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I think what Zeddb would like to know is:
Who do you work for?
In his situation knowing that someone took on older guys, but not knowing who that someone is, is rather upsetting.
Be a good chap, drop Zeddb a PM.
Who do you work for?
In his situation knowing that someone took on older guys, but not knowing who that someone is, is rather upsetting.
Be a good chap, drop Zeddb a PM.
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Guys give Monarch a try. Interviews are ongoing at present. However I'm not sure whether new CVs are being entertained.
Monarch have recently taken on a few ex BMI baby guys, including ex skippers, non rated. And what a decent bunch they are.
Monarch are looking at experienced guys as command time is reducing fast. Current batch just served over 3yrs.
Good luck guys.
Monarch have recently taken on a few ex BMI baby guys, including ex skippers, non rated. And what a decent bunch they are.
Monarch are looking at experienced guys as command time is reducing fast. Current batch just served over 3yrs.
Good luck guys.
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Honorable? BA? Id like to see that. What was honourable about the secondees?, lack of any sort of travel benefits for pilots at GSS whilst even ground staff in india had access to it. Sure I could think of a few more points. There is no way they would consider taking on GSS guys. Good Luck to them with Qatar. Hope it comes back to haunt them.
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Oh dear onehot.
So, clearly you're looking for an argument as well as a job? Seems like wasted effort to me.
BA is about the best employer I can think of to work for. "Honorable?" (Sic) Actually yes. Pretty good.
What was 'dishonourable'? GSS existed purely to fly BA cargo. Nothing else. Precisely as the recent sad announcement has demonstrated, GSS simply cannot exist without that work. Would you not wish to reach an agreement should your employer seek to outsource your jobs? Secondees formed a small proportion of the expansion commands. Fair? Probably yes.
It's called British Airways Staff Travel. Anyone can have access to it provided they work for BA. Ground staff in India do precisely that. It would seem you don't work for BA, so don't qualify? One imagines you could have applied whenever you wished? Problem??
Oh I'm sure you could.
When BA recommence recruitment, and if you fit the criteria, I'm sure BA would love to hear from you. Though from everything you say, it sounds like you wouldn't wish to work for them? Am I right?
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You need to get over these bitterness issues. They will harm absolutely nobody but yourself!
Best of luck to you.
As for zeddb shredding his BALPA card. What a joke. Who would have been flying these jobs were it not for BALPA? Y'all probably don't need much of a clue.
Knock yourselves out guys! I'm absolutely sympathetic, but stop throwing dirt around. If you didn't understand the gig when you applied, or in the intervening years, you may have been a little naive?
Honorable? BA? Id like to see that. What was honourable about the secondees?, lack of any sort of travel benefits for pilots at GSS whilst even ground staff in india had access to it. Sure I could think of a few more points. There is no way they would consider taking on GSS guys. Good Luck to them with Qatar. Hope it comes back to haunt them.
Honorable? BA? Id like to see that.
What was honourable about the secondees
lack of any sort of travel benefits for pilots at GSS whilst even ground staff in india had access to it.
Sure I could think of a few more points.
There is no way they would consider taking on GSS guys.
Good Luck to them with Qatar. Hope it comes back to haunt them
You need to get over these bitterness issues. They will harm absolutely nobody but yourself!
Best of luck to you.
As for zeddb shredding his BALPA card. What a joke. Who would have been flying these jobs were it not for BALPA? Y'all probably don't need much of a clue.
Knock yourselves out guys! I'm absolutely sympathetic, but stop throwing dirt around. If you didn't understand the gig when you applied, or in the intervening years, you may have been a little naive?
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Suppose it's letting off steam. Understandable and a way of coping until you calm down and thinking rationally. Bare in mind a lot of these guys will probably be facing the end of their careers. Lashing out is one stage of the pain process probably. It's not hurting you let it go, ducks back water off. If someone wanted to throw stones at a company I worked at whilst i still had my job and their careers were going down the ****er id say fill your boots if it makes you feel happy whilst you deal with it.
