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Hi there, Lufthansa Cargo has a stake of 50% in Aerolgic! Lufthansa Cargo calls Aerologic as a part of the Lufthansa Cargo family! So, at least 50 % of all Pilotjobs belong to Lufthansa Pilots, our and my family! And be sure, we will fight for "our" jobs!!
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Hi there, Lufthansa Cargo has a stake of 50% in Aerolgic! Lufthansa Cargo calls Aerologic as a part of the Lufthansa Cargo family! So, at least 50 % of all Pilotjobs belong to Lufthansa Pilots, our and my family! And be sure, we will fight for "our" jobs!!
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Very flawed reasoning MD11.
A share holding does not carry with it an entitlement to jobs in that company. Otherwise, BA pilots would be entitled to 10% of Iberia jobs, and of Qantas jobs (before they sold). I own a substantial stake in a small oil company - Does that entitle me to a job there? ... erm - No! All it applies to is the board of directors, (and I haven't got that many shares)!
A share holding does not carry with it an entitlement to jobs in that company. Otherwise, BA pilots would be entitled to 10% of Iberia jobs, and of Qantas jobs (before they sold). I own a substantial stake in a small oil company - Does that entitle me to a job there? ... erm - No! All it applies to is the board of directors, (and I haven't got that many shares)!
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You can call me whatever, we (Lufthansa Pilots) will fight for our jobs! Aerologic is financed from the money we earned! Our money, our jobs! So simple!
@ all the whiners
@ all the whiners
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well said rickfly, but the LH guys only want the nice jobs of "the family", they dont want to visit their relatives in China.
Can anyone find out how many shares I have to buy to get my job in LH?
@MD-11F I guess instead of flying you are just cleaning the a/c at the moment.
Can anyone find out how many shares I have to buy to get my job in LH?
@MD-11F I guess instead of flying you are just cleaning the a/c at the moment.
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Yes but not only do you Lufthansa boys want half the jobs for yourselves, you also want to keep your DHL colleagues off the scene too, as witnessed first hand, when I presented myself for a simulator assessment only to be failed at the hands of a hostile Lufthansa assessor.
Not a single DHL pilot has been offered a job with Aerologic which is indeed a shame bearing in mind the initial interview stage does indeed appear to be totally fair and impartial.
Not a single DHL pilot has been offered a job with Aerologic which is indeed a shame bearing in mind the initial interview stage does indeed appear to be totally fair and impartial.
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Basically MD11F is right but I wouldn't express it as drastically as he did!
As long as at Lufthansa Cargo Management count Aerologic as their Baby in my view its a clear sign their longtime strategy is to close the present LCAG airline with the MD 11!
At present they say the Aerologic 777 are going to fly the DHL rotations from Leipzig during the weekdays and during weekends they will do some other LCAG flights. All those flights are operated by the LCAG MD11 at present!
Later they will say oh, the 777 are so much more efficent than the MD11 and will increase the rotations on the LCAG network more and more, until
only a few MD11 are left.
Then they will find other reasons like night curfew at FRA which is being discussed now and the age of the md11 or so to shut down the whole LCAG airline as it might not be commercially viable!
All the present flights will be operated by Aerologic or Jade Cargo then!
So all the jobs at LCAG are lost for the Lufthansa pilot workforce then!
Why they always denied to comit to a successor Aircraft to the MD11?
And to those of you who think Lufthansa pilots are no way interested to go to Shenzen to fly the Jade Cargo 747's I can tell you are just wrong!
In many discussions with Lufthansa pilots I found out so many guys were willing to relocate to shenzen, as well as Leipzig, but they were excluded from these jobs!
As long as at Lufthansa Cargo Management count Aerologic as their Baby in my view its a clear sign their longtime strategy is to close the present LCAG airline with the MD 11!
At present they say the Aerologic 777 are going to fly the DHL rotations from Leipzig during the weekdays and during weekends they will do some other LCAG flights. All those flights are operated by the LCAG MD11 at present!
Later they will say oh, the 777 are so much more efficent than the MD11 and will increase the rotations on the LCAG network more and more, until
only a few MD11 are left.
