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>At least Astar got rid of the MEC chairman that buddied up with your Henderson that towed the same line and rhetoric.<
Untrue. No one on any of our MEC's has ever "toed" the same line and rhetoric as Henderson. Our recall of one of our MEC's had nothing to do with that, and everything to do with negotiations. I've had chats with Henderson after the ILN integration. At no time did he ever make references like that about ABX in my presence. Don't be dragging us into the AAWWH soap opera, please. You have quite a full cast of characters on your own, with out adding any more.
Untrue. No one on any of our MEC's has ever "toed" the same line and rhetoric as Henderson. Our recall of one of our MEC's had nothing to do with that, and everything to do with negotiations. I've had chats with Henderson after the ILN integration. At no time did he ever make references like that about ABX in my presence. Don't be dragging us into the AAWWH soap opera, please. You have quite a full cast of characters on your own, with out adding any more.
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If Polar wins its no merger arbitration, what would that do to the Atlas/Teamster single carrier status plan?
Or do you mean, "Single carrier status" as regards union voting.
Or do you mean the two airlines merged under one SCBA because that next step would be down to the company.
Personally, with the merged seniority list, I'm going to take a good slide down the pecking order, but I'm ready TO MOVE ON!
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Mark,
No one at Atlas and no-one I know is 'Demonizing' the average Polar crewmember. As all of us have said MANY MANY times before, we do not want you to go away. We just want to get the merger done and GET ON WITH life. Get to our new scope clause negotiations, get to our new compensation negotiations (although the losses in bargaining power are now in the Millions - no thanks to Bobb Henderson, Robin Hair, and Mark Hoover).
So your statements are ridiculous. You sound like a little boy - "they don't like me - they want to hurt me - MOMMY!"
The real issue here is WHY don't you want to merge. Just answer that. WHY? You will have access to a growing fleet, expanding routes, and be able to get to your (our) contract negotiations.
Your courage is commendable but what are you fighting for? A scope Clause? Why? Do you want to be your own stand alone airlines? WHY? With only five airplanes and a very small route structure? WHY? This is beyond childish and silly.
You don't like the thought of merging with Atlas, even though you actually liked it several years ago when you thought the merged list was going to increase your seniority. Yet you have the temerity to accuse the Atlas MEC of only looking out for their best interests? WHY? Why did you want to merge before but don't now?
I heard the furlough notices are in the mail. Wouldn't an MEC that wanted to serve its members try hard to work with all parties involved to actually PREVENT furloughs? WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? I heard the ANC basing event has already been explained to the Polar MEC? WHY haven't you told your crews yet? WHY?
You make some serious accusations Mark for someone in a glass house.....
Joetommy - there is no "Atlas/Teamster single carrier plan." Simple. Atlas pilots will soon be teamsters with or without the Polar pilots. In fact, through all of this there was some hard work done to keep ALPA from petitioning for a Single carrier status. If single carrier status happens it will be from Bobbrobin requesting it, not from the Atlas guys. And we all know how the company feels. But to answer your larger question, when it comes time to negotiate the merged contract, there will be 750+ Atlas/Teamster guys voting and 123 Polar/ALPA guys voting.
No one at Atlas and no-one I know is 'Demonizing' the average Polar crewmember. As all of us have said MANY MANY times before, we do not want you to go away. We just want to get the merger done and GET ON WITH life. Get to our new scope clause negotiations, get to our new compensation negotiations (although the losses in bargaining power are now in the Millions - no thanks to Bobb Henderson, Robin Hair, and Mark Hoover).
So your statements are ridiculous. You sound like a little boy - "they don't like me - they want to hurt me - MOMMY!"
The real issue here is WHY don't you want to merge. Just answer that. WHY? You will have access to a growing fleet, expanding routes, and be able to get to your (our) contract negotiations.
Your courage is commendable but what are you fighting for? A scope Clause? Why? Do you want to be your own stand alone airlines? WHY? With only five airplanes and a very small route structure? WHY? This is beyond childish and silly.
You don't like the thought of merging with Atlas, even though you actually liked it several years ago when you thought the merged list was going to increase your seniority. Yet you have the temerity to accuse the Atlas MEC of only looking out for their best interests? WHY? Why did you want to merge before but don't now?
