Hello, I sat the Mollymawk tests but failed the spatial orientation one (ball in a rotating maze), allowed to have another go, failed again. That’s it, can reapply in 2 years. from reading this thread, I might have dodged a bullet. They seem to have a pilot shortage and put huge faIth in those tests... I’m a 4000+ hr regional airline Captain, never failed a sim, good record.... but I can’t steer a ball through a maze. I think I could practice that all my days and never pass it ! They have standards though so I have to suck it up. hey ho. Stay safe. |
I think you are correct dodging the bullet, 5 Type Rated pilots interviewed this month all current and qualified and operating for other carriers. All made it through day after day after day of selection stuff.....group excercises, role playing, technical exam, interviews, extensive medicals etc etc etc....all made it to sim and guess what? no one passed and no one offered a job!
Must be the only place you actually give BLOOD and do not get offered a job. Conclusion is and we were advised this is all purposeful, they do not want to employ people and want to keep short of pilots to drive the working agreement and salary upwards. They do not care that they waste a lot of your time and money over and over ....more than 3000 euros in all to attend these exams and interviews, for nothing. the law of averages says at least 1 person should have been offered a job if all was kosha. Don't waste your time and money guys unless you really want to go there, if so wait until after the new working agreement is ratified. |
Originally Posted by flydog
(Post 10322220)
Conclusion is and we were advised this is all purposeful, they do not want to employ people and want to keep short of pilots to drive the working agreement and salary upwards
Maybe the word from somebody who was recently successful and was offered the job would help. Could you tell us how many of your badge passed ? I am in between Mollymawk and the 3 days in house. Thanks |
I really don't think CLX want to keep short of pilots by purposely failing candidates. KLM needs plenty (hundreds) of pilots in the incoming future, so many guys would leave if called. Just read the previous posts to guess why. On top of that, many of our guys are going to retire in the next five to ten years. New aeroplanes are coming the next year, too. Thereby, we need people. I am personally ashamed of the tear and wear that you are going through to join us. I wish you had the same conditions as me, which you deserve, for sure. I'm extremely sorry for the hassle.
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Originally Posted by Procusto
(Post 10322883)
I really don't think CLX want to keep short of pilots by purposely failing candidates. KLM needs plenty (hundreds) of pilots in the incoming future, so many guys would leave if called. Just read the previous posts to guess why. On top of that, many of our guys are going to retire in the next five to ten years. New aeroplanes are coming the next year, too. Thereby, we need people. I am personally ashamed of the tear and wear that you are going through to join us. I wish you had the same conditions as me, which you deserve, for sure. I'm extremely sorry for the hassle.
Sometime i think my wish to join cargo is to be tired of flying pax, and the problems associated to this. About new planes , 3 more B744, next year, probably from NCA-NIPPON CARGO AIRLINES? As they said after a great inspection and a restructuring plan the only want to operate the 747-8. The first year salaries are quite low, and living cost in Luxembourg is very high. Luxembourg is a nice country , i like it. With family with 2 children you have the state aid, per month, but house renting is huge. What the average salary expected NET? If you accept to work out of your roster, how ,much can you take home? I see quite often the operation in FR24, i believe that you never do the same flight. Always a challenge. So variable. Today there where some curious flights, TPE-BKK, BAH-SGN,LUX-CGO, crossing the world every time , tonight 2 aircraft at same time ANC-ORD (LX-ECV and LX-VCM(Cutaway Livery) but "on the other side of the coin” a lot of delays. |
can anybody explain me the assessment in what consist, and how to prepare for the this mollymawk test? ....
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Originally Posted by J74
(Post 10325723)
can anybody explain me the assessment in what consist, and how to prepare for the this mollymawk test? ....
