I know they are lodgeing an appeal today. But quite who is heading the appeal I have no idea.

Replying to Dada's post.

I have lots of good words for MOB, most of which you probably heard from me when I worked there and all of which are unprintable!!!

Doc C.

Lets hope Kevin H does come to the rescue. A good business man who I have a great deal of respect for. If anyone can get back it back on track Keven can. He knew the value of his employees and you could always talk to him and he would always listen (might not agree) but he'd listen.
He gave me my first chance and Streamline was a happy place to work.
"HAPPY DAYS BUDDIES"
I'm sure he would get the support of the 'Emerald' team.

As for the appeal maybe the mob'ster is driving down to Gatwick with his baseball bat as we speak.

Interesting to read that KH is back in the frame is there a possibility that money still owed for the Streamline takeover (alledgedly there are payments outstanding) could actually be Emeralds saviour ?

Oh incidently I fully expect Emerald to be back in the skies tonight or at the very latest tomorrow with a new Accountable manager at the helm.

You heard it here first:ok:

IM THE GREATEST
 

..................................... :)

EI, if that's the case, then that would be fantastic news. Emerald keeps going and MOB gets his marching orders....

Perfect!

Girlfriend? I thought he was married?... Or am I missing something?

I think viewer is taking the u know what .. wot tangled webs people weave!

I don't think it's even worth responding to him, There’s always one isn’t there:rolleyes:

Well whatever you think of the management I just hope that they can get the AOC back and we can just get back to work. Still no news.:(

Anybody any news on if they are any nearer to getting their AOC back for tonight yet?

Which part of planet zog are you from.
 

Well MOB, I must have dream't the conversion course on to fixed wing, If my memory is as good as I think it is I have never had the pleasure of meeting you, although reading what some of your ex employee's are saying I would have certainly remembered such a "well mannered and kind man". No I'm certainly not a pilot, the commissioning board at Cranwell didn't like the school I went to so was only offered SNCO entry, those out there who know will get the gist. My flying hours were substantial with Her Majesty's airline. It does make me wonder though why so many people dislike you, is it because? your an entrepaneur, a risk taker, a man who gives 200% to any co he works for, or just because they are all jealous of your taste in women.

Yo sensible bod, I don't really think MOB is MOB, I don't think MOB lives in Southend. I only know one person who does, and if it is him, then how are you doing mate. PM me

Still no flight plans filed for this evening so it dont look like they will be operating unless something changes very quickly. Any JEM ops/crewing bods got any news? Hope it gets resolved tomorrow.

Still In The Dark
 

I've just checked the company e-mail and nothing is on it YET! Although we have been sent some emCHIRP forms in hope of continued employment?

Perhaps we need to remember that this company pays our mortgages, provides money for our basic needs so that we can lead life style we choose.

I am amazed at reading the cheap shots some guys have been making over the last few days to settle up old scores, for one upmanship or trying to be clever. I frankly don't find this amusing at all. My livelihood is at stake. We all know by know what has caused this company to be subject to the CAA attention. I'm sure that you could find some other site to vent out your talents!

If anyone has any useful new information perhaps a lot of Emerald Crews, Engineers and Opps staff plus admin staff would like to know how their income is going to be affected! We are part of a team which should be pulling in the same direction.

I think Trill Flyer might be suggesting that the CAA pull an AOC on the strength of what the CAA may read on Pprune.

These times they are a changing ..............

Trill with all due respect,

Nothing that has been posted on here is likely to have any bearing on what has happened or will happen in the future.
I very much doubt that any FOI takes any notice of an unattributable internet message board.

There has been some things that this board has been useful for. I have many times warned people against buying a type rating from Emerald, the most recent was less than a week ago. Hopefully that just helped to save someone a lot of money and heartache.

There is naff all any of us can say to make it any easier and the fact that you come onto PPRUNE searching for information about the future of your own company is indeed very worrying. It's not PPRUNE's job to help you through this, rather I would have thought the caring sharing management bods would be keeping you all appraised of the situation.

Oh I forget, they couldn't give a fat rat's clacker for what any of you are feeling at the moment, unlike many of us here.
We maybe powerless to help any of you, but you certainly have my best wishes for a successful outcome to this farce. (Not that it actually helps anyone pay their mortgage.)

Aurigny to operate some of the JEM mailers from LGW to LPL for the next week.

Well the Accountable Manager has apparently now been sacked.

AJ will slot in as CEO and we await tomorrow who will take the Accountable Manager's role. My mole tells me one fleet will restart operations tomorrow must probably the SD3-60 although I think it remains to be seen how many routes will be viable after the fiasco.

Benair will certainly be operating the Scottish routes for the forseeable and that is a FACT, looks like some newspaper flights have gone to BAC who I hear are trying to bring into service some stored a/c to fill some gaps and are desprately trying to put some F27's back in the sky by all accounts

While it is EXCELLENT news that JEM will restart operations, just exactly what is left of their contracts to fly once the dust settles due to some astounding customer service neglect ?

lots of activity around the Emerald facility at EGNH today.


Lots of men in suits??????