Emerald latest??
 

Just looking for an update on the job situation at Emerald if anyone can help?? Whats the outlook for the 748?

cheers

windy!

On the same topic - would anyone have any information as to where the ATPs are going to be based ?

It looks like the ATP's are going to be based in LPL initially. After that, who knows?
Job wise? Not sure what's happening on the 748 fleet but I know they have had 6 resignations from the Shed fleet since late Nov/early Dec. I guess the employment situation will be clearer once the redundancy issue has been resolved. (With the resignation rate on the Shed I doubt it'll be a problem)

There may be a vacancy for a cleaner at head office soon

SSB

The cleaner's job has that been created to clean out the lockers of those made redundant

2 748 FO's have recently left Emerald for pastures new, along with 2 more and 4 Capt's have just left the fleet to go to the ATP. The 748 fleet remains at 14 aircraft and is desperately undercrewed, the situation made worse with the migration to the ATP. Crews have so many roster changes, they don't know whether they are coming or going and are constantly being requested to work days off.

Despite all this there seems to be a reluctance to take on more crew, when the programme completely falls down then something may get done about recruitment.

regards cz

I seriously doubt there will be any redundancies on either of the fleets. It was more than likely scare tactics all along to get the crews to keep quiet and do what they're told to.

What with more or less everyone desperate to leave I'm sure they'll be taking people onto both fleets in the near future.

atp news
 

does anyone no when emerald are planning to start there passenger flights again and were are they flying from and to

CZ,

No change there then, in either crew shortage or folks leaving.

They always were reluctant to hire sufficient crew and relied on ops/crewing being able to persuade people to work days off or to be able to trade days off and move the problem "to the right" for another shift to sort out.

Pilots seemed to use Emerald to buils hours before going to fly something shiney with a glass cockpit etc. Mind you, who can blame them?

It's a good place to build duty hours but there aren't so many going in the logbook

The way things are
 

Emerald airways has never been more to most than a stepping stone for Pilots wishing to get a start on the ladder, however there is a hardcore of Pilots who have been happy to work their days out for this airline.
Times are a changing at Emerald, even the hardcore are now fed up with the constant roster changes, badgering on days off and threats if they don't do what is asked of them.
Recently two First officers have left for pastures new (lucky them)
and four Captains and two First officers have been through the ground exam's on the ATP (and are now on office duties as they cannot return to the 748 fleet), this leaves Emerald 8 down on the 748 with no apparent planning having gone into place as to how they are to be replaced, this is leading to extra pressure on the rest of the 748 Pilots who where undercrewed even prior to losing these 8 people.
There was a threat of redundancy after losing the Royal mail contracts however Emerald appear to be doing the same if not more than prior to losing the contracts, emerald has in fact picked up another contract out of Aberdeen.
Currently Emerald is running significantly less than two crews an Aircraft on the 748 fleet.
My question is-- When is this going to end so we can get back to some sort of normality in our personal lives.
A warning to all who desire a job at Emerald, you might want your first airline job more than anything else in the world, having got a start you will very quickly become disillusioned
The FTL scheme is a legal maximum and not a target for the company to achieve.
I welcome any replies from Pilots in Emerald, I think this has gone on long enough.
I know all Pilots feel the same way about this and any replies of a critical nature will be dismissed as from the non Pilot community.

Happy days are here again!!!!!!

Another worthwhile post by dada I see......

However, before others slate him for this most recent contribution to an Emerald related discussion, it has to be noted that his opinions are at least consistent.......

Hmm ... a consistant to$$er ! :mad:

Maybe Dada is all that is espoused here, however, you have to admit that what he writes here is what most people who work/have worked there think about the way it is run. It's just a shame he can't put into real words his feelings and reasons. Mind you, years of juggling crews/broken aircraft and commercial stabbing the program in the back every 5 mins has probably melted his language chip beyond recognition.

Nothing seems to have changed. I haven't been there for many years now and count myself extremely lucky to have escaped. If dada has indeed warned people of this situation then management, especially very senior management, are unlikely to have listened as they just don't want to know. Never did and never will. Unlike big D, I will give a f'rinstance. Take the day the commercial manager came up to ops one afternoon and asked if there was any chance we could do a trip. Can't remember exactly where but somewhere in Norway rings a bell. After crewing and ops and everyone had a good look at the rosta it was decided we just had no way we could do it and still protect the flypro for the next couple of days. This was duly reported to him along with the reasons. Five mins later up he pops and tells us thet the trip is on and he knows we will somehow get a crew together and make the flypro work as well. We did the usual and begged, borrowed, offered extra days off etc and smartly moved the problem a couple of days to the right as usual, lest ops be in the dwang again with "he who must be obeyed" and be called the shower of stuff that dada keeps saying the place is.

It's not going to change until something drastic happens and that will be a crying shame as there are/were good people working there who are/were totally unappreciated and frequently abused both literally and verbally.

I know it's unpopular to agree with dada, but they really are the shower he suggests.

I'll take my pill now and I'm sure I'll feel better soon!

Civil Servant,

An interesting post.

