ACG Cargo Airlines Germany
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I know that payloads don't mean anything. Guess what I ment by saying "other details"...
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Shame on us
Pilots...... we should be the worst of human kind.
One minute a collegue comes as says that heīs enjoying his new company, beeing happy, etc, and on the next minute you have dozens of mad dogs barking .
And please donīt come with the " down to heart" bull###.
What you donīt reallize is that if one airline goes down, guess what? You could be the next one.
Since we have so many aviation laureates in this forum, you guys know better that anyone else thatīs the way aviation goes. A BIG DOMINO.
Even if you fly for a so called " Big company" just refresh yor minds with cases like Pan Am, SwissAir, Varig, etc, etc, etc
Anyway, wish you all safe flights back home .
Use the sun, not the shadow
One minute a collegue comes as says that heīs enjoying his new company, beeing happy, etc, and on the next minute you have dozens of mad dogs barking .
And please donīt come with the " down to heart" bull###.
What you donīt reallize is that if one airline goes down, guess what? You could be the next one.
Since we have so many aviation laureates in this forum, you guys know better that anyone else thatīs the way aviation goes. A BIG DOMINO.
Even if you fly for a so called " Big company" just refresh yor minds with cases like Pan Am, SwissAir, Varig, etc, etc, etc
Anyway, wish you all safe flights back home .
Use the sun, not the shadow
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First flight on 28. july, was it? And now after 3 month the company is doining pretty good? Oh come on, thats bull****. Maybe they are on track, maybe they are on their business plan, but they are loosing money and they do have low prices to get into the market. I did a start up with a Cargo Airline, always full, bust after 2 years. And that was in better times.
No Cargo Airline is doining good at the moment, lets hope for ACG that they have enough money to survive these difficult times and stay in business until they realy start to make some profit.
@Patroni, of course they share their datas with the pilots, like always "Dont worry we are doinig better than expected"
Best of luck for all the guys at ACG.
No Cargo Airline is doining good at the moment, lets hope for ACG that they have enough money to survive these difficult times and stay in business until they realy start to make some profit.
@Patroni, of course they share their datas with the pilots, like always "Dont worry we are doinig better than expected"
Best of luck for all the guys at ACG.
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Cargo is picking up far quicker than expected actually and loads and more inmportant revenue are picking up day after day at most Cargo/ Night Freight Airlines. Within Europe as well as Long-Haul to Africa and Asia.
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Well, I don't blame people, that are suspicious of a new start-up. On the other hand, ACG may be able to take advantage of the fact that Cargolux nearby in LUX are not expanding.
Luxembourg is a chapter on its own, The space for expansion at ELLX is limited, the local lobby regarding Airport Noise, etc. poweful, yet the LUX goverment does not want Cargolux expand to other bases such as HHN.
This very well might be a good opportunity for ACG. If they can eventually manage to get proper freighters (i.e. 747-400F or even 747-800F) instead of the BCFs, then they really could steal a good portion of CX and even LH cargo business. HHN Airport is very flexible and a great place to do business.
....And they have some nice Ex-Oasis guys on board....Is DM still doing the SIM or is he to be seen in the Pubs around the globe again...???
Good Luck guys !!!!
Luxembourg is a chapter on its own, The space for expansion at ELLX is limited, the local lobby regarding Airport Noise, etc. poweful, yet the LUX goverment does not want Cargolux expand to other bases such as HHN.
This very well might be a good opportunity for ACG. If they can eventually manage to get proper freighters (i.e. 747-400F or even 747-800F) instead of the BCFs, then they really could steal a good portion of CX and even LH cargo business. HHN Airport is very flexible and a great place to do business.
....And they have some nice Ex-Oasis guys on board....Is DM still doing the SIM or is he to be seen in the Pubs around the globe again...???
Good Luck guys !!!!
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FrontRunner:
a) Detailed Company Information doesn't belong into an open discussion forum. That is why it is "vague". We are better informed at ACG than you might think.
b) Read previous statements better, before you post. All the companies I worked for before are STILL in business. I worked for exec, low cost, legacy; in Germany and as an expat. I made my experience.