I heard the furlough notices are in the mail. Wouldn't an MEC that wanted to serve its members try hard to work with all parties involved to actually PREVENT furloughs? WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? I heard the ANC basing event has already been explained to the Polar MEC? WHY haven't you told your crews yet? WHY?
You make some serious accusations Mark for someone in a glass house.....
Joetommy - there is no "Atlas/Teamster single carrier plan." Simple. Atlas pilots will soon be teamsters with or without the Polar pilots. In fact, through all of this there was some hard work done to keep ALPA from petitioning for a Single carrier status. If single carrier status happens it will be from Bobbrobin requesting it, not from the Atlas guys. And we all know how the company feels. But to answer your larger question, when it comes time to negotiate the merged contract, there will be 750+ Atlas/Teamster guys voting and 123 Polar/ALPA guys voting.
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Originally Posted by joetommy
How about a little help with my previous question.
I read stuff like this:
Your courage is commendable but what are you fighting for? A scope Clause? Why?
I spoke my piece.
Cheers and beers.
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JT - nope. Single carrier status is not a major selling point. There are too many other reasons to go Teamsters.
Ejet. The point I am trying to make is why fight for a scope clause that will cause the loss of ALL jobs and cause the airline to go away. Wouldn't it be smarter to finish the merger and negotiate for a decent scope clause and decent wages. There certainly is a small chance to find an arbitrator who will rule in favor of Bobbrobin. That is what they want to do; delay delay while filing continuous grievances and hope to get an arbitrator that will rule favorably for them. But my question is, To what end? And, are you all willing to bet your jobs on that small chance? What will be the end result? And the really big question is are you all playing right into Prater and Helling's hands?
I have said this before and will continue to say it. Don't win the battle if you don't want to lose the war. Look at what Polar has already lost. With the June furloughs they will be roughly 1/3 the size they were when Bobb took office. In fact they will be EXACTLY the size that the Atlas merger committee said they would be. 123 pilots. With 516 coming back to Atlas, Polar will be down to 5 planes running a few Japan routes and one SA route. All under Bobbrobins tenure.
How long will the shrinkage continue - and WHY? Wouldn't it be better to merge and all work together to get to a decent contract. Many of the Atlas pilots, as Atlast said, will be losing seniority - but all are willing to do so because it is what was agreed on when they agreed on "binding arbitration," because they want to get to the merged contract negotiations. That is impossible right now due to Bobbmarkrobin.
Ejet. The point I am trying to make is why fight for a scope clause that will cause the loss of ALL jobs and cause the airline to go away. Wouldn't it be smarter to finish the merger and negotiate for a decent scope clause and decent wages. There certainly is a small chance to find an arbitrator who will rule in favor of Bobbrobin. That is what they want to do; delay delay while filing continuous grievances and hope to get an arbitrator that will rule favorably for them. But my question is, To what end? And, are you all willing to bet your jobs on that small chance? What will be the end result? And the really big question is are you all playing right into Prater and Helling's hands?
I have said this before and will continue to say it. Don't win the battle if you don't want to lose the war. Look at what Polar has already lost. With the June furloughs they will be roughly 1/3 the size they were when Bobb took office. In fact they will be EXACTLY the size that the Atlas merger committee said they would be. 123 pilots. With 516 coming back to Atlas, Polar will be down to 5 planes running a few Japan routes and one SA route. All under Bobbrobins tenure.
How long will the shrinkage continue - and WHY? Wouldn't it be better to merge and all work together to get to a decent contract. Many of the Atlas pilots, as Atlast said, will be losing seniority - but all are willing to do so because it is what was agreed on when they agreed on "binding arbitration," because they want to get to the merged contract negotiations. That is impossible right now due to Bobbmarkrobin.
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Why don't you both post your scope clauses here and we can all look at them and the one with the worst scope claus has the worst MEC. Now that is a simple solution to the whole argument.
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Originally Posted by WhaleFR8
The point I am trying to make is why fight for a scope clause that will cause the loss of ALL jobs and cause the airline to go away. Wouldn't it be smarter to finish the merger and negotiate for a decent scope clause and decent wages. There certainly is a small chance to find an arbitrator who will rule in favor of Bobbrobin. That is what they want to do; delay delay while filing continuous grievances and hope to get an arbitrator that will rule favorably for them. But my question is, To what end? And, are you all willing to bet your jobs on that small chance? What will be the end result? And the really big question is are you all playing right into Prater and Helling's hands?