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Thanks for the kind words. Nobody is blaming the secondees, it wasn't their fault and some are just as gutted as the rest of us. The fact they have nice jobs to go back to is their good luck. There were one or two arses, but it dosen't matter any more
4468's comments are pretty much typical of certain elements within BA who are mightily pleased with themselves and are so utterly convinced that BA and by extension they themselves are totally superior and deserving in each and every way to anyone else. They have jobs for life so it is easy for them to look down on the rest of us and tell us to stop complaining and accept our inferiority to the mighty ones who got lucky. None of us deserve to be in aviation according to people like that.
By the way 4468, what would you do with an expensive club membership that you no longer had any use for an outfit that did nothing for you when you needed it?
BALPA exists solely to protect the terms, conditions and privileges of BA pilots. Nothing more. When challenged, they point to their "financial services" and other pointless bollocks that again, are there to steer the investments of the well paid BA fraternity and in the end to protect the cushty lifestyle of the BALPA employees. Furthermore this is not the first time that BALPA have left me dangling in the breeze.
Virgin recognised this long ago and have ditched them. If I no longer have any future in aviation why on earth should I continue to pay them and by extension support the pilots of the company that ended my career? Would you?
The idea that BA would even so much as entertain an application from one of us is as laughable as it is naive. They know exactly who they want and it isn't us. Several GSS guys applied over the years including at least one who had previously passed selection, and who was then told he was 'unsuitable'. Its a joke.
I'm very pleased that you are so pleased with yourself. Just pray that this never happens to you, especially once you get past 50.
Thanks for the kind words. Nobody is blaming the secondees, it wasn't their fault and some are just as gutted as the rest of us. The fact they have nice jobs to go back to is their good luck. There were one or two arses, but it dosen't matter any more
4468's comments are pretty much typical of certain elements within BA who are mightily pleased with themselves and are so utterly convinced that BA and by extension they themselves are totally superior and deserving in each and every way to anyone else. They have jobs for life so it is easy for them to look down on the rest of us and tell us to stop complaining and accept our inferiority to the mighty ones who got lucky. None of us deserve to be in aviation according to people like that.
By the way 4468, what would you do with an expensive club membership that you no longer had any use for an outfit that did nothing for you when you needed it?
BALPA exists solely to protect the terms, conditions and privileges of BA pilots. Nothing more. When challenged, they point to their "financial services" and other pointless bollocks that again, are there to steer the investments of the well paid BA fraternity and in the end to protect the cushty lifestyle of the BALPA employees. Furthermore this is not the first time that BALPA have left me dangling in the breeze.
Virgin recognised this long ago and have ditched them. If I no longer have any future in aviation why on earth should I continue to pay them and by extension support the pilots of the company that ended my career? Would you?
The idea that BA would even so much as entertain an application from one of us is as laughable as it is naive. They know exactly who they want and it isn't us. Several GSS guys applied over the years including at least one who had previously passed selection, and who was then told he was 'unsuitable'. Its a joke.
I'm very pleased that you are so pleased with yourself. Just pray that this never happens to you, especially once you get past 50.
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support the pilots of the company that ended my career?
How on earth can you justify that? How exactly did 'the company' (BA or IAG?) end your career? By choosing to shop somewhere else??? What have YOUR company done to help/hinder you?
As a previous poster said, "fill your boots if it makes you feel happy"! Or as I said, "knock yourselves out"!
Just be aware you're talking complete b0ll@cks!
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BA have effectively ended my and many other's careers by walking away from a five year contract after two years without any notice and exporting British jobs to the Middle East. The flying staff had nothing to do with it, no matter how some may be rejoicing.
Your tone and attitude represents everything I hate about this rotten, up itself and ego infested business. You are a tiresome bore. Go away and have a nice life being utterly superior to everyone else.
One day my arrogant friend this might happen to you. Long haul is now starting to follow the low cost route with the arrival of Norwegian and once it does, every other operator will either follow suit or go out of business. See where your 100K job goes then and see just how effective BALPA are at fighting it, about as effective as they were at stopping PTF I should imagine.
Your tone and attitude represents everything I hate about this rotten, up itself and ego infested business. You are a tiresome bore. Go away and have a nice life being utterly superior to everyone else.