It is really impressive how all the self-announced business experts from outside know better how the standing of the company is, than the companyīs people themselves. I wonder why these people still sit in a cockpit to earn money. They should run own airlines, when they are so clever... or they just aren't ? who knows... Pro-Pretenders are everywhere.
So long...
a) Detailed Company Information doesn't belong into an open discussion forum. That is why it is "vague". We are better informed at ACG than you might think.
b) Read previous statements better, before you post. All the companies I worked for before are STILL in business. I worked for exec, low cost, legacy; in Germany and as an expat. I made my experience.
It is really impressive how all the self-announced business experts from outside know better how the standing of the company is, than the companyīs people themselves. I wonder why these people still sit in a cockpit to earn money. They should run own airlines, when they are so clever... or they just aren't ? who knows... Pro-Pretenders are everywhere.
So long...
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Come on Robby, take it easy.
Hard times specially for freight, a startup always loses money, the question is how much. If you say ACG is doing pretty good, it might be a little optimistic.
To know exactly how pretty good the company is doing after 3 month, you have to be CFO of the company.
Hard times specially for freight, a startup always loses money, the question is how much. If you say ACG is doing pretty good, it might be a little optimistic.
To know exactly how pretty good the company is doing after 3 month, you have to be CFO of the company.
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Hey Snoopy747,
can you get more than 4 days off in a row and/or get them back to back (end/beginning month) and have less off days between the trips?
Are there any plans for upgrading FO's?
Thanks and I hope your company keeps on going like this
can you get more than 4 days off in a row and/or get them back to back (end/beginning month) and have less off days between the trips?
Are there any plans for upgrading FO's?
Thanks and I hope your company keeps on going like this
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@EAM who is 'Robby' ?
Wohoo, what new info that a starup is losing money at the beginning
Really ? I always thoght you get an airline like this running for free... you really need money for this ??? 
Well, some people even call this "investment". Fact is, that the flight operation itself is profitable. ACG is not flying, just to fill the planes. We have no fixed route network that we MUST fly regardless of payload, like many others...
@conch
at the moment we have three or four days off between the trips. Schedule is total unpredictable at the moment. The experienced FOīs will be upgraded when the "old captains league" from Lufthansa & Co is too old to fly. This will happen sooner or later
Wohoo, what new info that a starup is losing money at the beginning
Really ? I always thoght you get an airline like this running for free... you really need money for this ??? Well, some people even call this "investment". Fact is, that the flight operation itself is profitable. ACG is not flying, just to fill the planes. We have no fixed route network that we MUST fly regardless of payload, like many others...
@conch
at the moment we have three or four days off between the trips. Schedule is total unpredictable at the moment. The experienced FOīs will be upgraded when the "old captains league" from Lufthansa & Co is too old to fly. This will happen sooner or later
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Have to agree with L1100-500. On the other hand, "All the companies I worked for before are STILL in business. I worked for exec, low cost, legacy; in Germany and as an expat. I made my experience." sounds swaggering, diction and style awake memories of a fly737ng guy from another forum. Calming down will help. A shut mouth catches no flies. 
Small is beautiful. Hearing that an employee is happy is not bad either compared to all the other stories we hear. Having options = companies around never is a bad thing, especially if the labour market is as tight and regulated as the german one.
Small is beautiful. Hearing that an employee is happy is not bad either compared to all the other stories we hear. Having options = companies around never is a bad thing, especially if the labour market is as tight and regulated as the german one.
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@snoppy747
LH747 retierement CPTs will be a never ending line....these guys know each ohter very well....
To be promoted is very important. At the moment it doesn't make any sense to speculate when will be your upgrade....
I hope ACG is doing well in future, anything else we will see in two months when the Christmas run is over and the Asian business will be slowing down again.
However ACG is still in business instead of other competitors, which are still parking airplanes in the high season
LH747 retierement CPTs will be a never ending line....these guys know each ohter very well....
To be promoted is very important. At the moment it doesn't make any sense to speculate when will be your upgrade....
