Atlas/Polar
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From: hELL'S kitchen
Flynn747, and the rest of the lot of you....you know who you are.
You are truly the only "haters" posting on this board. You've had to be told time and time again, by some of the most pragmatic and forward-thinking pilots from both sides to lay off and move on, but you still don't get it. It's my belief, and that applies to "those" some others here...that you NEVER will.
So be it. Continue with your rants, accusations, references to vague decade-old ALPA "who-gives-a-!!!!-anymore" rulings, court documents, etc...
We have WAY many more good guys here that couldn't care less about a group of old "has beens" to think you and your kind are going to have any influence/and/or pull around here. Just like your "independence day" showed.
I can't speak for anyone else, but you're the walking talking metaphor of the "drunk uncle" in the room that no one pays attention to anymore. And get this....everyone feels sorry for, and worse, embarassed by.
You, Flynn747, popping up here so recently, I have even considered you for some company landluving stooge, wasting time away up in Purchase in between shifts? Bored with your life, and deciding to feel out the pilot group a little?
If you're so compelled to continue to air out your dirty laundry, why not do so on the IBT 1224 forum?-at least REAL names appear there, and one does not have the luxury of hiding behind some faux pilot handle..
An added benefit, THE REST OF US HERE do not have to continue to atone to the rest of the pilot community, for the embarassement that you and your kind, have wrought upon us.
Nothing to see here folks...Really.
You are truly the only "haters" posting on this board. You've had to be told time and time again, by some of the most pragmatic and forward-thinking pilots from both sides to lay off and move on, but you still don't get it. It's my belief, and that applies to "those" some others here...that you NEVER will.
So be it. Continue with your rants, accusations, references to vague decade-old ALPA "who-gives-a-!!!!-anymore" rulings, court documents, etc...
We have WAY many more good guys here that couldn't care less about a group of old "has beens" to think you and your kind are going to have any influence/and/or pull around here. Just like your "independence day" showed.
I can't speak for anyone else, but you're the walking talking metaphor of the "drunk uncle" in the room that no one pays attention to anymore. And get this....everyone feels sorry for, and worse, embarassed by.
You, Flynn747, popping up here so recently, I have even considered you for some company landluving stooge, wasting time away up in Purchase in between shifts? Bored with your life, and deciding to feel out the pilot group a little?
If you're so compelled to continue to air out your dirty laundry, why not do so on the IBT 1224 forum?-at least REAL names appear there, and one does not have the luxury of hiding behind some faux pilot handle..
An added benefit, THE REST OF US HERE do not have to continue to atone to the rest of the pilot community, for the embarassement that you and your kind, have wrought upon us.
Nothing to see here folks...Really.
Joined: Mar 2001
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From: Miami, FL U.S.A.
Soon the cashier at the local supper market will surpass you'r income!!!
Can't wait until we finally have this contract signed and behind us, it's time to move on, and work as a team here at Atlas!
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Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Purchase, NY
Flynn747
This week our union posted a new e-mail, signed by both TEC's, showing everyone how poorly the company is treating us. They are stalling this new contract, relying on Kasher to humiliate us all with another ruling in favor of management. All the time, the best we can do is fight with one another on this board.
Nitty-Gritty and 742, you talked about having tools in your garage, how about breaking those tools out and show us how to bring this management team to back to the bargaining table and sign this new contract, now....
Management will not sign a new contract until it cost more to operate under the current contract. Got that boys, how do we make it more expensive for them to operate under these current conditions?
Our goal was to cost them money with penalties under the DHL contract and revenue under the Polar flying. If you have better idea's, we're listening.
[email protected]
Nitty-Gritty and 742, you talked about having tools in your garage, how about breaking those tools out and show us how to bring this management team to back to the bargaining table and sign this new contract, now....
Management will not sign a new contract until it cost more to operate under the current contract. Got that boys, how do we make it more expensive for them to operate under these current conditions?
Our goal was to cost them money with penalties under the DHL contract and revenue under the Polar flying. If you have better idea's, we're listening.
[email protected]
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From: USA
Kashner humiliating us?
So, You have some inside scoop on Kashner's decision?. Wow, I'm impressed. Let's hear it.
I know he's taking his time on a decision. We are all frusterated with that. However, I doubt our Union wants to spent the time or energy ( say financial resources ) in fighting a battle that may already have ended in our favor ( aka K's decision ).
If, on the other hand, your just stirring the pot, well, please preface your diatribe with, "Just stirring the pot guys...".
"He who foresees calamities suffers them twice over".