I know SkyTest added the maze test in one of their software, but can't tell about the others. |
Banana joe,
thanks for reply... is really so expensive this test preparation?!! Ans is really helpful to pass the test in Cargolux? how are the level of difficulty? |
Originally Posted by J74
(Post 10325775)
Banana joe,
thanks for reply... is really so expensive this test preparation?!! Ans is really helpful to pass the test in Cargolux? how are the level of difficulty? |
Trancada, with all the extra’s and per diems you roughly earn nett what you earn gross in the first year. You might work the ocassional extra day but bear in mind that you do not have many days at home as it is. Especially if you bring your family over you might treasure your time at home more than a few extra euro’s. Believe me, crewcontrol will use you to the max anyway! Expect many changes and massive delays! If I were you I would wait until the CWA negotiations have ended. Whatever kind of experience you have, as long as you fulfill min req’s you should get an invite. Many guys here with only Airbus experience. I do not believe they fail people on purpose. You receive a package from CLX to prepare mollymawk. No need to fork out hundreds of euro’s. The selection is tough but doable. |
Food for thought: https://theloadstar.co.uk/china-us-t...e-back-burner/ CEO envisions that CLX aircraft will be parked in 2020 due to recession. Cargolux China project is stopped indefinitely. However we need way more people to join CLX who are willing to work under the B-scale conditions! Please join and make my rosters stable again! At the moment my schedule changes on an hourly basis (no kidding). :} Same time new guys are leaving again which puts more strain on the training department. |
The Molly ask prep is provided and is not difficult, you just have to dedicate time to doing it. Multiple flights
to findel however are very expensive, as are the hotels, they will offer a company rate but the hotels will be full so you have to pay full rate somewhere and that is expensive. You will need to stay close or have rental car expense also expensive to go to your medical. As mentioned previously no one is offered a job at the end of it that I have heard of and that is 12 people in the last 2 months 7 of whom type rated and current ( maybe more) this is only the one I know about and have emails from. 8 of us are back on type with other companies the other guys returned to 767 757 737 so think carefully if you really want this job before you waste YOUR time and YOUR money on what appears to be a futile exercise, so they can report back “ there are no suitable candidates applying, we need a pay rise so we can offer money money |
Should say more money |
He is referring to the SIM instructors intentionally failing candidates, to show management that there are no suitable guys and gals
Therefore more leverage to ask for pay rise. He is warning people to not waste their time and money on applying for this job, since it would be a fail anyway, regardless of their performance. If I understood that right |
Confirmed in what aeroshizzle says. for couch potatoe, pay attention ....pilot pay rise means instructors even bigger pay rise.....the assessors are PILOTS, and if a whole bunch of others pilots current and qualified on type ....all operating safely elsewhere can pass everything Cargolux can throw at them over 5 days EXCEPT the sim assessment.....coincidently the only part of the assessment done by PILOTS ..........where does the problem lie. 5 other companies and 7 other aviation authorities have approved those applicant pilots ability to safely operate the B747 but Cargolux assessors say NO they are not. Either they think themselves elitist OR it could be that they are saying their own training department is not up to the task of training those people to Cargolux standard! You decide, do they think they are really something special that the rest of us really cannot make the grade or are they not special enough that their trainers are not able to train current qualified pilots with proven track records. There is a problem somewhere within Cargolux because the people showing up are motivated or they would not have put themselves through all the time and expense required if they were not serious applicants. i will stick with the original theory, that they are being failed at the end on purpose,as previously stated the law of averages says some should have made it. the comforting thought is that eventually they will have to hire some people and those people will grab the type rating and then realize they have a long haul job with many roster changes and they will leave as soon as they can get another job. They usual Whitney ass ...I want a quality of life and to be at home more! this will cost the company a lot of money, when they could have had pilots who have previous experience of rosters lasting 1 day...the day it is issued, being away 6 or 7 weeks at a time due to roster changes, days off almost always down route somewhere., flying aircraft this aircraft without an auto pilot or maybe without FMS and to remote areas of the world you only heard of that day. Where No one does your figures for you etc etc etc. but hey, all training expenses are tax deductible, right! |
ehm flydog, I’m pretty certain your reasoning is completely off the mark. Then again, you seem to be an expert candidate in selections as you seem to have applied for plenty of airlines in the last years. Seeing your reaction here it was perhaps a wise decision they did not hire you. The people running your sim look at many more things than your raw data skills, (and have been doing so for a good while) and simply found something which made them think you wouldn’t be a good addition the team. Did you ask them why they didn’t offer you a contract? |
Originally Posted by flydog
(Post 10351958)
...the law of averages says some should have made it.
