ACG Cargo Airlines Germany
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From: Europe
Yes we have many expat pilots. Of course german is an advantage and there will always be the preference towards the german speaking candidate.
The flying corps consists of really nice guys (with the usual two or three
you have in every comany 
). I enjoy to work for ACG and I hope it will stay that way.
To feed some new rumors. D-ACGD will start operation in September.
Maintnance is talking about D-ACGE/F having CF6 Engines. So the management must already have some planes in their cross hairs. AFAIK these planes are the last to come. Where are all these people gone in this thread predicting we would not survive the first year ?
The flying corps consists of really nice guys (with the usual two or three
you have in every comany ). I enjoy to work for ACG and I hope it will stay that way.To feed some new rumors. D-ACGD will start operation in September.
Maintnance is talking about D-ACGE/F having CF6 Engines. So the management must already have some planes in their cross hairs. AFAIK these planes are the last to come. Where are all these people gone in this thread predicting we would not survive the first year ?
Joined: Feb 2009
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From: Switzerland
request for info..
Hello LXD,
Could you be so kind and tell a bit more about the contract? How many days off pro month? Do you need to live in the direct area? Upgrade to command possible? Salary range? etc, etc,,
I am a SFO working at SQC (B744F) and looking for a new home in Europe..
Could you be so kind and tell a bit more about the contract? How many days off pro month? Do you need to live in the direct area? Upgrade to command possible? Salary range? etc, etc,,
I am a SFO working at SQC (B744F) and looking for a new home in Europe..
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From: Europe
Hi there,
guearanteed nine month off per month, of which four can be requested. Considering the salary it is in the top 3 of german airline employers. At least the old T&C´s were. The new contracts are around 20% paycut compared to the guys who started with ACG from the beginning. Old contracts hit overtime at 61 hours+ the new contracts at 65+
According contract you have to live within one hour of Hahn, but only a few guys do. I am commuting myself, and it worked out best so far.
Upgrades nobody knows how and when they will happen. There is a bunch of experienced FOs who were with the company from the beginning and had plenty of 747 experience before they joined. So I assume they will be first for upgrades if there will be upgrades at all. They hire direct entry captains like hell, and many FOs are just pissed of by that. So don't expect any upgrade there withing the next 5 years or so.
Things work fine of you keep low profile, if nobody knows your name, just perfect. A captain who complained a bit too much was sacked this month.
before you apply or join just think of this.
- No Seniority List
- No Pilots Union That means management can do whatever they want
- OFF days are not really OFF Days. The appear on the roster as fast as they disappear
- Not a chance to take relatives with you. This is blocked by all means by one of the mid-level managers.
- You pay for your catering. Yes no joke. They deduct 40% of your per diem on a flight day. 20% goes off again, if you have a hotel with breakfast (which are all on the network)
- Almost no augmented crew operation, only if they are forced by law. HHN-HKG with two man crew is one of the highlights. Basically you are 8 days on the road for around 25-30 hours block. As long as I work here I never had significantly more than 65 hours. So overtime pay is nice theory you never gonna see it. When you get the T&C´s just cross out all the overtime gimmicks, and you have your real T&C`s that you can expect.
If I didn't scare you too much go ahead and apply. We all hope these things above will improve; hope always dies last
guearanteed nine month off per month, of which four can be requested. Considering the salary it is in the top 3 of german airline employers. At least the old T&C´s were. The new contracts are around 20% paycut compared to the guys who started with ACG from the beginning. Old contracts hit overtime at 61 hours+ the new contracts at 65+
According contract you have to live within one hour of Hahn, but only a few guys do. I am commuting myself, and it worked out best so far.
Upgrades nobody knows how and when they will happen. There is a bunch of experienced FOs who were with the company from the beginning and had plenty of 747 experience before they joined. So I assume they will be first for upgrades if there will be upgrades at all. They hire direct entry captains like hell, and many FOs are just pissed of by that. So don't expect any upgrade there withing the next 5 years or so.
Things work fine of you keep low profile, if nobody knows your name, just perfect. A captain who complained a bit too much was sacked this month.
before you apply or join just think of this.
- No Seniority List
- No Pilots Union That means management can do whatever they want
- OFF days are not really OFF Days. The appear on the roster as fast as they disappear
- Not a chance to take relatives with you. This is blocked by all means by one of the mid-level managers.
- You pay for your catering. Yes no joke. They deduct 40% of your per diem on a flight day. 20% goes off again, if you have a hotel with breakfast (which are all on the network)
- Almost no augmented crew operation, only if they are forced by law. HHN-HKG with two man crew is one of the highlights. Basically you are 8 days on the road for around 25-30 hours block. As long as I work here I never had significantly more than 65 hours. So overtime pay is nice theory you never gonna see it. When you get the T&C´s just cross out all the overtime gimmicks, and you have your real T&C`s that you can expect.
If I didn't scare you too much go ahead and apply. We all hope these things above will improve; hope always dies last
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From: Europe
Hi there!
Well, in the last few weeks I did most of my trips with heavy crew!
For the catering; well, it´s wrong if you say you pay for it - it is a tax issue, not a company issue - your per diems get reduced if you get a free meal in the plane or in the hotel.
