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AirLander take off then 2nd Flight Mishap

Old 26th Aug 2016, 20:42
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Core dump - a telegraph pole generally carries a telephone line or electricity line.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 20:56
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Core dump - a telegraph pole generally carries a telephone line or electricity line.
I guess that sounds nice and quaint, while "utility" pole sounds so mundane...

Very glad no one got hurt in the prang. I'm not really sure where this whole business will wind up, but it's a fascinating show in the meantime.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 21:29
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The company apparently IMMEDIATELY denied a witness report that it had struck power lines.

Why?
fin, I think what happened was, the Daily Wail phone the company and told them the news. The reply was: NO! which I view as entirely understandable.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 22:19
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
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Given the quoted economics of the Airlander difficult to see how a positioning flight from the states, followed by a revenue flight of three hours, followed by the empty return flight would be cheaper than the Lander
Ummm, yeah. Obviously a long repositioning flight for a shrot charter is pretty unlikely to make sense in most cases. Although I have positioned empty from the Northeastern US to Santiago, to pick up a process vessel for a gold mine in Mauritania, the lack of which had halted production. The manager of the gold mine was there when we unloaded it, and he commented that it would take about 2 days to pay for the charter, which is why they were willing to pay to fly to Chile to pick it up. Anyway, that a bit of a thangent. You're kind of missing the point of my post. The point is, your post claiming the Airlander would be quicker than trying to arrange a heavy-lift aircraft is based in the idea that the Airlander is magically going to be there immediately, right exactly exactly when you need it, ready to start loading, but a heavy lift aircraft will have to be arranged and positioned. In other words, you want to compare the payload flight only of the airlander, to the whole process of arranging an ad-hoc charter when considering a heavy lift aircraft. In Ad-Hoc service the Airlander also will have to be arranged and positioned, and it will position very slowly. That was my point for commenting on how long it would take to position my aircraft to Manchester Vs the Airlander.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 02:37
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A Squared - Yes, your point is taken and I am not overly optimistic for the long term commercial future of the Airlander. Ad hoc freight charter was one possibility but, as you say, it would need one available immediately and on site, or short positioning flight, to be viable, an unlikely scenario!
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 09:38
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A bunch of Anoraks?

I scoured their website for two bits of information: the blimp's economic justification and the size of the market (in units). Absent.
I get the impression of a British 1960's style project: technically driven, underfunded and lacking credible commercial management.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 13:00
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I get the impression of a British 1960's style project: technically driven, underfunded and lacking credible commercial management.
Kind of odd viewpoint, that - seeing as it was designed and built in the USA...
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 13:29
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Wageslave: "it was designed and built in the USA..."

True, but the Americans know when to get out.
If the business plan doesn't hold up they'll pull the plug: viz Boeing 2707.

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Old 27th Aug 2016, 17:47
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Hmmm some of us remember the CV-990... or more recently all those very light business jets that were going to revolutionise air travel for the middle classes - almost all from US manufacturers

Billions down the tube IIRC
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 17:52
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Hmmm some of us remember the CV-990... or more recently all those very light business jets that were going to revolutionise air travel for the middle classes - almost all from US manufacturers

Billions down the tube IIRC
Or the Terrafugia Transition. Even from this side of the pond, I'm left scratching my head over the idea that the US is too smart to get involved in ill-advised aviation programs.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 18:15
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When is it going to do an Atlantic crossing; a Pacific crossing and a round the world non-stop? They would sure gain some publicity (hopefully positive) and the R&D gained would be huge. But then again, you wouldn't try it unless it was a 95% certainty.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 18:27
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When is it going to do an Atlantic crossing; a Pacific crossing and a round the world non-stop? They would sure gain some publicity (hopefully positive) and the R&D gained would be huge. But then again, you wouldn't try it unless it was a 95% certainty.
If you read the history of this device, it was once scheduled to do some of that/ Back when it was still a US DoD project with Northrup Grumman, it was scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan under it's own power. That was determined to be a bad idea, and the plan was changed to shipping it deflated to Afghanistan. Then sometime later the whole thing was scrapped completely. An a related note, it's a bit odd that this is being touted as the "first flight". The Airlander flew back in 2012 when it was called HAV304, and yeah, it's physically the same airframe.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 18:35
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What "huge" R&D is to be gained by floating a silly blimp across an ocean?
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 05:14
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...or more recently all those very light business jets that were going to revolutionise air travel for the middle classes - almost all from US manufacturers
I don't know how many of the VLJs are still viable, but a certain non-US manufacturer just recently got an FAA production cert for their "Hondajet."

(Although they apparently make them in the US, as they do with some of their cars....)

I agree there was a lot of hype when these aircraft were first announced. As they just now seem to be reaching the certification phase, I'll guess we'll see how it pans out -- for the companies that are still around, anyway.

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Old 28th Aug 2016, 18:05
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Now that is actually quite funny..and poignant..
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 20:23
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That's funny and relevant:
There is no "oh my God"
Humans were in charge.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 21:07
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Jeremy Clarkson`s article in The Sunday Times today says it all. The whole thing is nothing but an expensive joke. What a complete and utter waste of a gas which is a finite resource.
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Jeremy Clarkson

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Old 29th Aug 2016, 03:59
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What a complete and utter waste of a gas which is a finite resource.
Yes, we must stop the waste of the 0.000001% of the worlds helium which is used in Airlander before it has a severe impact on the 90% used in party balloons.....
 

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