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Well for all you Polar guys that are not sharing in the furloughs with your Atlas brothers and sisters, you will probably be glad to hear that another 20 engineers and another 100 pilots will hit the street. Expect the announcement in the next couple of days.
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Fr8Dog
Having spent two and a half years and two arbitrations, in a terminated, reinstated, furloughed, reinstated although unpaid status, the Polar PFE's aren't happy about anyone being put in a similiar position.
Having spent two and a half years and two arbitrations, in a terminated, reinstated, furloughed, reinstated although unpaid status, the Polar PFE's aren't happy about anyone being put in a similiar position.
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From: jacksonvill, fl
PFE to FO
Well, even if you get your tickets does not guarantee anything. Myself, I went and got my ratings, got upgraded and now because I am an FO, I will be in the streets after 10 yrs in atlas. But again, this is nobodies fault but our own because we could it have one seniority list like Polar, but no, we voted (I could not vote, I was furlough at the time) for 2 list instead. I am so happy for the unity we have in Atlas, I think and I always thought Polar had it right!!
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From: KLAX
Never glad for any loss of any aviation job, Fr8. . .and that's the whole brotherhood point here with today's jobless climate . . Our attempt to keep the AAWW labor force on payroll where possible, as long as possible - be it Atlas crew, Polar crew, or even the arbitrated Polar FE's, airplanes or not!
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Fr8-
We had guys on the street when Atlas didn't just a couple of years ago.
It's not about sharing anymore. It's about two seperate seniority lists until a combined CBA is reached. That's when the real mess will begin as sorting out furloughs out of seniority are probably going to show.
As far as a seperate list for F.E's let this be a lesson about F'ing your buddy to get what you need. What a crock of poo that was. Shame on whoever set that mess up. It's terrible to see a guy/gal with all those years of service get kicked to the curb just because he improved himself by advancing to the front of the airplane. And yes, it's bad to see anyone get kicked to the curb.
Take a pay cut upper management, middle management. That'll cut some cost. What? You're worried you can't live on a high six figure salary? Yeah, that's what I thought. Your ears all of a sudden went deaf didn't they?
And yes, I speak from experience. Three furloughs and a job loss by no fault of my own.
I wish everyone well.
We had guys on the street when Atlas didn't just a couple of years ago.
It's not about sharing anymore. It's about two seperate seniority lists until a combined CBA is reached. That's when the real mess will begin as sorting out furloughs out of seniority are probably going to show.
As far as a seperate list for F.E's let this be a lesson about F'ing your buddy to get what you need. What a crock of poo that was. Shame on whoever set that mess up. It's terrible to see a guy/gal with all those years of service get kicked to the curb just because he improved himself by advancing to the front of the airplane. And yes, it's bad to see anyone get kicked to the curb.
Take a pay cut upper management, middle management. That'll cut some cost. What? You're worried you can't live on a high six figure salary? Yeah, that's what I thought. Your ears all of a sudden went deaf didn't they?
And yes, I speak from experience. Three furloughs and a job loss by no fault of my own.
I wish everyone well.
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From: Planet Earth
Heard a rumor that Polar is closing their Narita operations down. Guess that DHL - Polar Express deal is not working out so well after all.
Do you loose those NRT route authorities after a period of non use?
Do you loose those NRT route authorities after a period of non use?
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From: KLAX
Do you loose those NRT route authorities after a period of non use?
Polar's PVG slots are also now in question . . . if all true, watch as AAWW's stock tank's even further.
Last edited by L-38; 20th February 2009 at 05:21.
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I thought we were all on the same team now nitty, since we MOVED ON and all...
People are losing jobs and you can't drop the pettiness for awhile.
People are losing jobs and you can't drop the pettiness for awhile.
As to "on the same team", that doesn't seem to be coming around to one contingent here unless it selectively suits them.
I don't see any messages (except 1) from the Polar side coming through the union and a pretty non participatory polar/atlas conference call by the same person of the Polar representation. All I hear about are how the Polar guys are not going to pay dues, NOT JOIN THE UNION, and file for a DFR (that should cost some bucks) when DH'd with them. If roles were reversed and I worked at Polar under ALPA, I could see the formation of a new LIST being passed around to union carriers. I'm curious how the new IBT union will deal with it?
So you will have to forgive me. Your response seems even more petty in view of how one group is continuing on and then mentioning "SAME TEAM" in the same breath.
L-38
Thanks for the info.
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From: Navarre
I don't think it is that the polaroids will not pay the dues, it is just they will not have an automatic check deduction. I think there is a lot of mistrust as to what the IBT will do in representing the whole group. Do not get to hard on the polar guys until the proof is in the pudding. As distastful as it may be, in the end they will step up to the plate. Isn't that what is wanted in the end?
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From: Planet Earth
Originally Posted by layinlow
I think there is a lot of mistrust as to what the IBT will do in representing the whole group.
That resulted in where we are now. At the IBT through the decertification process and under the NMB determination that we are a single carrier. Easier and cheaper than doing a DFR against ALPA National. Representing the WHOLE ATLAS/POLAR GROUP is not accomplished by representing just the Polar interests alone as was done under ALPA. It's the combined Atlas/Polar group now. That doesn't seem to suit the Polar group reflected by their lack union participation now. Being a union member at selective times of convenience is not being a union member.
I'm curious if Prater knows he screwed the pooch by doing what he did or is content on just blaming someone else. Most likely the latter.
Last edited by nitty-gritty; 20th February 2009 at 21:32.