So who exactly there is doing the verbal and "literal"(?) abuse ? And in what way ? ( "literal" suggests "physical" !)

In the instance you quoted, was pressure put on ops/crewing from the commercial manager who in turn was having his collar felt from above ? Surely if a trip is not viable because of the detriment to crews in the immediate period then someone should stand up and say no ?

Did the trip go-ahead ? What was the knock-on affect ?

When you say things won't change until something drastic happens ... in what way ?

Where is the underlying problem here ? There has to be a simple root cause that needs addressing ?

The M.D. What a Pr1*k!!

ghost rider,

No, no physical beatings as I perhaps may have unintentionally intimated, just a general bullying on the emotional level. Being made to feel worthless, being sworn at regularly and having ones working life being made a misery. I once saw a lady crying at her desk after having an early morning "morale booster" on the phone from a senior manager.

If you want to send me a private message I'm willing to discuss it more, but otherwise it would be a pointless exercise and perhaps being seen as trying to do mischief which I do not wish to do.

Civil,

Please check PMs

g-r,

Check your PMs

I'm trying to get a job there in ops to hopefully eventually get work on the 748. I actually got past the secretary the other day on the phone and spoke to somebody influential. Who do i send a cv to. Yes, I should have asked on hte blower but excitement got the better of me. Thanks, well you've got to start somewhere!

Those who do the hiring of pilots at EA take a very dim view of being bothered on the phone. It is not a good way to get a position!

The root cause
 

In reply to Ghost-rider, I thought the root cause of all the problems at Emerald was obvious.

Because one man on his own controls the whole shooting match it must be down to him (don't you think ?).

Happy days are here again (Not)

seems there are more who agree with dada than you might suspect. doesn't seem right he's been banned, it looks like he's being victimeyesd. can i say just a right shower or is that wrong too?

Free the Dada 1. His only crime was to tell the truth!!

A right shower
 

G-MANN, As a company and the way it operates-- the quote you gave is I feel not far from the truth, however the many people that work for this company are the nicest group of people collectively you could wish to meet and I'm not just talking about Pilots. Engineers, Ops staff, Admin staff etc all do a hard job (under the circumstances) and give 100%, but I feel this isn't good enough for higher management.

Happy days may be here again soon I just want to know when please ?????????


PS--- Please free the DADA 1

Agree with Giz A Job on veverything said in last post.


FREE DADA. He speaks the truth, if somewhat ineloquently.

So let me get this right ... do all those agreeing with Lala actually work for Emerald??

No idea if any of these guys work for Emerald. But Giz A job makes a fair comment.

All staff at Emerald work hard, but can be unappreciated. As a pilot, its a good place to build hours, experience and get a command, faster than most places.

Take your pick. There are very few airlines that actually have aircraft you still hand fly for the entire flight on raw data. We do. That takes skill. Starting a career here is a great way to build experience and a solid base for a career.

Unfortunately the constant roster changes, due to low crew, mean a very disrupted life. The low pay doesn't help either.

And as for Lala, Dada or Dopey, aren't we better off without him? Can't be bothered to say who he is or why he has such an axe to grind.

I don't recall dada (for that is his name - not Lala, he will be upset!) suggesting he has an axe to grind. Maybe he could see what was happening there and got out. He is, as we all are, entitled to an opinion. His views appear consistent with those of others on this thread and various Emerald threads from the past. He just has a slightly less subtle way of expressing them!

To be quite honest, the more I read about Emerald the more I tend to agree with dada. And I thought I had it bad!

I'M FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
no further comments from me, i hush my mouth.

Nice to see again you dada welcome back and im sure that comes from all of us. Well maybe not MOB anyway.

New colours for Emerald
Click here

and here

last one

Shed pic available on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!,

http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/photos/small/6/2/4/534426.jpg

What's that then, a quick cote of white paint and twenty quids worth of green squares, how tipically Emerald, sorry "emerald", cheap. I guess the capital letters must have been a bit steep. Still haven't got my expenses either!

Capt Jones - shame you feel the need to ridicule the new scheme - especially considering the amount of work put in by the FO who designed it - suppose that's the difference between those who try to make a difference and those who never will !!

I thought they were carpet tiles glued onto the fin and fuselage!!

So where's the logo gone?

Nice to see a fresh scheme, shame it couldn't be a little bolder! Now are they going to paint all the aircraft, or just one from each fleet?

Balpa recognition
 

At long last BALPA is starting to make its presence felt at Emerald, for too long the Pilots have been left without any formal representation, had the Company treated their Pilots fairly then there would never have been any need to go down this road.

Relationship between Pilots and Management have never been this low and its a sad day that BALPA have to come and mediate.

Effective Management could have sorted this out years ago but man management is sadly lacking in this company.

Emerald could be a great company to work for if it respected its staff and the continued effort people put in just to make it work.

The daily moral boosters Management dish out don't appear to be having the desired effect.

A happy workforce is a productive workforce.


Happy days are here again (soon)

If the F/O in question was paid properly in the first place he probably wouldn't have bothered, but then on that kind of money a grand makes a big difference.