I have said this before and will continue to say it. Don't win the battle if you don't want to lose the war. Look at what Polar has already lost. With the June furloughs they will be roughly 1/3 the size they were when Bobb took office. In fact they will be EXACTLY the size that the Atlas merger committee said they would be. 123 pilots. With 516 coming back to Atlas, Polar will be down to 5 planes running a few Japan routes and one SA route. All under Bobbrobins tenure.
How long will the shrinkage continue - and WHY? Wouldn't it be better to merge and all work together to get to a decent contract. Many of the Atlas pilots, as Atlast said, will be losing seniority - but all are willing to do so because it is what was agreed on when they agreed on "binding arbitration," because they want to get to the merged contract negotiations. That is impossible right now due to Bobbmarkrobin.
I have said this before and will continue to say it. Don't win the battle if you don't want to lose the war. Look at what Polar has already lost. With the June furloughs they will be roughly 1/3 the size they were when Bobb took office. In fact they will be EXACTLY the size that the Atlas merger committee said they would be. 123 pilots. With 516 coming back to Atlas, Polar will be down to 5 planes running a few Japan routes and one SA route. All under Bobbrobins tenure.
How long will the shrinkage continue - and WHY? Wouldn't it be better to merge and all work together to get to a decent contract. Many of the Atlas pilots, as Atlast said, will be losing seniority - but all are willing to do so because it is what was agreed on when they agreed on "binding arbitration," because they want to get to the merged contract negotiations. That is impossible right now due to Bobbmarkrobin.
You are so stuck on a push that was driven by AAWH under different times and conditions. Regardless of the road travelled, look at the beginning and where we're at now.
In the beginning they said "one airline, one certificate, one pilot group". Both groups agreed to this fact. Under the above conditions, the merger process was begun. The COMPANY changed the game when they sold 49% of PO. That is a MAJOR change in what was presented. I would never continue a deal when a major tenant is changed, I wouldn't expect my MEC to either. I'm sure you can understand that. Thinking about that, I don't understand why the 5Y MEC wasn't upset about the restructuring.
The most contankerous of all merger issues, seniority, was settled. Done. Everyone agreed, it was arbitrated, and appearantly done well, as pilots from both sides complained. If there is one good-faith indication of commitment to a merger, a completed seniority list is pretty high up on the list.
After that was complete PO had a minority share sold off, and is to be maintained as a seperate certificate. PO pilots are disagreeing with 5Y pilots and the company on what constitutes a "complete operational merger". The grievance process is on going. Instead of letting it maintain it's course, people get on pprune and bitch about PO's foot dragging. Do you think the process would have gone any faster if it was 5Y filing the grievance?
Why fight for scope in an existing CBA? That may be the dumbest question (rhetorical or not) of a union member ever asked. SCOPE is the only thing that keeps us in work. The rest of the CBA is worthless without any jobs to have. Go back and read the post where the merged items are listed. About 0 are operational. Everything listed was ADMINISTRATIVE. The OpSpecs are identical verbiage because all opspecs are created equal. An operator looks at the menu and orders the paragraphs they want. One would imagine our opspecs look damn near identical to Connie's or Southern's.
You keep saying Polar is delaying. I think the company did a pretty good job taking up the 3 days of scheduled arbitration on their grievance.
Speaking of that, how come you have NEVER once assigned any blame on the company?
Here are the threats:
1) Polar will be a 6 airplane fleet forever. You don't wanna be a 6 airplane fleet.
2) Polar is not economical as a 6 airplane fleet (GSS appearantly makes money flying 3 -400s around. That's 3 airplanes that 5Y or PO pilots SHOULD be flying.....and yes I have been under a scope clause where GSS could exist, but would be flown by unionized pilots of the parent company)
3) We're going to ship all ya'll up to ANC
4) PO will be a 1 airplane airline.
5) 516 is going back to the lessor
BTW, according to our CBA, they can't furlough when alliance flying is occuring. JC sent out a copy of the alliance flying agreement.
Do you really think DHL will pull all the flying if PO wins the arbitrations, and remain a separate group? Would AAWH go through all this dog-and-pony show about DHL in EVERY SINGLE presentation if they thought it was a shaky contract? Did you read the BSA and the FSA?
They do a great job hyping up all the work they have for 5Y, and for PO, so why is either company threatened for a work-force reduction?