I hope ACG is doing well in future, anything else we will see in two months when the Christmas run is over and the Asian business will be slowing down again.
However ACG is still in business instead of other competitors, which are still parking airplanes in the high season
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However ACG is still in business instead of other competitors
But a startup in cargo business usualy offers prices which hardly cover the costs of the flight, just to start the network. So even if you have 100t on that 744, it does not even mean that the flight is paid. Everything under 100t you are loosing money.
On US routes you dont make any profit at all.
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To get customers, you have basically three options :
- Offer a service that nobody else offers (obviously not the case here as ACG is not the only operator to offer maindeck capacity between the Far East and Europe).
- Underbid the market prices (possibly the case here but nobody knows the rates they offer).
- Have a very good salesman with some loyal customers that trust him and the service he is able to offer (also possibly the case here). So for the same rate as the legacy rate, the customer will choose you instead of KE, OZ, SQ or CV.
It is sad to say but the salesman is the most important person in the company.
To EAM, you can make profit under 100t payload (although not easily). You just have to choose carefully the routes you fly. Fly an AOG engine or some urgent drilling equipment to Luanda or Lagos and you gonna make profit with 20t payload on a 747F. Flexibility is also a key. Profit can come from how desperate the customer is to fly his freight.
You can also make profit on some US routes if you have the good customer. Fly for the US military and you'll still be able to make profit flying a crap -100F or -200F from the US across the world :-)
That said, I think it is too early to tell if they gonna go bust or not. Time will tell.
- Offer a service that nobody else offers (obviously not the case here as ACG is not the only operator to offer maindeck capacity between the Far East and Europe).
- Underbid the market prices (possibly the case here but nobody knows the rates they offer).
- Have a very good salesman with some loyal customers that trust him and the service he is able to offer (also possibly the case here). So for the same rate as the legacy rate, the customer will choose you instead of KE, OZ, SQ or CV.
It is sad to say but the salesman is the most important person in the company.
To EAM, you can make profit under 100t payload (although not easily). You just have to choose carefully the routes you fly. Fly an AOG engine or some urgent drilling equipment to Luanda or Lagos and you gonna make profit with 20t payload on a 747F. Flexibility is also a key. Profit can come from how desperate the customer is to fly his freight.
You can also make profit on some US routes if you have the good customer. Fly for the US military and you'll still be able to make profit flying a crap -100F or -200F from the US across the world :-)
That said, I think it is too early to tell if they gonna go bust or not. Time will tell.
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A.C.G. Hahn:
Hi there one and all,
I have a friend/ex. B747-200F First Officer to whom has been approached
for hire9via agency), we think for A.C.G. Currently now type rated for 400.
1. Does anybody knew how they are currently doing?
2. What salary,DIEM's etc they currently pay?
3. Understand they are mostly operating charters?
We would really appreciate any assistance by return,
Thanks
I have a friend/ex. B747-200F First Officer to whom has been approached
for hire9via agency), we think for A.C.G. Currently now type rated for 400.
1. Does anybody knew how they are currently doing?
2. What salary,DIEM's etc they currently pay?
3. Understand they are mostly operating charters?
We would really appreciate any assistance by return,
Thanks
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Frosh, I must dissapoint you. I have no clue who you are talking about. This is the only pilot site I am active on if that helps your prosecution of my identity.
Details on ACG: For how we are doing, kindly ask Hetfield, he is the expert on that.
Salary and Terms and Conditions won"t be posted by me - neither open, nor via PM. Thanks for understanding.
Applications: Plenty
Stream of "Legacy Retiries" has been cut. Big appreciation from all three stripers on that within the company
Details on ACG: For how we are doing, kindly ask Hetfield, he is the expert on that.
Salary and Terms and Conditions won"t be posted by me - neither open, nor via PM. Thanks for understanding.
Applications: Plenty
Stream of "Legacy Retiries" has been cut. Big appreciation from all three stripers on that within the company
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There is an agent or three looking for 744 FOs and Capts, Euro based.
Thx.
