DHL/ATLAS/POLAR Connection?
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We all appreciate getting to look at these documents. In the furtherance of truth and the understanding of other Professional Pilots, why don't you post them instead? I'm sure Nitty would appreciate the break and allow him to MOVE ON.
Interesting, in a Kevin Bacon way or maybe not:
'Nuff Said is attributed to Stan Lee from Marvel Comics. Marvel comics emerged from a company called Atlas Comics.
Nitty letter was from Cato. 'Nuff said
Interesting, in a Kevin Bacon way or maybe not:
'Nuff Said is attributed to Stan Lee from Marvel Comics. Marvel comics emerged from a company called Atlas Comics.
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Nice catch!
On the serious side though. Over the years the Atlas MEC and those on this forum have touted how the Atlas MEC has done this for them, done that for them, has an inroads to various ALPA committees, I could go on and on. Now we know that this was all poppycock. If I were and Atlas crew member I would ask how my money was being spent, and how much real effort was being made my Bourne in my behalf while he was in behind the scenes scheming. You don't really believe this came out of the blue do you? This had to be a long process. Given the close relationship with Cato and the council, I would be very careful in jumping into the bed with those two (didn't you throw out one of your committee chairman when you found him to be a Cato mole?). Come on now, why did Cato send a letter meant for the Polar MEC to the Alas MEC?
If the Atlas crews jump to the Teamsters, that is their choice, I just hope they do it with their eyes wide open. To me, there is something definitely rotten and stinks to high heaven. Whether it is Bourne/Cato, Bourne Teamsters,Bourne/Teanmsters/Cato, or something else, don't let your exasperation with the slow pace of the Polar negotiations cloud your good judgement. Things are never, ever, greener on the other side of the fence. And if after all that, you feel it is your best interest, bon voyage!
On the serious side though. Over the years the Atlas MEC and those on this forum have touted how the Atlas MEC has done this for them, done that for them, has an inroads to various ALPA committees, I could go on and on. Now we know that this was all poppycock. If I were and Atlas crew member I would ask how my money was being spent, and how much real effort was being made my Bourne in my behalf while he was in behind the scenes scheming. You don't really believe this came out of the blue do you? This had to be a long process. Given the close relationship with Cato and the council, I would be very careful in jumping into the bed with those two (didn't you throw out one of your committee chairman when you found him to be a Cato mole?). Come on now, why did Cato send a letter meant for the Polar MEC to the Alas MEC?
If the Atlas crews jump to the Teamsters, that is their choice, I just hope they do it with their eyes wide open. To me, there is something definitely rotten and stinks to high heaven. Whether it is Bourne/Cato, Bourne Teamsters,Bourne/Teanmsters/Cato, or something else, don't let your exasperation with the slow pace of the Polar negotiations cloud your good judgement. Things are never, ever, greener on the other side of the fence. And if after all that, you feel it is your best interest, bon voyage!
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Give me a Break!!!!!
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If they're laughing, it's not too loud. I'm willing to compare W2's with a lot of other industry guys, who have endured furloughs, pay and benefit cuts, downsizing due to the cost of rising fuel. At Atlas Air, we did not furlough or cut pay while in babkruptcy, we're still hiring, getting 2 more 400's this year and will be taking delivery of brand new 747-8's in a little over 2 years from now, our stock is at an all time high, and lets not forget our record profit sharing checks $$$$$
I'll admit our CBA is not the best, but I'm willing to work with our MEC to get a better contract next time around, would have been better if we were a combined work force to take on the company, but many polaroids think they're better off going it alone...good luck
Sorry to tell you this but, The Industry has LAUGHED at Atlas for a few years now. Since you signed that contract !
If they're laughing, it's not too loud. I'm willing to compare W2's with a lot of other industry guys, who have endured furloughs, pay and benefit cuts, downsizing due to the cost of rising fuel. At Atlas Air, we did not furlough or cut pay while in babkruptcy, we're still hiring, getting 2 more 400's this year and will be taking delivery of brand new 747-8's in a little over 2 years from now, our stock is at an all time high, and lets not forget our record profit sharing checks $$$$$
I'll admit our CBA is not the best, but I'm willing to work with our MEC to get a better contract next time around, would have been better if we were a combined work force to take on the company, but many polaroids think they're better off going it alone...good luck
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Trash hauler: Considering what a crappy contract we have, I and others, believe our MEC has done a great job.
As for where our dues money is going, it would appear that an extremely large chunk of it is going indirectly to the Polar MEC. We however keep paying because that is what Union brothers and Sisters do.
As for the copies of Cato's letters to our MEC, it's Cato mileage. He's extremely good at what he does. The old divide, conquer, manipulate routine. If he thought he could get an extra millimeter of leverage, he'd do it in a Purchase minute. Come on, think about it; you know the guy. One little CC to our MEC has got you wound up a little more than that millimeter eh? He's winning.
As for Dave's new position, I think he's going to be great and to have the head of the airline division know your position first hand is a tremendous boon. As to how he got there, is it not analogous with being at an airline and sending your resume out to other airlines? Ever done that?
As for greener on the other side, we're about fed up with how ALPA has paved over our yard. WE'RE MOVING ON!
Oh by the way, trash hauler is an anagram of ATLAS ERR HUH!
