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The mode of operation of most successful companies is:-
STRATEGY, PLANNING, COMMITMENT,and EXECUTION,
however it sounds as though the executions are taking place first at Cougar, and somebody needs Committing (to a funny farm), before the other two factors are lost completely.
Pity really because most small companies are usually great places to work, assuming of course all parties have the same goal in mind, but there seem to be separate factions here. Are some of them contractors just looking for a fast buck then jump off as the company folds that's what happened in my last company you do not get long term commitment from them they are always eyeing up the next bundle of cash.
Wake up Cougar
In the USA a COUGAR is also called a PUMA which might be more fitting:- PRETTY> UNUSUAL> MANAGEMENT> ATTITUDE>
STRATEGY, PLANNING, COMMITMENT,and EXECUTION,
however it sounds as though the executions are taking place first at Cougar, and somebody needs Committing (to a funny farm), before the other two factors are lost completely.
Pity really because most small companies are usually great places to work, assuming of course all parties have the same goal in mind, but there seem to be separate factions here. Are some of them contractors just looking for a fast buck then jump off as the company folds that's what happened in my last company you do not get long term commitment from them they are always eyeing up the next bundle of cash.
Wake up Cougar
In the USA a COUGAR is also called a PUMA which might be more fitting:- PRETTY> UNUSUAL> MANAGEMENT> ATTITUDE>
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How can people remain positive when parasites are still lurking in the building..... the rot has set in and it will be very difficult to remove. But then all it takes is for the rot to be removed....
I've experienced office gossip and personality clashes in the past but not on this scale. This has turned into something very personal and it's ruined the good morale and high spirit that once was there.
I've experienced office gossip and personality clashes in the past but not on this scale. This has turned into something very personal and it's ruined the good morale and high spirit that once was there.
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Please message me if you are that person who has never lied. ( All be it a white lie ) or made a miscalculation, whether It be selling a fleet or aircraft because the number of engines was miscounted or you didnt realise that Cyprus was, in fact, more than two hours from London.
COUGAR has a wealth of experience, in all departments, waiting to be tapped and focused
One interesting rumour that has been creeping through the grapevine alledgedly is that of backhanders in exchange of a training package deal or is this just malicious gossip, Anyone wish to comment ?
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engineer I could tell you, but then I'd have to shoot you
Lets maybe just say that it's allegedly not a rumour......:o
There are still 3 B727's operating but the pax one will cease to exist at the end of October unless work can be found for it. I'm convinced there is work - wet or dry lease - on the other side of the pond but is there anyone actively seeking out this work?
I assume the Pan Am deal fell through
Lets maybe just say that it's allegedly not a rumour......:o
There are still 3 B727's operating but the pax one will cease to exist at the end of October unless work can be found for it. I'm convinced there is work - wet or dry lease - on the other side of the pond but is there anyone actively seeking out this work?
I assume the Pan Am deal fell through
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Shiny new aircraft from Seattle or Toulouse would not make a difference. A trustworthy management structure would be far more important
When all the dust has settled and there are no more crews, prospective individuals should send their checks and credit cards to "Fossil Airlines" for consideration, no point in attaching a CV it counts for nothing!
Wanted: Good samaritan to "SAVE THE COUGAR" before it becomes extinct.
When all the dust has settled and there are no more crews, prospective individuals should send their checks and credit cards to "Fossil Airlines" for consideration, no point in attaching a CV it counts for nothing!
Wanted: Good samaritan to "SAVE THE COUGAR" before it becomes extinct.
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At this rate there won't be any good people left to even see the winter through, and by that I mean in the air and on the ground..... Maybe I should change my career path and become a geologist and seek out fossils. Wouldn't have to look far would I ?
On a serious note, what I said in my opening line and in previous threads still stands. The company is doomed if it carry's on allowing the so-called Flight management to get away with what it is proposing, doing and done. Like someone else once said, look at what happened to Gill Air. The same is happening again by the looks of it.
How many people will walk before being pushed ?
On a serious note, what I said in my opening line and in previous threads still stands. The company is doomed if it carry's on allowing the so-called Flight management to get away with what it is proposing, doing and done. Like someone else once said, look at what happened to Gill Air. The same is happening again by the looks of it.
