Why did they have to sign a new CLA with such bad conditions for new pilots when they made 48 million USD profit in 2015?

How was your DLR?

Did you find any differences from the CBT? They all run at level 3 during the assessment?

What about the ATPL questions? As Far as I know there should be System, Meteo, Air Law, Nav, Inst and Human Perf. Did you find any other topic?

Good job!! Congratulation!

I'm going to Hamburg in 3 weeks.
Keep in touch...let me know when they call you for the sim..

Take care.

F.

About Cargolux China, did you hear anything ?

CargoLux China

They will be using DLR to conduct assesments for both DEC and DEFO. Wether its the astronaut level , who knows , but unlikely that the experienced DEC's they require will be much under 40, and perhaps will be more challenged by this kind of ab- initio style of assesments.

I think there will be a chicken and egg senario at play here. The guys who are assesed by DLR, and are successful , then need then to pass the CAAC medical. This Medical designed for a 21 year old air force recruit, and the many MRI scans and blood tests, stress ECG s to name a few. Many will not pass.
So do Cargolux really need to send pilots to get the CAAC medicals first , then send them to DLR for screening?

Its going to be an interesting selection process. No wonder on the email that is sent out says it may be months before you hear back from them .
No doubt they will have to process alot of crew to ensure that they get the 100 or so required to start operations . You could still fail the medical 6 or 12 months down the line and there's zero Cargolux could do to facilitate your return to line . Worth giving up a stable european career for?

Yes it will. I have heard bad stories about CAAC Medicals. Some corruptions cases between employers and CAAC when they want to dismiss a pilot.

All kinds of excuses serves. After arriving in Europe or the United States and finally they are able to fly.

Since YOU heard them, they must be true, judged by your command of the english language you are the true institution to evaluate international procedures, not that I basically contest your quote.
I'd wish pilot exams would include the ability to form full sentences those
days, god bless computer tests since they seem to not need basic
contents of a full sentence to pass them. 'I can fly plane but chinese bad because other demand but me have level 6 and he no have'.

Isn't is " these days" ;)

Semantics apart, i understand that Chinese carriers all rubber stamp their pilots as ICAO english level 6 . Well why not , it saves the cost of re testing and proves that a chinese pilot's understanding of ATC comms cannot be in doubt , so any comprehension problems must be someone elses fault.

Its a blame culture in China, that being blame everyone else .
Good luck !

You're absolutely right but I sincerely do contest quotes that couldn't even produce a proper sentence being of the 'I heard type' got told, maybe,never been anywhere near!
Thanks for the correction anyway!

;):D
Mea culpa!

DLR
 

Hi Gents,
I'm invited for DLR in 4 weeks time. What is the best way to prepare? Still skytest? As I understand some of the excercises of skytest are a bit outdated. Anyone can provide any inputt?
Cheers

Use the cbt's provided

Thanks jeehaa. That I will do for sure. I'm thinking using skytest too. Have used it years ago and succesfully passed for another company. Would you advise that as well or has it all changed since? Thanks

I think that the CBT's reflect the actual tests better than anything else as they are programmed and distributed by the DLR center itself. The looks are the same, as is the operation of the apps.

So whats the word from cargolux pilots about the china operation? On paper it looks like it suits me but im mid thirties with a narrow body command looking to move back to europe and would join as an fo. Thats ok if i could upgrade within say 5 years. Like the roster/plane/company, but is there something ive missed???

Thanks for all 'informed' opinions

I wouldn't know but I think it's really hard to predict the time to command anyway, even more with a start up. But then again, I am not "informed". Easyjet, Norwegian, Ryanair, Transavia, Jet2 and more all offering DEC if a (fast) command is what you are after. But you can always apply and see.

@standardbrief
CV China does not exist yet. It is a project.
Not talking about an AOC or airframes.
Consequently they wil not issue contracts at the moment.
To be able to fly as Commander in China you need previous experience. Unlikely that there will be upgrades IMHO.
They did a roadshow in Berlin. Result: Zero
Will CV China have a bright future?
Nobody knows.
Did you read the latest news about chinese economy?

Thanks for reply guys I already have a few tho hrs in the left seat of a narrowbody jet but no widebody time so im not looking at cargolux for the command, but I get what your saying theirs no guarantees of coarse. Wouldn't really care if I didnt have rugrats to pay for!

@final06 interesting point lets hope the office dwellers at cargolux have done their homework on china for the sake of all the people who do take the job.

A three day in a row assessment seems kinda full on and a long way to travel for me but will marinade on it a while

Guys Cargolux is a nice company but not for the command that it takes at least 12-13 years so do not consider it for your upgrade.

Nice company? Are you joking? Just use the google search function to know more about this company. You`ll be treated like **** - get fired when you are sick too often. Roster is changing continuously up to four times a day! You`ll end up more than 21 days away from home with a lot of flights all around the world! This is not the company anymore where you can retire. People are leaving, looking for other options. A lot of pilots are loosing there medicals because they cannot cope anymore with all this. You have been warned!