As for where our dues money is going, it would appear that an extremely large chunk of it is going indirectly to the Polar MEC. We however keep paying because that is what Union brothers and Sisters do.
As for the copies of Cato's letters to our MEC, it's Cato mileage. He's extremely good at what he does. The old divide, conquer, manipulate routine. If he thought he could get an extra millimeter of leverage, he'd do it in a Purchase minute. Come on, think about it; you know the guy. One little CC to our MEC has got you wound up a little more than that millimeter eh? He's winning.
As for Dave's new position, I think he's going to be great and to have the head of the airline division know your position first hand is a tremendous boon. As to how he got there, is it not analogous with being at an airline and sending your resume out to other airlines? Ever done that?
As for greener on the other side, we're about fed up with how ALPA has paved over our yard. WE'RE MOVING ON!
Oh by the way, trash hauler is an anagram of ATLAS ERR HUH!
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If they're laughing, it's not too loud. I'm willing to compare W2's with a lot of other industry guys,
And then there is this. My pay at Atlas: $172/hour plus 13% profit sharing. If I were at Polar: $147.
The Polar pilot group, or parts of it, have always looked down on Atlas. And then they got bought by them when they were expecting to "save" United, FDX or UPS. All this noise flows from that.
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Well Son, as you get older you'll find money wasn't everything. Quality of life would have been better. Good Luck to you. I got mine, retired to play golf.
And then there is this. My pay at Atlas: $172/hour plus 13% profit sharing. If I were at Polar: $147.
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Well Son, as you get older you'll find money wasn't everything. Quality of life would have been better. Good Luck to you. I got mine, retired to play golf
Jan: Home for 17 days.
Feb: Home for 16 days (Airline Feb, one day from Jan and Mar included).
Mar: Home for 15 days.
Apr: Home for 14 days.
Good luck in retirement.
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I could see that happening very easily.
Then they would move the flying to someone else as they have done in the past.
Merging would probably solve this whipsawing between the groups that has been going on since Polar was purchased so many years ago. Worked to Polar's advantage at one time when they thought their scope clause would allow them to gain others flying and keep it for themselves -forever- not thinking that it was going to happen to them later on during their negotiations. The scope clause only changed slightly the tactics the holding company uses on moving the flying back and forth.
And it will continue until we are merged.
Then they would move the flying to someone else as they have done in the past.
Merging would probably solve this whipsawing between the groups that has been going on since Polar was purchased so many years ago. Worked to Polar's advantage at one time when they thought their scope clause would allow them to gain others flying and keep it for themselves -forever- not thinking that it was going to happen to them later on during their negotiations. The scope clause only changed slightly the tactics the holding company uses on moving the flying back and forth.
And it will continue until we are merged.
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cptvac:
Sir/ Madam,
I'm not sure if our understandings are the same, but it seems like we are starting to agree. Perhaps we are starting TO MOVE ON and it's all due to BOURNE, albeit Jason!
"Ultimatum" and "Conspiracy". How incredibly accurate.
I'm not sure if our understandings are the same, but it seems like we are starting to agree. Perhaps we are starting TO MOVE ON and it's all due to BOURNE, albeit Jason!
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BettyLou:
This is not the posting of a Professional Pilot!
I believe that if you have a problem, redress is thru your MEC via your CBA.
Remember, " MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME "
MOVE UP & MOVE ON!
Cato can send the Polar pilots to the top of the world ... His fuel bill will soar to the same height.
I believe that if you have a problem, redress is thru your MEC via your CBA.
Remember, " MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME "
MOVE UP & MOVE ON!
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BillyBob521:
What sort of rejoinder is that? What exactly are you referring to? If you are looking for an answer, please ask a question; If you are posting a rumor, please be a Professional Pilot. WE'RE MOVING ON! JOIN US.
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black!
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I wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole. Good luck been with teamsters seen it, it sucks. Make sure you have you teamsters Fee I think it is 150$ to join then you pay your dues. I hope it works out for you and your professional pilots!
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Excellent reply BillyBob521; there's nothing like good healthy discussion and I believe you have contributed nothing like good healthy discussion.
I could be wrong, so why don't you explain your position? Isn't it something to do with a black kettle on the end of a 10 foot pole? I'm sure there is a Professional Pilot link in there somewhere.
Anyway, we appreciate your recognition of our professionalism and we're sure it will work out because WE'RE MOVING ON!
I could be wrong, so why don't you explain your position? Isn't it something to do with a black kettle on the end of a 10 foot pole? I'm sure there is a Professional Pilot link in there somewhere.
Anyway, we appreciate your recognition of our professionalism and we're sure it will work out because WE'RE MOVING ON!
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I believe that if you have a problem, redress is thru your MEC via your CBA.
Remember, " MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME "
Remember, " MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME "
Too funny
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I don't think so! Rob Rilly:
" MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME " A phrase by Polar to support Bobb ! How cute......Now you are Movin' On
" MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME " was uttered during Southern Air Transport's drive to unionize (The original SAT) back in '97/'98 and I don't think we were the original coiners of the phrase then! I've still got some of the little round stickers somewhere. It predates Bobb by a long stretch!
WE REALLY ARE MOVING ON!
Incidentally, POLAR first started by bootstrapping off of Southern's Certificate. Now there's a link!
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