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Old 26th Jun 2011, 19:28
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Atlas/Polar

Dear Pilots,
On the 4th of July we ask for your support in declaring our Independence from the tyranny imposed upon us from this unscrupulous management team.

Management wants to continue with things as they are. They are making an incredible amount of money, paying us at the old rate. They do not have to honor the new trip rigs/days away from base.

They will win a new, weak scope section as Judge Kasher is very biased and will side with management against labor. He has shown his true colors in the past.

On Independence Day;
1. Atlas/Kalitta Pilots will no longer fly Polar Flights
2. Polar Pilots will share the pain by blocking out 16 minutes late

Our goal is to force management to sign our new contract as it is negotiated, not as it will be assigned by Judge Kasher.

We chose the Polar flights because management is continuing to add these flights to our schedule, Keeping us out longer without the protections of our new contract and paying us at the old, outdated pay rates. Polar alone cannot fly these flights and they are easily identifiable.

In blocking out late, the fines imposed on management will make it very expensive to continue without a new contract in place. Please use the code, "New Contract needed" in the acars message.

We ask for your support in this endeavour. This is not sactioned by nor even known by Union Officials. They will come out against this on paper, but remain strong, our solidarity outweighs managements greed.

Pass this around.

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Old 27th Jun 2011, 01:36
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K4 pilots flying Polar routes or stuff?
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 02:33
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And with fines that will be one or more pilots gone......Have you ever understood that there will be many who will work for what you earn and that in the long run they will sign on the dotted line. You are asking to sabotage a working company that if they fold will leave even more out of work.
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 10:03
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People shouldnt drink and type
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 16:36
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1. Atlas/Kalitta Pilots will no longer fly Polar Flights
2. Polar Pilots will share the pain by blocking out 16 minutes late
Pretty typical and sounds familiar of the MEC Bobb Henderson days. Polar crews asking everyone else to risk their jobs in an illegal job action for Polar crews sole benefit while the Polar crews do not risk their jobs at all.

I think everyone else is waiting for Polar to take a turn at it.
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 22:04
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Flynn,

Whats the signifigance of blocking out 16 minutes late??

And; what Polar routes are the Kalitta folks flying?
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 23:56
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I think 16 minutes is officially late per the DHL contract.
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Old 28th Jun 2011, 06:58
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interested in working for Atlas

Hey, just wondering if anyone wouldn't mind giving me an idea of what the schedules are like? Are you gone for a full 18+ days or do they have you back at base in-between shorter trips? So if I lived within a driving distance of the base, would I be home more? Also, I wasn't clear if you have to live within a certain distance of the base or not? Finally, are you guys a part of the CASS system? Can I jumpseat on other carriers and do you get any ID90 benefits. Appreciate any info you might have. Thanks
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Old 2nd Jul 2011, 00:57
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Independence Day

First to answer many e-mails;
Who am I?
I am a small group of Atlas and Polar pilots disappointed with the current state of contract negotiations.

There is not any Union involvement, not even former Union reps.

This is not an illegal job action. If we struck and refused to fly any freight, it would be illegal. We will continue to fly all non-conflicted freight.

What is our goal?
To force the company to accept out terms and not be forced to accept thier terms.

On Independence day we will prove to the company 1 of 2 things;
1. We have the balls to stand up to them.
2. We don't have any balls and they can have thier way with us.

Time to stand up and be counted.

Please pass this around and get as many people involved as you can.

Thanks for your help
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Old 2nd Jul 2011, 01:23
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They will give in now for sure!

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Independence Day
First to answer many e-mails;
Who am I?
I am a small group of Atlas and Polar pilots disappointed with the current state of contract negotiations.

There is not any Union involvement, not even former Union reps.

This is not an illegal job action. If we struck and refused to fly any freight, it would be illegal. We will continue to fly all non-conflicted freight.

What is our goal?
To force the company to accept out terms and not be forced to accept thier terms.