How many people will walk before being pushed ?
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Must be people in the know. So there is some truth in the alledged rumour that the use of back handers in xchange for training has gone on, and was someone suspended for commenting on this?
Also heard that a person was given notice and then spent several months at home on full pay being told that there was no flying available for them. Then contract people were paid to fly instead. If this is true then there must be some serious inherent management faults. Appears that the company champion Cat Club is quiet these days maybe they would like to comment or anyone on this matter
Must be people in the know. So there is some truth in the alledged rumour that the use of back handers in xchange for training has gone on, and was someone suspended for commenting on this?
Also heard that a person was given notice and then spent several months at home on full pay being told that there was no flying available for them. Then contract people were paid to fly instead. If this is true then there must be some serious inherent management faults. Appears that the company champion Cat Club is quiet these days maybe they would like to comment or anyone on this matter
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The rumour is not alleged but fact.
Witthout Prejudice
A captain was suspended after having informed the managing director of information pertaining to the allegations pending a meeting with Joe Forster the director of flight operations.
The captain refused to attend a meeting even though the captain was on standby until the content of the meeting and who would be in attendance were notified to the captain in writing. The flight operations director refused and suspended the captain from ground and flying duties until the meeting could be re-convened.
The captain was informed that this was NOT a disciplinary matter!
At the meeting the captain was asked several questions by the flight operations director pending what seemed to be a civil libel action.
After the meeting the captain was reinstated with the proviso that that captain not fly with another particular captain (even though they both enjoyed flying together) and also that the captain be rostered to fly in Liege as much as possible, much against that captains wishes. (If that is not abuse of power I don't know what is?)
If this were a company investigation then the Flight Operations Director should not be handling it, considering the allegations were made about himself.
Any one care to comment?
Witthout Prejudice
A captain was suspended after having informed the managing director of information pertaining to the allegations pending a meeting with Joe Forster the director of flight operations.
The captain refused to attend a meeting even though the captain was on standby until the content of the meeting and who would be in attendance were notified to the captain in writing. The flight operations director refused and suspended the captain from ground and flying duties until the meeting could be re-convened.
The captain was informed that this was NOT a disciplinary matter!
At the meeting the captain was asked several questions by the flight operations director pending what seemed to be a civil libel action.
After the meeting the captain was reinstated with the proviso that that captain not fly with another particular captain (even though they both enjoyed flying together) and also that the captain be rostered to fly in Liege as much as possible, much against that captains wishes. (If that is not abuse of power I don't know what is?)
If this were a company investigation then the Flight Operations Director should not be handling it, considering the allegations were made about himself.
Any one care to comment?
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If you feel so agrieved XXXXX,why do you not just come off the fence and have the balls to sort this crap out once and for all,instead of hiding behind some annonymous forum.If you are innocent and you can PROVE that others are guilty then you have nothing to worry about.I suspect that like so many in aviation you talk a good fight but do not guts to admit any of your own failings,like removing ALL the no smoking signs from the offices or getting one of your mates to do it for you. I thought you were a decent bloke but you have handled this whole affair like a complete **** and you have lost so much respect because of it.
Dont have to be a brain surgeon to work out who I am!
These forums are annonimous, please unless the poster wants to identify him/her self keep names to ureself. Thanks. Hogg
Dont have to be a brain surgeon to work out who I am!
These forums are annonimous, please unless the poster wants to identify him/her self keep names to ureself. Thanks. Hogg
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know who I am since I freely admitted to reversing off the stand at BHX.
It is also neither a lack of balls that I haven't come off the fence to sort out the crap which you helped create.
With regard to the smoking signs I'm glad that is all you have to think about considering the state of morale in the company which has been in decline since the introduction of the northern alliance.
I personally thoroughly enjoyed the atmosphere prior to the changes brought about over time of our new leadeship, which you yourself seem to be a party to. I had a lot of faith in you when you helped sort out a captain being suspended in liege over a diversion once upon a time. I am sick an tired of the lies, fantasy and bull**** being bandied about with great impunity. I am not a political animal and never have been, but when i see what goes on it beggars belief. The term "I'm alright Jack!" seems to be the most appropriate to the new regime. I truly hope you are happy with the condition of the company which has been created by the selfishness of some.
