Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Freight Dogs
Reload this Page >

Atlas Goes With Passengers

Wikiposts
Search
Freight Dogs Finally a forum for those midnight prowler types who utilise the unglamorous parts of airports that many of us never get to see. Freight Dogs is for pilots and crew who operate mostly without SLF.

Atlas Goes With Passengers

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 27th Oct 2009, 20:25
  #41 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I guess with atlas flying the old perennial money losing polar routes,,,,theyre now making money? think its the other way around...
AFAIK, those routes are not being flown at all as scheduled service. However, there are occasional, but irregular, charters by various shippers between the same city pairs. That is inevitable with the withdrawal of so much lift from the industry in the past couple years.
Intruder is offline  
Old 27th Oct 2009, 21:08
  #42 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: USA
Age: 54
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
mia-viracopos-santiago-lima-mia,,that was a scheduled polar run,,,if memory serves me right, its a scheduled run for atlas. question, where did polar`s clients go after the dhl transition?
747pylot is offline  
Old 28th Oct 2009, 02:51
  #43 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I suspect all those forwarders simply went to Southern, Kalitta, and others who run the same routes. Well before DHL, much of the former Polar trans-Pacific traffic went to Kalitta via Bettie Ward's contracts with them.
Intruder is offline  
Old 28th Oct 2009, 04:46
  #44 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Planet Earth
Age: 65
Posts: 238
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
mia-viracopos-santiago-lima-mia,
Yes, Polar did fly that route for some time under Atlas Air's route authority. In more recent times, with a change in management, the tactic has changed to be more economically driven than just as a tool for management to make a point to the Atlas labor force.
nitty-gritty is offline  
Old 3rd Nov 2009, 00:12
  #45 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Ely, NV
Age: 61
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Reality, checked!

Atlas/Polar is now 95% ACMI and will begin passenger service soon on the Atlas side of house. Possible Atlas/Polar merger in the near future. Atlas/Polar negotiations continue with the Atlas Worlwide holding co.
Transglobal2 is offline  
Old 3rd Nov 2009, 05:26
  #46 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Romeo 14
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A merger of the crew forces,, possible. A merger of the certificates?, Ain't gonna happen..
Try and see it from the outside,, looking in.
-- Heracles
Heracles is offline  
Old 3rd Nov 2009, 20:01
  #47 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Ely, NV
Age: 61
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Quite agreed. The FAA moves in mysterious ways!
Transglobal2 is offline  
Old 5th Jan 2010, 08:29
  #48 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: EGSS
Posts: 943
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Apparently the first of the Atlas pax -400's for the Sonair operation has been recently been in a new colour scheme at the HAECO facility in HKG?
Flightmech is offline  
Old 5th Jan 2010, 15:41
  #49 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Planet Earth
Age: 65
Posts: 238
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Quite agreed. The FAA moves in mysterious ways!
Even among themselves.

The POI's of both have deferred to Washington on the issue and are awaiting it's response. That has probably already been bought and paid for so to speak.

As I understand, the POI's of both certificates want to be the boss of the other or the remaining POI of the combined mess.

The manuals have been merged (for the worse in my opinion). Little more is needed except Washington's approval and the pilot contract merger.
nitty-gritty is offline  
Old 5th Jan 2010, 17:11
  #50 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Flightmech said: "Apparently the first of the Atlas pax -400's for the Sonair operation has been recently been in a new colour scheme at the HAECO facility in HKG?"

Does anyone have pictures of the Atlas pax -400 in Sonair colors?
anothercargopilot is offline  
Old 7th Jan 2010, 19:27
  #51 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: USofA
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It's actually in updated Atlas scheme (Not Sonair) but different colors. I think it compliments the existing Atlas scheme quite well which in my opinion is one of the best paint schemes flying.
Deltabravowhiskey is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2010, 02:50
  #52 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 372
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Here yaaaaaa go!

B-HKD is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2010, 09:36
  #53 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thank you!! There is also supposed to be a N322SG (747-400 owned by Sonair to be operated by Atlas) in HKG as well.
anothercargopilot is offline  
Old 11th Jan 2010, 01:09
  #54 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: clovis
Age: 67
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Atlas crews will need the extra flying

Hopefully this passenger flying will help to pay for the pending VERY LARGE union assessment
kikker43 is offline  
Old 11th Jan 2010, 01:52
  #55 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: .
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"Hopefully this passenger flying will help to pay for the pending VERY LARGE union assessment"

Not sure how much of a money maker as opposed to a cost coverer this contract will be, but I wish you luck. The last company that tried to rely on the AMC pax market with 747s was Tower.....AMC is going smaller, the total numbers for the short term are higher but the per flight numbers are definitely trending into the sub 300s, hence the growing number of 767s, to replace DC10s, into the market.
WrldWide is offline  
Old 11th Jan 2010, 02:21
  #56 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
767 tanker + Atlas tanker contract + Atlas pax flying => Atlas AMC Pax flying???
Intruder is offline  
Old 11th Jan 2010, 13:21
  #57 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: USofA
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Intruder you're close but not entirely correct. The rest of the details are not suitable for public consumption (yet).

For the most part Atlas ACMI + Unique aircraft with unique capabilities = wide range customer base and providing services beyond what any other ACMI operator to date can provide.
Deltabravowhiskey is offline  
Old 21st Jan 2010, 01:41
  #58 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Classic Passenger birds as well

Floating around the training center in Miami, 2 ex-JAL 300's for Military PAX charters. And 2 more 200's coming out of the desert.
Fr8Dog is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.