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AirLander take off then 2nd Flight Mishap

Old 24th Aug 2016, 15:22
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Originally Posted by oceancrosser View Post
Pitch control seems somewhat insufficient. Where they going to practice touch and goes?

How would that thing behave in 50kt+ winds?
I would imagine that pitch control would be improved by a 50kt wind? Then you would have elevator control and vectored thrust?
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 15:25
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Originally Posted by beamender99 View Post
At least the crash occurred next to the hangers so recovery should be simpler.
The video shows some ripples in the skin above one of the engines ( where it is glued on.)
So maybe more damage than just the cockpit.
Those ripples are visible in the undamaged aircraft:- Photograph of Aircraft G-PHRG
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 15:33
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The elevators looked like they were deflected down not up. . Odd. Also the fwd fan doesnt seem to be right. Strange.
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 15:36
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gondola's a gonna by the looks of things. ohh well, at least I saw it fly
It'll buff out ...
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 15:39
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This aircraft was said to have had a chequered history in the short time that it was operated by the US Army.
I think we should be told.
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 15:42
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Originally Posted by Tourist View Post
Ok.

I'm a military pilot, with both rotary and fixed wing experience in places where locals occasionally test their bang-sticks in a friendly way towards you.

I was always led to believe that 2000ft kept you safe from small arms fire, but I am sure one of the other ex mil pilots will be along to explain my error soon if you are correct.....


p.s. I love the fact that being resolutely positive towards something can be described as "trolling"
You may find this gives the answers you are looking for - may need to climb a bit higher!
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ap02_DLRSC.pdf
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 15:45
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30C plus around here most of the morning and pm. Heard that the craft did a flyby over Bedford this morning before returning to Cardington
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Design flaw? Cockpit on the top, landing gear on the bottom, would make things a bit safer for the crew.
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 15:54
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@cockpitvisit: more like gone with the wind, which is of the era it belongs in.

@G0ULI: And wings instead of a big bag of helium...
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 16:02
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What is novel about this that Goodyear didn't crack long ago ?
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 17:17
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According to the BBC "The company hopes to be building 10 Airlanders a year by 2021".
Ten a year !
In the same year Airbus intends to build over 700 A320s.
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"Can land on water, snow and sand..."

(But not on grass?)
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 17:24
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Can land on water
I wouldn't want to land on the Atlantic Ocean in it (given the cockpit is about the same level as the landing gear)
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 17:41
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Is that the best location for flight deck?
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Originally Posted by oldchina View Post
Ten a year !
That isn't enough to sustain their flight test programme...
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 18:10
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It does have a computer flying it. I was told by one of their design engineers that it is unstable and flown by a FBW system with synthetic stability. Even so it is apparently a real handful to fly.

I can't understand why the fwd thrusters weren't moved to push the nose up. There was plenty of time yet they remained orientated fore and aft.
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Old 24th Aug 2016, 18:15
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I just can't fathom how well it can do with headwind or side wind.
Ani fule kno that a conventional aircraft will be diverted sideways by a side wind (watch those videos of scary landing attempts) though it does have vertical stabilisers and rudders.

AFAICT there is little or no facility for Airlander to apply sidethrust (or does it 'weathercock' and head into the wind)?

How effective could an airship rudder be?
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Is that the best location for flight deck?
A rather delicate and sensitive protuberance at the for'ard end of the front bottom of something so buxome?

Where else would you put it?
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Originally Posted by Wageslave View Post
I can't understand why the fwd thrusters weren't moved to push the nose up. There was plenty of time yet they remained orientated fore and aft.
Maybe the pilots were cowering at the rear of the cabin?
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