Polar was already awarded more flying for DHL and the aiplanes are ACMI from Atlas with Atlas Crews flying them. (Look up the press release yourself).
Do you really think the airline will be shut down due to one grievance? The shareholders will put the uppermanagement's heads on spears and drag their bodies through the townsquare if the f-up the DHL deal.
What happens if they remove the PO pilots from the PO certificate? Will they try to remove all the pilots from the 5Y certificate next? Then will they fire all of us during negotiations when there's a group of pilots that will contract to them cheaper than we work? If the PO pilots are removed from the certificate, they will do the same for 5Y.
Follow the money. As much as they'd like to make us think they really care one way or the other about this, but they have a publicly-traded company to run. They pay those mofos big money to make the stock price go up. If PO tanks, they stock will drop. If they drop the DHL deal, there will be no one in upper management you'd recognize.
These boys wanna play in the big leagues. They care about $$$. The CFO, at the April 14 investor day (it's the one where there was one VP left off the flow chart.). was asked how much senior captains make. He guessed "200 grand all-in". They did know that they are able to stretch the 5Y workforce by 24% due to the "flexibility (ie involuntary extension)" of the Atlas crews. They don't know what they pay you, but they know it's cheaper to pay a premium for extension than hire more crews and let you have a life.
At the end of the day, they'll grow the company regardless of one pilot group or 2. This isn't going to be the end of the world for PO if we win, and it won't be the end of the world for 5Y either.
No matter what the outcome is, I'll go to work, flip my switches and look forward to seeing my family as soon as I can, whether it's here, Connie's or god knows where.
Oh, please re-read my post about the Teamsters. Been there, done that.
fly safe, and you best hope for us all.
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Your comment about furlough notices goes a long way to demonstrate the disgusting relationship the Atlas MEC has with Cato and why the Polar side distrusts that MEC. Indeed, Cato was busy engineering more nonsense to coerce Polar and set Dave up in his position today. The boat has sailed on dealing with either.
Polar crewmembers have made clear that they will not be intimidated and want no part of a merger that violates their CBA, and dooms them to the Atlas CBA minus concessions--no doubt the bargaining would be 2v1.
Whale, you've gloated over the misfortune heaped on Polar crewmembers who are only defending their rights. You eagerly anticipate and approve of more coercion by the Cato/Bourne team to damage Polar crewmembers, and the transfer of more flying. You applaud the actions of an MEC who sends Paul Alves to testify against the Polar FEs, and keep them out of work. You continue to blame another MEC for delays in your negotiations, when your own leadership sold the Atlas crewmembers down the river with two LOAs delaying Section 6 negotiations in return for their precious Flight Pay Loss. LOAs that the Polar MEC refused to sign. TRAGIC. You, Whale, and your pathetic minority make the Polar case for staying clear.
Atlas crewmembers know the truth. As always, I hope they will make decisions which will finally give them some representation. The "many" have tolerated these "few" for too damn long. This Teamsters nonsense is a gamble that will have implications far beyond keeping Dave and John employed (and Tom busy posting)--it has been expected for a long time.
Your comment about furlough notices goes a long way to demonstrate the disgusting relationship the Atlas MEC has with Cato and why the Polar side distrusts that MEC. Indeed, Cato was busy engineering more nonsense to coerce Polar and set Dave up in his position today. The boat has sailed on dealing with either.
Polar crewmembers have made clear that they will not be intimidated and want no part of a merger that violates their CBA, and dooms them to the Atlas CBA minus concessions--no doubt the bargaining would be 2v1.
Whale, you've gloated over the misfortune heaped on Polar crewmembers who are only defending their rights. You eagerly anticipate and approve of more coercion by the Cato/Bourne team to damage Polar crewmembers, and the transfer of more flying. You applaud the actions of an MEC who sends Paul Alves to testify against the Polar FEs, and keep them out of work. You continue to blame another MEC for delays in your negotiations, when your own leadership sold the Atlas crewmembers down the river with two LOAs delaying Section 6 negotiations in return for their precious Flight Pay Loss. LOAs that the Polar MEC refused to sign. TRAGIC. You, Whale, and your pathetic minority make the Polar case for staying clear.
Atlas crewmembers know the truth. As always, I hope they will make decisions which will finally give them some representation. The "many" have tolerated these "few" for too damn long. This Teamsters nonsense is a gamble that will have implications far beyond keeping Dave and John employed (and Tom busy posting)--it has been expected for a long time.