.....this is a holy truth !!! Flydog is not the first one "suggesting" numbers don't match. This subject was touched before not too many pages behind..... Even focusing on something else I come to the same conclusion and must agree that something is "strange" to say the least.... The on going recruitment has been open for nearly 2 years now. The first invitations to the Mollimawk must have started in the first quarter of 2017.....and nearly 2 years later pilots are still being invited for the process at the rate of what....4-5 per week if not more ? For a need of how many pilots ? With a fleet of 23 or 24 ? Sounds a looooong time to find suitable candidates. It takes much less to NASA in finding suitable astronauts !!! So, let's be realistic.....something is not right. |
You might also find a problem in the pilot group. Some think they are entitled to much more than they really are. Wrong, you need to earn that over time.
Companies have changed a lot from 'past times'. Working for a well-known name and under union contract doesn't mean a dream job anymore. |
Originally Posted by final06
(Post 10343329)
Food for thought: https://theloadstar.co.uk/china-us-t...e-back-burner/ CEO envisions that CLX aircraft will be parked in 2020 due to recession. “If there is overcapacity, we still have fleet flexibility and we can park aircraft at no cost just to keep that flexibility." |
pilot expo
Anybody going to the pilot expo in Berlin?
They sent their very own Cargolux ambassador Wondered what they had to say |
New T&C's or CWA ?
...to the active duty pilots in CLX....it got awfully quiet in the last couple of months. No more complains and hardly any comments.
Pages ago some of your were talking about negotiations in progress from a while with managment to improve overall conditions. To my experience when there are no more complains people are happier or just gave up hoping....which one is it ? Thanks |
Originally Posted by johnny73
(Post 10443508)
...to the active duty pilots in CLX....it got awfully quiet in the last couple of months. No more complains and hardly any comments.
Pages ago some of your were talking about negotiations in progress from a while with managment to improve overall conditions. To my experience when there are no more complains people are happier or just gave up hoping....which one is it ? Thanks |
3 extra tnt freighters. Does CLX have enough crews? |
No. Not even enough crews for the existing fleet. CLX has difficulties to recruit new pilots. The few that eventually start the course (IF they show up at all for the course) come from precarious employment situations and seem to be happy to accept rosters that are being changed on an hourly basis creating total havoc in your mind and private life. B-scalers lose salary worth appr. 1 Million € over the span of a career compared to the regular guys. Another thing not easy to cope with on the long run. Management will not do any concessions for the next CWA and the union is acting helplessly. More questions anyone? |
Originally Posted by final06
(Post 10460685)
No. Not even enough crews for the existing fleet. CLX has difficulties to recruit new pilots. The few that eventually start the course (IF they show up at all for the course) come from precarious employment situations and seem to be happy to accept rosters that are being changed on an hourly basis creating total havoc in your mind and private life. B-scalers lose salary worth appr. 1 Million € over the span of a career compared to the regular guys. Another thing not easy to cope with on the long run. Management will not do any concessions for the next CWA and the union is acting helplessly. More questions anyone? |
A certain group of Cargolux pilots, whether or not they belong to the ALPL, undercuts representation and collective bargaining by making themselves available for work (selling OFF and/or VAC days during the actual period of “work to rule“) thus effectively lessening its power as a bargaining tool. Unfortunately CLX management can rely on a large pool of this kind of characters at their disposal. (And this by the way is how CLX plans to crew 3 more aircraft without hiring more pilots.) |
Those are some pretty nice hotels
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...that you will spend in most of the time in a coma....but true. Have seen a lot of them by myself in a different, more horrible, life. Good Hotels do NOT change a bad job into something nice.
2 FO at my current base(737 loco operator here in Europe) left Cargolux around a year ago. Said their rosters have been just horrible, combined with permantent night flying, not really that much time back home with the family(which lived OFF base). Both of them have wife and kids. And are really happy here at our loco ops which is as well far away from being a dream job BUT they are very happy, never think back to Cargolux. The only thing the might miss a bit is the 747(understandably). They agreed as well that the accomodation was normally top shelf, which should be a normal thing if you consider how much time you spend away from home. |
Cargolux considers A350 or the B777x.
