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Atlas Goes With Passengers

Old 27th October 2009 | 20:25
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I guess with atlas flying the old perennial money losing polar routes,,,,theyre now making money? think its the other way around...
AFAIK, those routes are not being flown at all as scheduled service. However, there are occasional, but irregular, charters by various shippers between the same city pairs. That is inevitable with the withdrawal of so much lift from the industry in the past couple years.
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Old 27th October 2009 | 21:08
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mia-viracopos-santiago-lima-mia,,that was a scheduled polar run,,,if memory serves me right, its a scheduled run for atlas. question, where did polar`s clients go after the dhl transition?
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Old 28th October 2009 | 02:51
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I suspect all those forwarders simply went to Southern, Kalitta, and others who run the same routes. Well before DHL, much of the former Polar trans-Pacific traffic went to Kalitta via Bettie Ward's contracts with them.
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Old 28th October 2009 | 04:46
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mia-viracopos-santiago-lima-mia,
Yes, Polar did fly that route for some time under Atlas Air's route authority. In more recent times, with a change in management, the tactic has changed to be more economically driven than just as a tool for management to make a point to the Atlas labor force.
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Old 3rd November 2009 | 00:12
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Reality, checked!

Atlas/Polar is now 95% ACMI and will begin passenger service soon on the Atlas side of house. Possible Atlas/Polar merger in the near future. Atlas/Polar negotiations continue with the Atlas Worlwide holding co.
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Old 3rd November 2009 | 05:26
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A merger of the crew forces,, possible. A merger of the certificates?, Ain't gonna happen..
Try and see it from the outside,, looking in.
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Old 3rd November 2009 | 20:01
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Quite agreed. The FAA moves in mysterious ways!
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Old 5th January 2010 | 08:29
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Apparently the first of the Atlas pax -400's for the Sonair operation has been recently been in a new colour scheme at the HAECO facility in HKG?
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Old 5th January 2010 | 15:41
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Quite agreed. The FAA moves in mysterious ways!
Even among themselves.

The POI's of both have deferred to Washington on the issue and are awaiting it's response. That has probably already been bought and paid for so to speak.

As I understand, the POI's of both certificates want to be the boss of the other or the remaining POI of the combined mess.

The manuals have been merged (for the worse in my opinion). Little more is needed except Washington's approval and the pilot contract merger.
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Old 5th January 2010 | 17:11
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Flightmech said: "Apparently the first of the Atlas pax -400's for the Sonair operation has been recently been in a new colour scheme at the HAECO facility in HKG?"

Does anyone have pictures of the Atlas pax -400 in Sonair colors?
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Old 7th January 2010 | 19:27
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It's actually in updated Atlas scheme (Not Sonair) but different colors. I think it compliments the existing Atlas scheme quite well which in my opinion is one of the best paint schemes flying.
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Old 8th January 2010 | 02:50
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Here yaaaaaa go!

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Old 8th January 2010 | 09:36
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Thank you!! There is also supposed to be a N322SG (747-400 owned by Sonair to be operated by Atlas) in HKG as well.
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Old 11th January 2010 | 01:09
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Atlas crews will need the extra flying

Hopefully this passenger flying will help to pay for the pending VERY LARGE union assessment
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Old 11th January 2010 | 01:52
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"Hopefully this passenger flying will help to pay for the pending VERY LARGE union assessment"

Not sure how much of a money maker as opposed to a cost coverer this contract will be, but I wish you luck. The last company that tried to rely on the AMC pax market with 747s was Tower.....AMC is going smaller, the total numbers for the short term are higher but the per flight numbers are definitely trending into the sub 300s, hence the growing number of 767s, to replace DC10s, into the market.
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Old 11th January 2010 | 02:21
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767 tanker + Atlas tanker contract + Atlas pax flying => Atlas AMC Pax flying???
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Old 11th January 2010 | 13:21
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Intruder you're close but not entirely correct. The rest of the details are not suitable for public consumption (yet).

For the most part Atlas ACMI + Unique aircraft with unique capabilities = wide range customer base and providing services beyond what any other ACMI operator to date can provide.
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Old 21st January 2010 | 01:41
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Classic Passenger birds as well

Floating around the training center in Miami, 2 ex-JAL 300's for Military PAX charters. And 2 more 200's coming out of the desert.
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