One day my arrogant friend this might happen to you. Long haul is now starting to follow the low cost route with the arrival of Norwegian and once it does, every other operator will either follow suit or go out of business. See where your 100K job goes then and see just how effective BALPA are at fighting it, about as effective as they were at stopping PTF I should imagine.
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if your company is loosing the contract, this is a problem of your company, not the end client. GSS is not and never been BA.
Star Air is loosing their UPS contract. Should Star Air pilots be angry about UPS?
if your company is loosing the contract, this is a problem of your company, not the end client. GSS is not and never been BA.
Star Air is loosing their UPS contract. Should Star Air pilots be angry about UPS?
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GSS contract with BA terminated
Did UPS have secondee pilots at Star Air? I don't think so. While it was GSS managements/boards fault for agreeing to it they should never really have been at GSS in the first place.
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if your company is loosing the contract, this is a problem of your company, not the end client. GSS is not and never been BA.
Star Air is loosing their UPS contract. Should Star Air pilots be angry about UPS?
Star Air is loosing their UPS contract. Should Star Air pilots be angry about UPS?
GSS never pretended they were BA any more than Atlas pretends to be Emirates or anyone else they operate on behalf of.
If Star are loosing their UPS contract then that is very sad for the Star pilots and I'm sure they are pretty upset with UPS.
GSS flew BA liveried aircraft for 12 years without incident. During that time they never once drove a 747-400 into a building unlike their oh so perfect customer who seem to think they are such gods of the sky and deserving of everything and more.
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GSS never pretended they were BA
GSS flew BA liveried aircraft for 12 years
BA have effectively ended my and many other's careers by walking away from a five year contract after two years without any notice and exporting British jobs to the Middle East.
Hypocritical?
Who's jobs are they exactly????
Finally. What on earth does the BA secondee situation have to do with recent developments between GSS and International Airlines Group??? Or will you be carrying that particular cross all the way to the grave?
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De fumo, well said. That particular guy was a gent through and through and may he rest in peace. The gloating from some at Atlas was bad enough,to have UK pilots rubbing it in is pretty despicable.
4468 is a smug, brainwashed idiot and I refuse to debate with him or her any further.
There is a concept known as Karma. He had better hope that it is only a theory or he might return as a traffic cone on the M25 next time around.
4468 is a smug, brainwashed idiot and I refuse to debate with him or her any further.
There is a concept known as Karma. He had better hope that it is only a theory or he might return as a traffic cone on the M25 next time around.
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GSS did not "lose" the contract, it had been signed for 5 years. BA chose to walk away from it. Slight difference.
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I agree 100% with zeddb. 4468 is your typical pompous BA idiot. Best thing I ever did was cancel my BAPLA subscription. As Zeddb and as I told BALPA, anything that involves them confronting BA they totally shied away from.
Secondees were a great bunch of guys but the whole idea was criminal. They stinted career growth of all the GSS pilots and now go skipping off back to the right hand seat in BA and what have they proved or gained? Nothing. They only left a bunch of guys screwed in the wake of their little ego trip.
4468, DHL gets staff travel. So much for your "you have to be BA staff" theory.
And no, I have never applied to fly for BA.Despite the few gripes that I have mentioned, GSS was a great place to work, no Bitchyness or colleagues trying to poison me either (like a BA pilot was saying happened to him). I had no reason to leave.
Secondees were a great bunch of guys but the whole idea was criminal. They stinted career growth of all the GSS pilots and now go skipping off back to the right hand seat in BA and what have they proved or gained? Nothing. They only left a bunch of guys screwed in the wake of their little ego trip.
4468, DHL gets staff travel. So much for your "you have to be BA staff" theory.
And no, I have never applied to fly for BA.Despite the few gripes that I have mentioned, GSS was a great place to work, no Bitchyness or colleagues trying to poison me either (like a BA pilot was saying happened to him). I had no reason to leave.
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De Fumo, well said. Yeah or what about the guy that failed his command upgrade 4 times and eventually went back to BA with his tail between his legs, last I heard he was in training or standards or something at BA.
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I could never understand why the GSS pilots agreed to BALPA representation. I suggested IPA representation at the time but was outvoted. It was pressure from the IPA that led to the formation of GSS in the first place.
It is not to late to join. They can't do anything about the IAG decision but they can help find employment.
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