The A350 is a surprise . https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...edium=facebook |
Hi guys sorry for the small OT, I posted the same question on the Italian group without any reply. Is there anyone that has received an answer from Cargolux Italia? I have made the application more than 1 month ago but still no reply at all. i think they opened the application for FO and SFO many months ago. many thanks in advance. |
Today I heard that this company gives preferences to candidates with multinationals pilots experience like RYANNAIR , Easyjet as they have the same working environment. And the company policy maintains in high standards. Candidates from traditional airlines with only one nationality are excluded or never been called . They come with more rooted defects. With more ore nationalities the standards are more rigid to avoid communication problems and maintain flight safety at a high level. |
Who are you
Originally Posted by trancada
(Post 10512756)
Today I heard that this company gives preferences to candidates with multinationals pilots experience like RYANNAIR , Easyjet as they have the same working environment. And the company policy maintains in high standards. Candidates from traditional airlines with only one nationality are excluded or never been called . They come with more rooted defects. With more ore nationalities the standards are more rigid to avoid communication problems and maintain flight safety at a high level. |
Originally Posted by HURZ
(Post 10516011)
I am really wonderig who you are..? You comment on so many CV postst... Why? Are you a wannabe? your last post suggests you have no idea what CV is all about. It was once maybe the greatest company in Europe but nowadays it‘´s just a job. Decent contract needed?? Stay in Japan and don’t dream of a job in the EU. Goldem times here are over! There are a lot of people who would like to be called even to go to the interview, but they can not. And this is reflected here. If you are speaking ill of me, I think you should read the other comments better. |
Originally Posted by final06
(Post 10498191)
A certain group of Cargolux pilots, whether or not they belong to the ALPL, undercuts representation and collective bargaining by making themselves available for work (selling OFF and/or VAC days during the actual period of “work to rule“) thus effectively lessening its power as a bargaining tool. Unfortunately CLX management can rely on a large pool of this kind of characters at their disposal. (And this by the way is how CLX plans to crew 3 more aircraft without hiring more pilots.) Attached an actual sample of an illegal roster consisting of 3 back-to-back trips: |
Are you talking about Fernando di Marco his roster :\
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Originally Posted by fda747
(Post 10526082)
Are you talking about Fernando di Marco his roster :\
Crew driver was not amused and reported this guy to the airport authorities who came back to CLX who in turn offered him immediate dismissal or retraining as copilot. :D Years ago he already failed a colleague in the simulator for no reason because of a private disagreement. Training department immediately relieved him from his duties as TRI/TRE. :D What actually bothers me is the fact that this guy claims to be pro ALPL, but is selling his OFF days left, right and center behind our backs. During discussions he shows all characteristics of an “agent provocateur“. := |
Good news! A new collective work agreement has been agreed between Cargolux management and the unions. Including a pay increase and significantly improved conditions for new hires, 12 off days per month plus 42 vacation days. Various part time schemes etc... Looks like 2 years of record profits are paying off!
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Originally Posted by Final 24
(Post 10535277)
Looks like 2 years of record profits are paying off!
Overall I don't see an improvement for those who have been here for a while. After "2 years of record profits" that's disappointing. |
I concur. Extremely disappointed by the result of the negotiations. With the new bidding procedure and other ´amenities´, like the 18hrs duty hours positioning after operating, is going to be interesting. Plenty of layovers are gone: we will sleep on the airplane. Lets wait and see the final wording: is way too early to claim that this CWA is a huge improvement. It is worse than the one we had before 2015. Plenty of issues, like the roster instability, are unaddressed.... |
Roster instability comes from the fact that we do not have enough pilots and the so called “colleagues“ who sell their OFF- and VAC-days. These guys get the nice trips you will never have! Edit: Management is doing their job. Very efficiently in the light of weak unions. Our worst enemy always was and continues to be our own toxic, shortsighted and selfish colleagues who seek their advantage on the back of their co-workers. Without these guys we would not have the problems we have since 2015. Since I do not intend to fly the sh*t for the next 25 years and ruin my health I am now taking a more proactive approach in order to solve this problem. Also I don‘t care any more about incompetent ALPL :mad:, lousy CWAs :ugh: or EASA FTLs :ugh:. I simply adjust my rosters to what I am physically and mentally able to do by reporting ‘unfit to fly‘ and writing proactive fatigue reports on a regular basis. As a result my rosters look pretty decent now. :} |
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