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Originally Posted by hvydriver
Our recall of one of our MEC's had nothing to do with that, and everything to do with negotiations. I've had chats with Henderson after the ILN integration. At no time did he ever make references like that about ABX in my presence. Don't be dragging us into the AAWWH soap opera, please. You have quite a full cast of characters on your own, with out adding any more.
The scab statement was made by Henderson at the Global Pilots Alliance meeting with Heir Buchner (sp?) that Henderson crashed uninvited. The statement was made while the ABX 1224 VP was standing within earshot of Henderson making the statement to your now departed chairman.
Whether you canned him for his negotiations ability or what ever, we don't care now that he is gone.
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Since I had a direct line to those meetings, and nothing like that was ever reported being said, I doubt your story has merit. I also chat with ABX pilots. I'm confident that if such a thing had been said, I'd have heard about it. Like I said. Leave us out of your train wreck.
>Since he got recalled, that just explains matters even more.<
No, he was not recalled. He was the sacrificial lamb so our beloved CEO could save a little face. He was moved to the Vice Chair position after the TA was announced. And he resigned after the contract was put out for ratification, which was his stated intent when he was put in office in the first place. We recalled our previous MEC because they were going to sign off on a concessionary contract. Now that its been clarified what went on at our little corner of the field, I'm outta here.
>Since he got recalled, that just explains matters even more.<
No, he was not recalled. He was the sacrificial lamb so our beloved CEO could save a little face. He was moved to the Vice Chair position after the TA was announced. And he resigned after the contract was put out for ratification, which was his stated intent when he was put in office in the first place. We recalled our previous MEC because they were going to sign off on a concessionary contract. Now that its been clarified what went on at our little corner of the field, I'm outta here.
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Are you saying you walked the line with us? Funny,I didn't see any Atlas crews on the shifts that I worked. Just how did you put your job on the line?
You know, for years now I have heard so much dribble about the other shoe dropping at Polar, and it never seems to happen. Over the years various tricks have been used. For instance, we know that merc9 and whale were able to access our IP addresses for their much touted lawsuit that went nowhere. Which reminds me to tell all you out there to watch you back, these two may have your account IP addresses and any log on names you use may be compromised. There is no doubt that Bourne and Caputo worked and still work doing Cato's bidding. Too much get out concerning confidential material for it not to.
If Atlas wants to go to the Teamsters, fine; but ask yourself this: What's in it for me vs. whats in it for the company? Sure you have a nasty contract. Well, go ahead and get it fixed!! Don't you think that Cato may be using this merger (that is probably not going to happen, was never meant to) as distraction from keeping you from doing just that? Management is just fine with the CBA. Are you? And while I am at it, would the Teamsters makes it look any better, and if so how long would that take? Does the Teamsters have a plan that will guarantee anything to you?
I mentioned earlier that I would like to see a merger, because the company doesn't. So, how can they delay it. Easy, knowing that one MEC strictly interprets the CBA, why not try to merge in violation of their scope clause and use the other MEC as a willing, or unwitting, accomplice. That way they can:
1. Divide and conquer
2. Continue to use Stanstead to the detriment of the crew member
3. Continue to use IRS tax implications so you will not use the gateway you so hard fought for.
4. Give the minions a once a years profit sharing bonus and tell them how good they have it.
5. Open a new venue in Ireland
5. Possibility to suspend a current CBA and delay negotiating a new one while the "new union gets in place"
Go and change if you want but all you will have accomplished is to leave ALPA and I seriously doubt you would have improved you position with the company.
You know, for years now I have heard so much dribble about the other shoe dropping at Polar, and it never seems to happen. Over the years various tricks have been used. For instance, we know that merc9 and whale were able to access our IP addresses for their much touted lawsuit that went nowhere. Which reminds me to tell all you out there to watch you back, these two may have your account IP addresses and any log on names you use may be compromised. There is no doubt that Bourne and Caputo worked and still work doing Cato's bidding. Too much get out concerning confidential material for it not to.