As far as respect goes, at least I had it in the first place to lose!!
It is also neither a lack of balls that I haven't come off the fence to sort out the crap which you helped create.
With regard to the smoking signs I'm glad that is all you have to think about considering the state of morale in the company which has been in decline since the introduction of the northern alliance.
I personally thoroughly enjoyed the atmosphere prior to the changes brought about over time of our new leadeship, which you yourself seem to be a party to. I had a lot of faith in you when you helped sort out a captain being suspended in liege over a diversion once upon a time. I am sick an tired of the lies, fantasy and bull**** being bandied about with great impunity. I am not a political animal and never have been, but when i see what goes on it beggars belief. The term "I'm alright Jack!" seems to be the most appropriate to the new regime. I truly hope you are happy with the condition of the company which has been created by the selfishness of some.
As far as respect goes, at least I had it in the first place to lose!!
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I must say, this really is a load of tosh. So called management posting threads like those seen on here. 
When for christ sake will the boss wake up and sort this out. This damage is doing Cougar no good at all.
Engineer Oh yes indeed there is truth in what you say.
Mr xxx , put a stop to the downfall of your company - wake up and realise that your workforce wants your company to succeed
On a seperate note, 3 or 4 B737-300's next year would be nice but in the light of things, will it happen, will I see it, will I still be posting threads on here about the unhappiness within the NON SMOKING walls
When for christ sake will the boss wake up and sort this out. This damage is doing Cougar no good at all.
Engineer Oh yes indeed there is truth in what you say.
Mr xxx , put a stop to the downfall of your company - wake up and realise that your workforce wants your company to succeed
On a seperate note, 3 or 4 B737-300's next year would be nice but in the light of things, will it happen, will I see it, will I still be posting threads on here about the unhappiness within the NON SMOKING walls
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If you keep on top of the washing chores then what is hung on the line should be clean and only need ironing when dry.
The need for a private forum gives the impression that there is cause for concern at Cougar and the fact that the management style that has been described by Cortez and others needs to be kept hidden. Also may reflect that this open forum has given Cougar management a little concern that private dealings are no longer that. As of now in excess of 5000 hits on this topic.
It would appear Cougar Knight that you have taken over the Cougar mantle and shield form Cat Club, maybe that cat used up nine lives and yet to be seen is if your charge can maintain the challenge on behalf of the company.
So don't run for cover when the going get tough stand up and explain the rationale behind the decisions and deal with the accusations that have been pointed out.
If you keep on top of the washing chores then what is hung on the line should be clean and only need ironing when dry.
The need for a private forum gives the impression that there is cause for concern at Cougar and the fact that the management style that has been described by Cortez and others needs to be kept hidden. Also may reflect that this open forum has given Cougar management a little concern that private dealings are no longer that. As of now in excess of 5000 hits on this topic.
It would appear Cougar Knight that you have taken over the Cougar mantle and shield form Cat Club, maybe that cat used up nine lives and yet to be seen is if your charge can maintain the challenge on behalf of the company.
So don't run for cover when the going get tough stand up and explain the rationale behind the decisions and deal with the accusations that have been pointed out.
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Hey engineer I think you'll find that Cat-Club and Cougar Knight are most definately not the same. There is a hidden agenda here and it will be interesting to see what develops.
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If the decline in comments about Cougar over the previous six pages of this thread are really indicative of the state of affairs there it begs the question, will cougar outlast another six pages?
It appears the Boss does not run the company!
Is this correct?
One name seems to crop up repeatedly as being the main problem, why is he still there?
I hate to see any company fail but it is usually due to market forces and/or competitors, Cougar though seems to be going in for a self destruct method!!!!!!
It appears the Boss does not run the company!
Is this correct?
One name seems to crop up repeatedly as being the main problem, why is he still there?
I hate to see any company fail but it is usually due to market forces and/or competitors, Cougar though seems to be going in for a self destruct method!!!!!!
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All said and done, I just want it to survive. It deserves to because there is a market for Cougar's type of operation.
Enough said I guess, I have more important things to worry about than people slagging each other off
Enough said I guess, I have more important things to worry about than people slagging each other off