@rotorhead....What a tremendous load of crab. The 4 pilots were not fired because they were sick too often...they were fired because they were not sick, despite claiming to be so. Right by the book....get your facts in order.
Roster is changing because that is the bread and butter for any cargo airline, and by contract you are available 19 days per roster period. If you can't take it, then leave and go back to SN...they did really well....

Could someone confirm if "MIC - Dynamic Coordination" is part of the DLR assessment for Cargolux? It's not in the CBT provided. Thank you very much.

30N30W....if you are part of the CLX family you should know.

@hawkeye i know three of the four fired pilots very well! So be cautious what you say! There was a big fight between pilot union and management. Sick rate in general was/is hight. Management hired privat investigators to illegally spy on all pilots who called in sick between Jan 2015 and March 2015. They want to frighten the pilot group not to call in sick anymore - that was the main reason and they were all sick but left home within the first five days (according to a guideline from the Luxembourgish health insurance you should stay at home the first five days) But this is not a breach of law that allows flight ops management to kick you out after 18 years of being in the company! Nobody of them had a warning letter. Clean record! This are the facts! But let´s wait what will come out of the court cases. I am confident!

Yes it is part of the DLR assessment.

rotorcloud...you are a fool....when you hide behind aliases like PPrune you are not really aware of who you are talking to, are you ?...I may just be a person with very inside knowledge of the entire situation, and trust me, all 4 violated the rules of the Caisse de Maladie...not once, not twice but on several occasions....

don`t get abusive my friend! I know the facts. And i don`t get a **** to whom i am talking to! You are definitely NOT a colleague of the Cargolux pilot group. Otherwise you would`t talk like this behind the back of these illegally fired gentleman.

I am indeed...and these colleagues were NOT fired illegally. You can argue about the methods to expose them (which were despicable), but what they did was a crystal clear violation of the Caisse de Maladie rules, which in turn is a fault graves, ie. a dismissible offense. Check your CWA buddy....

Sorry but this is definitely NOT fault graves! If you intentionally damage an aircraft or steal something - yes. But this here is something completely different. And by the way these caisse de malady guidelines are not applicable outside luxemburg. What a joke is this? You have a sinusite, you`ll get antibiotiques that won`t allow you to fly for two weeks. Then you go out on your third day of sickness to buy some food in the supermarket and get fired immediately without any pre warning!???
But please let the court decide. Be aware that in Luxembourg court cases take up to five years. Even if you are fired illegally - it takes a looong time. Management knows that and strengthens their strategy of management by fear.

Hey kim... Im unsure of this cbtthat u are referring to.. Where du get it from? Have u been imvited fpr an interview already buddy?

Only for DLR. They provide you with a CBT when you are invited.

Hey Gents, what is the latest on the Cargoluc china deal, I saw the package. Is anyone actually already flying there?also, what's with the tax in china, being a european ?

Thnx Kim.. How about the Chinese ATPL.. Do u have any Chinese ATPL study material yourself?

Question about DLR. In the handout I received from DLR they mention a "Physics / Basic Knowledge" test. Does that also apply for the DLR for Cargolux or is that only for future students of Lufthansa FA? If yes, what level is required for the Physics test? Secondary school is a very long time ago!

As DEP you will not get Physics. Instead you'll get some ATPL questions.

Thankd Capt. Weird! I was a afraid I had to quote some obscure laws from way back when!

Someone who did DLR in Hamburg recently remember any test of mind calculation?

About Math, the excercises are completely different than those which are sent via email.
I have found them quite harder especially because are time limited and I didn't finish all of them.

Hi guys, first my two cents:
I went to the DLR last month, its a tricky long day but we all can pass (I did!).
I didn't had amazing scores in the CBT provided (I thought quite bad in MEK and RMS), but hey, I did received the yes!
In the actual test the level increases with time, and as the colleagues said, they go up to the max level in CBT's (roughly).
Some differences, for example in Math some of the questions were NON multiple choice, and the time available is not too much as usual, so apply usual "test procedures" of skipping and then reviewing long questions back. There were no mind calculation or basic knowledge tests, also, no interview whatsoever.
There were also some psychological tests to check your profile, as usual many questions in not-so-many minutes.
The English test was quite to a standard, some of the questions where local expressions or old English, but can be done specially if you have lived in an English country.
The MIC is good fun, is just a game, not related to a plane or simulator you could practice. As the brief says, you have an altimeter, a compass and an anemometer, and they all move up and down as they wise, every time you managed to "compensate" it the dials just move away requiring more input, is just for checking your scan. Also you have the monitoring task, but it has a good pace and can be done.

Just be well rested and relaxed, they are just tests not the actual Cargolux interview. I don't recommend travelling there in the same day, and for the way back the tests ends around 1630-1700 for real, so keep that in mind.

For the new guys, good luck!

Now I need to ask, is there anybody in/around CLX who could provide the forum (or PM me) with the new Collective Work Agreement? The job offer is great as they say conditions "as per CWA" but then there is no way of getting it... Here in my country they are all public, but seems like they have different policies there...
Thank you!