If Atlas wants to go to the Teamsters, fine; but ask yourself this: What's in it for me vs. whats in it for the company? Sure you have a nasty contract. Well, go ahead and get it fixed!! Don't you think that Cato may be using this merger (that is probably not going to happen, was never meant to) as distraction from keeping you from doing just that? Management is just fine with the CBA. Are you? And while I am at it, would the Teamsters makes it look any better, and if so how long would that take? Does the Teamsters have a plan that will guarantee anything to you?
I mentioned earlier that I would like to see a merger, because the company doesn't. So, how can they delay it. Easy, knowing that one MEC strictly interprets the CBA, why not try to merge in violation of their scope clause and use the other MEC as a willing, or unwitting, accomplice. That way they can:
1. Divide and conquer
2. Continue to use Stanstead to the detriment of the crew member
3. Continue to use IRS tax implications so you will not use the gateway you so hard fought for.
4. Give the minions a once a years profit sharing bonus and tell them how good they have it.
5. Open a new venue in Ireland
5. Possibility to suspend a current CBA and delay negotiating a new one while the "new union gets in place"
Go and change if you want but all you will have accomplished is to leave ALPA and I seriously doubt you would have improved you position with the company.
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In all of my years of commercial flying(20+) I have never in my life seen an MEC so unstable, without direction and lacking in leadership than the Atlas MEC. But that is typical. It trullely mirrors an AAWW management team that has the exact same qualities. I can honestly say how fortunate(and lucky) I am to have an MEC with direction and leadership. If I were an Atlas crewmember, with the instability and the "we dont really know what to do" attitude. I would be afraid. Very afraid.
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The Atlas MEC is doing a good job. Circumstances, unfortunately, constantly hinder them. First it was someone in the polar union who subverted the Atlas strike. Then the polar union prevented the Atlas pilots from getting a contract. Then ALPA national took all the dues and further prevented a merger. Then management forced the Atlas pilots to work hideous schedules, go to outbases for 30 days, and accept Stansted (even though there is little to no flying directly out of Stansted).
None of this could have been foreseen or prevented. A move to a new union should solve most of the problems.
None of this could have been foreseen or prevented. A move to a new union should solve most of the problems.
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Layinlow : "Just how did you put your job on the line?" When the Chief Pilot gets my private personal cellphone number from out of the blue and tells me to enter BLDG 23 at JFK or I'm fired and I tell him no, it's a picketted building even though there are no pickets there, I call that putting my job on the line.
Now let it go and move on.
Biilybob521 : It won't solve ALPA's problem. They want us close to keep control and they want our dues in the face of declining revenue. We're moving on.
Whaledriver101 : Atlas MEC has direction and leadership and Atlas crewmembers approve of that direction and leadership. We're moving on.
Layinlow : To say that John and Dave are doing Cato's bidding is insane and I ask you once again to prove that absurdity. Divide and conquer you say; Atlas and Polar crew will be no more divided than they are already. We're throwing out an olive branch so we can all move on together.
CptVac : I'm still laughing but I have to admit you said something truthful,
"Atlas crewmembers know the truth." We absolutely do; that truth enables us to move on.
EJetCA : Don't leave the thread, you have some good points and it's a good read. You really seem as if you want to move on.
Now let it go and move on.
Biilybob521 : It won't solve ALPA's problem. They want us close to keep control and they want our dues in the face of declining revenue. We're moving on.
Whaledriver101 : Atlas MEC has direction and leadership and Atlas crewmembers approve of that direction and leadership. We're moving on.
Layinlow : To say that John and Dave are doing Cato's bidding is insane and I ask you once again to prove that absurdity. Divide and conquer you say; Atlas and Polar crew will be no more divided than they are already. We're throwing out an olive branch so we can all move on together.
CptVac : I'm still laughing but I have to admit you said something truthful,
"Atlas crewmembers know the truth." We absolutely do; that truth enables us to move on.
EJetCA : Don't leave the thread, you have some good points and it's a good read. You really seem as if you want to move on.
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It will solve a big problem for ALPA.
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Putting your job on the line means not going into the building like one of your brethren did in Miami. He got fired and was subsequently rehired at the insistence of the Polar union who refused to agree to a settlement until everyone at Atlas who was fired for not crossing was rehired. That is putting your job on the line. Wear your battle star well.
Putting your job on the line means not going into the building like one of your brethren did in Miami. He got fired and was subsequently rehired at the insistence of the Polar union who refused to agree to a settlement until everyone at Atlas who was fired for not crossing was rehired. That is putting your job on the line. Wear your battle star well.