On Independence day we will prove to the company 1 of 2 things;
1. We have the balls to stand up to them.
2. We don't have any balls and they can have thier way with us.

Time to stand up and be counted.

Please pass this around and get as many people involved as you can.

Thanks for your help
[email protected]

Absolutely, They will cave in to all of your demands by blocking out 16 minute late.

You smoking crack or what?

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Old 3rd Jul 2011, 21:47
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Independence day

The day is here.

Atlas/Kilitta crews, please don't fly any Polar Freight.
Polar crews, block out late.

These two actions will cost the company a money.
That is their only incentive.

Good Luck

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Old 4th Jul 2011, 07:41
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So, there are about to be pilot job openings at Atlas/Polar?
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Old 4th Jul 2011, 09:35
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These two actions will cost the company a money.
So your not just a moron, your illiterate too!
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So your not just a moron, your illiterate too!
YOU'RE illiterate as well Fr8Dog.
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So, as usual, Polar is doing their part.

PO 998, 9 minutes EARLY
PO 948, 3 minutes late
PO 997, 6 minutes EARLY
PO 211, Ontime

That's it so far. Remember, this airline is just a six airplane operation, and only has 10 departures on the 4th. Almost half way there, and nothing. So far, is this working for you?

We really don't have any idea who is behind this. FLYNN747 could be a 13 year old, or just someone acting 13?
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Old 4th Jul 2011, 22:59
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Are any of us surprised? No.

You have to give support to get support. Polar has never done so and has asked everyone one else to risk themselves without any reciprocation on their part in the past.

Polar is the bad neighbor that never returns your lawn tools but is ready to ask for everything else you have in your garage.
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Polar is the bad neighbor that never returns your lawn tools but is ready to ask for everything else you have in your garage.
I would like to suggest a different interpretation. What I see is a very small group that has now demonstrated that they do not speak for the Polar pilots. And perhaps the Polar pilots have taken the opportunity to make that clear.

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Old 5th Jul 2011, 02:45
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WhaleDriver, 12 hours since your earlier post.

PO 998, 9 minutes EARLY
PO 948, 3 minutes late
PO 997, 6 minutes EARLY
PO 211, On Time
How did the balance of flights turn out?

BTW, No dog in the hunt, just curious.
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I would like to suggest a different interpretation. What I see is a very small group that has now demonstrated that they do not speak for the Polar pilots. And perhaps the Polar pilots have taken the opportunity to make that clear.
That works also.

While I love being able to make a whole labor force movement against management, it can't be done solely at the whim of a few that are not happy. Especially if they were of the past leadership.
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Old 5th Jul 2011, 03:23
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From NIttyGritty: You have to give support to get support. Polar has never done so and has asked everyone one else to risk themselves without any reciprocation on their part in the past.

Polar is the bad neighbor that never returns your lawn tools but is ready to ask for everything else you have in your garage.


Seriously? Talking out the end you shouldn't is what I gather from your post. I'm a good neighbor and return tools when borrowed. However, I will not ask for tools from scabs (not saying you are one) or from people with no back bone. Most of you do not fit the above and thank goodness there's new blood coming in through the ranks of newhires. The Atlas side of the house gets roughly a measly ten percent pay hike if and when the arbitrator rules, profit sharing has financial triggers involved, listened to Bourne's koolaid speech to join Teamsters (how's that workin' out for ya), and some work rule improvements.

Rumor has it that there's going to be another ALPA push after arbitration. Time will tell, I guess. So as far as your "garage" is concerned, there's nothing in there to borrow so why even bother. Having said that, I have no issues with Atlas folks as long as they don't get there almighty wholier than thow attitude going against the Polar folks.

If you voted to pass your last contract years ago shame on you. That's a question I love to ask when talking to some on the Atlas side of the house when it's brought up. I let them complain and complain then all I do is ask if they voted for it. If they say yes, enough said.

IMO, we're going to have safety in numbers when or IF the arbitrator rules. The catch is staying on the correct side of the house and throwing away your koolaid glass if you have one.
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