I know he's taking his time on a decision. We are all frusterated with that. However, I doubt our Union wants to spent the time or energy ( say financial resources ) in fighting a battle that may already have ended in our favor ( aka K's decision ).
If, on the other hand, your just stirring the pot, well, please preface your diatribe with, "Just stirring the pot guys...".
"He who foresees calamities suffers them twice over".
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Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Purchase, NY
Flynn
Well Boys,
We're still waiting for you to lead the way, but we haven't heard from you.
If any one still thinks Kasher's decision is going to be in favor of the pilot group, we laugh at you and remind you there is madatory drug testing in this job.
Let us draw you a picture;
Pilots------------------------------------------------------management
-------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------Kasher----------------------------------
Any Questons?
Remember, The company is paying for Kasher's time......
Come on, let's have some idea's about bringing management back to the table and sign a negotiated contract.
[email protected]
We're still waiting for you to lead the way, but we haven't heard from you.
If any one still thinks Kasher's decision is going to be in favor of the pilot group, we laugh at you and remind you there is madatory drug testing in this job.
Let us draw you a picture;
Pilots------------------------------------------------------management
--------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------Kasher----------------------------------
Any Questons?
Remember, The company is paying for Kasher's time......
Come on, let's have some idea's about bringing management back to the table and sign a negotiated contract.
[email protected]
Joined: Jun 2010
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From: LAX
Delays
There are other ways to fight rather than intentionally delay flights. No one I know flying at PAC is that stupid- further, PAC's on-time record bears this out.
Flynn sounds to me like a mgt sockpuppet. Beat it, Flynn.
Flynn sounds to me like a mgt sockpuppet. Beat it, Flynn.
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From: USA
"Flynn
Well Boys,
We're still waiting for you to lead the way, but we haven't heard from you.
If any one still thinks Kasher's decision is going to be in favor of the pilot group, we laugh at you and remind you there is madatory drug testing in this job.
Let us draw you a picture;
Pilots------------------------------------------------------management
--------------------------------
-----------------------------------
------------------------------Kasher----------------------------------
Any Questons?
Remember, The company is paying for Kasher's time......
Come on, let's have some idea's about bringing management back to the table and sign a negotiated contract.
[email protected]"
Blaah, Blaah, Blaah...nobody wants to chime in because nobody cares. Move on already.
I choose to live my life with the glass-half-full mentality...you, and ones like you, live in the past, with nothing but contempt for everyone and everything around you.
I'm so glad to be going to the 767 at Atlas, that I won't have to deal with guys like you until several years after the merger has been in place...and as Captain on that operation, I can be the only a$$ in the cockpit.
It's high time we don't pander to this moron...I'm so done with guys like him.
Well Boys,
We're still waiting for you to lead the way, but we haven't heard from you.
If any one still thinks Kasher's decision is going to be in favor of the pilot group, we laugh at you and remind you there is madatory drug testing in this job.
Let us draw you a picture;
Pilots------------------------------------------------------management
--------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------Kasher----------------------------------
Any Questons?
Remember, The company is paying for Kasher's time......
Come on, let's have some idea's about bringing management back to the table and sign a negotiated contract.
[email protected]"
Blaah, Blaah, Blaah...nobody wants to chime in because nobody cares. Move on already.
I choose to live my life with the glass-half-full mentality...you, and ones like you, live in the past, with nothing but contempt for everyone and everything around you.
I'm so glad to be going to the 767 at Atlas, that I won't have to deal with guys like you until several years after the merger has been in place...and as Captain on that operation, I can be the only a$$ in the cockpit.
It's high time we don't pander to this moron...I'm so done with guys like him.
Last edited by CAO; 24th August 2011 at 01:27.
Person Of Interest
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From: Keystone Heights, Florida
Po-Boy makes a very astute (and true) observation on the topic of this thread...
Some folks still haven't gotten over the EAL Strike...how many Captains out there flying today even know what it was about, let alone when it was???
Heck, most of todays "Greybeards" didn't even shave 22 and 1/2 years ago...That's right...March 04, 1989...20+ years ago...
Po-Bo's right...get over it...You're working, maybe not compensated in the manner you would prefer, but as previously stated, there are plenty of pilots who would gladly take your place...
And ALPA has apparently forgiven the EAL "new-hires" (i.e.-CAL, SWA) so get over your whatever it is and put your energy into constructive thinking, rather than the "me, me, ME!" concept...
ALPA can do it, so can you...
Some folks still haven't gotten over the EAL Strike...how many Captains out there flying today even know what it was about, let alone when it was???
Heck, most of todays "Greybeards" didn't even shave 22 and 1/2 years ago...That's right...March 04, 1989...20+ years ago...