All other points I agree mostly, nice company, but there are things to be worked on.
All in all a very nice bunch of people to work and fly with, business seems to go extremly well.
Well, in the last few weeks I did most of my trips with heavy crew!
For the catering; well, it´s wrong if you say you pay for it - it is a tax issue, not a company issue - your per diems get reduced if you get a free meal in the plane or in the hotel.
All other points I agree mostly, nice company, but there are things to be worked on.
All in all a very nice bunch of people to work and fly with, business seems to go extremly well.
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From: Arizona USA
...it is a tax issue, not a company issue - your per diems get reduced if you get a free meal in the plane or in the hotel.
Clearly, the company does not care about FD crew (FD crew, a definite asset in a cargo company, make no mistake...think delays and extended duty hours, unlike pax carriers who have plenty of extra guys)...not a good sign.
I suspect this will bite them sooner or later.
My money is on....sooner.
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: USA
absolutely right
called a friend in Germany today: if you are not a local/native and if you find Hahn, it is in the middle of nowhere, a nice Ryanair resort in summer season - hardly to find - easy to forget, but can be a real nightmare if you stuck there. If you have lots of flights it might be OK but with 60 hours/monthly and all the LH veterans flying for zero money it is a nono
called a friend in Germany today: if you are not a local/native and if you find Hahn, it is in the middle of nowhere, a nice Ryanair resort in summer season - hardly to find - easy to forget, but can be a real nightmare if you stuck there. If you have lots of flights it might be OK but with 60 hours/monthly and all the LH veterans flying for zero money it is a nono
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From: I wouldn't know.
There is absolutely no taxation issue with crewmeals on board, thats just a lame excuse, other german carriers provide those without any issues at all. There is one with free breakfast in a hotel and tax free per diems though.
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From: FFM
Hhn Based
excuse me for barging in but i have a question. what is the problem of being based in HHN? is LUX such a thrilling place to live? or what about Jeddah? you all go fly for CV or AAI if they ask you, dont you? ( i know i know 411A or is it Z in the meantime, won't) we have belgians,dutch yes even brits, flying or driving in on or before departure day, hitting the hotel around the corner, checking in and flying off to DXB,HKG,PVG etc etc to shoot their !!!!, chase some pooseys and do all those things that cant be done at home or for that matter in HHN, so what? I for one am not whining about my worklocation, Hell! they even opened up a Burger King in spitting distance from the terminal.
KAL I hear you say... good luck, and tell me about the working conditions please. anyways enough ranting from my part, different characters different taste I suppose. All of you happy landings.
KAL I hear you say... good luck, and tell me about the working conditions please. anyways enough ranting from my part, different characters different taste I suppose. All of you happy landings.
Joined: Aug 2010
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From: Europe
Me too, I don't see the problem with Hahn. Much better than Erfurt or Zweibrücken. Next big city is Koblenz what means 80km drive, what is very reasonable when you fly long range.Ryanair flies in from dozens of destinations, so it is really no problem at all getting there. If you want to live there, as I said. Choose Koblenz. Beautiful city, not far away.
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From: Switzerland
Hello LXD,
Thanks for all your info, I have an interview comming up with ACG, it looks like a nice company to work for, Although I do think that TNT (out of LUIK) a better contract has to offer.. Anyway I will check it out and see from there..
Thanks for all your info, I have an interview comming up with ACG, it looks like a nice company to work for, Although I do think that TNT (out of LUIK) a better contract has to offer.. Anyway I will check it out and see from there..
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From: los angeles
Flock me...NSC do you have new batteries installed????raving lunatic,HHN is getting to you isnt it?anyway congrats on your birthday, many happy returns, see you at daddys house the 11th, greetings from sunny jeddah
ps.411a is zipcode for jellinekkliniek
ps.411a is zipcode for jellinekkliniek
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From: FFM
lexxie
Mr Raving Lunatic please, at least I have a british poltical party named after me. And no new batteries, I carry a solarpanel on my back and guess where the plug goes in?? I am now a raving lunatic solr panALIST. btw hows jeddah during ramadan?
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From: Germany
And another one...!
According to Luftverkehrs-Branchenportal - airliners.de, the fourth aircraft, D-ACGD, has now joined the fleet. This time it's a BCF, ex-Singapore Airlines, leased from Martinair.
Vierte Boeing 747 für Air Cargo Germany - Netzwerkplanung - Verkehr - airliners.de
Pic here: Foto Air Cargo Germany Boeing 747-412(BCF) D-ACGD
Who would have believed this a year ago?!
Vierte Boeing 747 für Air Cargo Germany - Netzwerkplanung - Verkehr - airliners.de
Pic here: Foto Air Cargo Germany Boeing 747-412(BCF) D-ACGD
Who would have believed this a year ago?!
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From: Gatwick
LTN
Has LTN started or even finished the runway extension ? If not - then LTN can not have a MTOW B747F as runway is too short ! Also taxi way to cargo stand needs strengthening. Atlas had a nightmare getiing back out after dropping off an engine a couple of years ago !!!!
NSC......most likely the reason why no answer. They are too busy laughing !
NSC......most likely the reason why no answer. They are too busy laughing !