Then they will find other reasons like night curfew at FRA which is being discussed now and the age of the md11 or so to shut down the whole LCAG airline as it might not be commercially viable!
All the present flights will be operated by Aerologic or Jade Cargo then!
So all the jobs at LCAG are lost for the Lufthansa pilot workforce then!
Why they always denied to comit to a successor Aircraft to the MD11?
And to those of you who think Lufthansa pilots are no way interested to go to Shenzen to fly the Jade Cargo 747's I can tell you are just wrong!
In many discussions with Lufthansa pilots I found out so many guys were willing to relocate to shenzen, as well as Leipzig, but they were excluded from these jobs!
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jumbomax11, thatīs the point exactly! I admit, am to lazy to write it down here in the forum. Once again, 50 % of the jobs are ours! All the blamers and whiners can have the other 50%, see you on your next Linecheck, or Simcheck, hey guys, just kidding, i was fair always and will be! Now i go to clean the parked MD11, getting payed for it very well
, hey guys, just kidding, i was fair always and will be! Now i go to clean the parked MD11, getting payed for it very well
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@ all the Lufthnazi pilots
MD-11F enjoy cleaning the nice bird, nice sunny sunday to do so.
Viel Spaß dabei, Reifen polieren nicht vergessen.
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I think you'll find the assessment day well structured and very fair. The tests are all computer based and consist of;
1. A general knowledge test about anything from music to history or science
2. Maths tests
3. Aeronautical knowledge test
4. B777 tech questionnaire
5. English Language test for non-native speakers
6. Various Puzzle tests - IQ type things
7. Psychometric profile test
The simulator test was conducted in a 737NG sim; it's all raw data flying, taking off from 26L LEJ to do some steep turns, climbing and leveling off in the turn, descending and leveling off in the turn, followed by an engine failure then SE NDB and missed approach then ILS to land.
Good luck; I think it'll be a great job if you can make the grade, so pm me if you need any further information.
1. A general knowledge test about anything from music to history or science
2. Maths tests
3. Aeronautical knowledge test
4. B777 tech questionnaire
5. English Language test for non-native speakers
6. Various Puzzle tests - IQ type things
7. Psychometric profile test
The simulator test was conducted in a 737NG sim; it's all raw data flying, taking off from 26L LEJ to do some steep turns, climbing and leveling off in the turn, descending and leveling off in the turn, followed by an engine failure then SE NDB and missed approach then ILS to land.
Good luck; I think it'll be a great job if you can make the grade, so pm me if you need any further information.
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I forgot to say, the simulator assessment comes on the 2nd day; before the steep turns there is an accelerate & decelerate exercise to settle you in. When the turn exercise comes you'll be asked to roll out whilst climbing or descending on a specific heading.
Bear in mind the assessment procedures may have changed since I did mine over 1 year ago. Also, the f/o test may differ slightly.
Bear in mind the assessment procedures may have changed since I did mine over 1 year ago. Also, the f/o test may differ slightly.
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Hey, Does anyone know if AL has already finalized agreement with LH for ID tickets (private travel) and how the conditions look. Also is AL offering part time contracts?
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This thread http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...sa-pilots.html tends to illustrate just how emotive the issue of outsourcing has become with our Lufthansa colleagues.
Interestingly, it would seem neither Lufthansa or DHL have any pilot transfers to Aerologic. Some sim assessments are being carried out by LH trainers, but that's as far as it goes it would seem.
Interestingly, it would seem neither Lufthansa or DHL have any pilot transfers to Aerologic. Some sim assessments are being carried out by LH trainers, but that's as far as it goes it would seem.
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Benefits! Lh ID flying! Here we are! Aerologic-Lufthansa-Lufthansa Pilots! As said before, our Company, our Jobs, and than, yes ID flying with LH, that simple!
Please donīt take it personal, thatīs a general opinion!
Regards MD11f, future B777
Benefits! Lh ID flying! Here we are! Aerologic-Lufthansa-Lufthansa Pilots! As said before, our Company, our Jobs, and than, yes ID flying with LH, that simple!
Please donīt take it personal, thatīs a general opinion!
Regards MD11f, future B777