Po-Bo's right...get over it...You're working, maybe not compensated in the manner you would prefer, but as previously stated, there are plenty of pilots who would gladly take your place...
And ALPA has apparently forgiven the EAL "new-hires" (i.e.-CAL, SWA) so get over your whatever it is and put your energy into constructive thinking, rather than the "me, me, ME!" concept...
ALPA can do it, so can you...
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From: LAX
that said,
ALPA might 'forget' about EAL/COA/UAL scabs given enough pecuniary incentives, not I.
EAL and COA were like yesterday to me, I'll never forget the smug expressions of those scum as they crossed the lines. 'Plenty of pilots that will take your place'...yes, I saw that quite clearly.
Might as well forgive the guards at Treblinka, too. They were 'just doing what they had to do to feed their families'.
EAL and COA were like yesterday to me, I'll never forget the smug expressions of those scum as they crossed the lines. 'Plenty of pilots that will take your place'...yes, I saw that quite clearly.
Might as well forgive the guards at Treblinka, too. They were 'just doing what they had to do to feed their families'.
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From: USA
Right F****n on!
D-LZ 126
ALPA might 'forget' about EAL/COA/UAL scabs given enough pecuniary incentives, not I.
EAL and COA were like yesterday to me, I'll never forget the smug expressions of those scum as they crossed the lines. 'Plenty of pilots that will take your place'...yes, I saw that quite clearly.
Might as well forgive the guards at Treblinka, too. They were 'just doing what they had to do to feed their families'.
ALPA might 'forget' about EAL/COA/UAL scabs given enough pecuniary incentives, not I.
EAL and COA were like yesterday to me, I'll never forget the smug expressions of those scum as they crossed the lines. 'Plenty of pilots that will take your place'...yes, I saw that quite clearly.
Might as well forgive the guards at Treblinka, too. They were 'just doing what they had to do to feed their families'.
Thread Starter
Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Purchase, NY
Independence day
Well, here we are, on the eve of Kasher's decision.
We hope all you do nothings are correct and Kasher gives us the scope we hoped for, if not, we're sure the company will take care of us, because they love us so.
You fella's didn't like our plan to move the company, yet did nothing, not one single idea.
We're sorry we failed to motivate you. We'll be here as long as the rest of you.
Flynn
[email protected]
We hope all you do nothings are correct and Kasher gives us the scope we hoped for, if not, we're sure the company will take care of us, because they love us so.
You fella's didn't like our plan to move the company, yet did nothing, not one single idea.
We're sorry we failed to motivate you. We'll be here as long as the rest of you.
Flynn
[email protected]
Person Of Interest
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From: Keystone Heights, Florida
Yeah Flynn...Like puss festering in that pimple on your a$$...You'll still be there...Sooner or later though the antibotics will get you...Have a great trip....See you downline sometime...
Thread Starter
Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Purchase, NY
Kasher's Decision
Well, we hope everybody got what they wanted from Kasher's Decision. We know management did. We now have a nice little, concessionary contract, without any scope protection. How long will it be before management starts hiring a new group of pilots at Polar and decides it is in their best interest to move all the flying to Polar, putting all us well paid Atlas pilots on the street.
And the reason we don't have a scope agreement with Atlas Worlwide? In 2007, our fearless leader, Dave Bourne acting as our ALPA MEC Chairman, signed an agreement with Atlas Airlines, to negotiate and not take any job actions. You all remember that, everyone thought Bourne had screwed them. Well, that became a source document for Kasher, and now that bad decision has screwed us all again.
Stop believing Bourne and don't follow him, he is leading you the wrong way.
Flynn
And the reason we don't have a scope agreement with Atlas Worlwide? In 2007, our fearless leader, Dave Bourne acting as our ALPA MEC Chairman, signed an agreement with Atlas Airlines, to negotiate and not take any job actions. You all remember that, everyone thought Bourne had screwed them. Well, that became a source document for Kasher, and now that bad decision has screwed us all again.
Stop believing Bourne and don't follow him, he is leading you the wrong way.
Flynn
Joined: May 2000
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From: USA
Oh Flynn!
Oh Flynn, thank goodness you have come along just when we needed you. Please let me drink from the Kool-Aid from your chalice. Hmmm, feeling sleepy......
Seriously, why don't you put your time and effort into volunteering to HELP your fellow crewmembers instead of spouting vehement rhetoric concerning water passed under the bridge. You might an excellent steward for example.
Seriously, why don't you put your time and effort into volunteering to HELP your fellow crewmembers instead of spouting vehement rhetoric concerning water passed under the bridge. You might an excellent steward for example.