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Mr. Lilly is just an angry old man stirring the pot. I have flown with some real characters out of the northwest corner in MIA over the past 30+ years, but never in my life heard a pilot insult another fly-boy when he does not even know the circumstances. I think he should up his prozac.
By the way RIlly, I guess if you had been on board the a/c that box would not have dared to come apart.
Sheeech What a D___ Head you are
By the way RIlly, I guess if you had been on board the a/c that box would not have dared to come apart.
Sheeech What a D___ Head you are
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Nah, last time in Miami was 03/04/00.
Pretty much puts ya outta the current loop then, eh?
Man I done seez some stupid Long Beach posting in this thread, but 8 years vacant and authority, that takes the cake.
Or am I just assuming the post was mo/da/yr format, I does get confused about them. If I confabulate the slashes into different places, the latest I get ya is at training 4 years ago.
Ohhh... now I see.
Well too bad. Condolences to Bob Fell
Pretty much puts ya outta the current loop then, eh?
Man I done seez some stupid Long Beach posting in this thread, but 8 years vacant and authority, that takes the cake.
Or am I just assuming the post was mo/da/yr format, I does get confused about them. If I confabulate the slashes into different places, the latest I get ya is at training 4 years ago.
Ohhh... now I see.
Well too bad. Condolences to Bob Fell
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Didn't want to break up the insult trading, but this just came out and is somewhat on topic in some sections pertaining to the arbitration and new developments.
Originally Posted by AAI VARS
Good afternoon Crewmembers. This is MEC Chairman David Bourne with a VARS update for Sunday February 17th, 2008.
Tuesday and Wednesday of this week, the Negotiating Committee will be in Washington at the direction of the ALPA Executive Council to meet with the Polar Negotiating Committee to begin working on joint areas of concern as both groups prepare for the possible Joint Contract negotiations that will result in the Single Collective Bargaining Agreement, or SCBA, that will govern the merged pilot group.
The Executive Council and ALPA President Prater were clear that these discussions needed to begin so that, in the event the Company's merger grievance against the Polar MEC is upheld. You may also recall that both the Atlas and Polar CBAs, and ALPA Merger Policy require these joint negotiations. The Company's merger grievance is scheduled to be held March 25th to the 27th. We understand that the Company has also asked for additional dates to ensure the case can get heard and a decision issued as soon as possible. In the unlikely instance that the Company's merger grievance is not upheld, we and your Negotiating Committee will be ready to begin immediate Section 6 negotiations, but those will be OUR negotiations, not joint negotiations with any other MEC.
Again...let me be clear about this weeks meetings. They are NOT for the purpose of preparing for separate Section 6 negotiations, as has been suggested by a recent Polar Negotiations Committee Update. The Executive Council and President Prater have made it very clear that the sole purpose of these meetings is to get ready for the SCBA negotiations.
On to other matters. As you know, the Company has already announced the acquisition of two additional -400s for the Atlas fleet, and we are hopeful that is just the beginning. Our first new hire class has passed their orals and are now in the sims. A new hire class started this past week and another will be starting shortly. We're also happy to note that the Company has a class of retired crewmembers coming back, as First Officers. Obviously, the Training Center is busy, and we can expect this will be the case for the balance of the year to cover growth, new customers, and any expansion flying for DHL.
The Spring Quarter Council meeting will be held on Tuesday, March 25th at the Hilton Garden Inn- 2100 East Mariposa Avenue, El Segundo CA. The meeting will start at 3pm.
On the scheduling front, our meetings last week with the Scheduling Committee were productive. Atlas reports that they have found the source of the latest problem. Apparently, AIMS changed the PBS program without coordination with the Company. They now think that they have the PBS software problem fixed that created havoc in last month's bid. As a result, we have directed the Scheduling Committee to pay close attention to the bid scrub this month and if the system is not working well, to implement an alternative plan and take immediate corrective action. Our patience with AIMS is wearing thin.
We've been advised by the company that a number of AMC operations into Bagram AFB in Kabul have been scheduled. The first operated today, and two are scheduled for next week. We understand that Atlas is not the first carrier to operate for the AMC into Bahgram. We have been told that over the past several months there have been dozens of such missions by some of our competitors. Regardless, we take these missions very seriously, and have been in discussions with the Company about the security situation. Not surprisingly, these missions will be planned for no layovers. If there is an AOG, the crew will remain in secure housing on base. The company has also advised us they intend to voluntarily invoke the "Hostile Area Pay" provision of the CBA for all operations into Bagram. As soon as we have more information, we will advise you.
The Company has advised that it will be announcing its 2007 financials at the end of February. That means profit sharing will be paid shortly thereafter, likely by March 15th. And given what we have already heard, the Atlas crewmembers will be enjoying an even larger profit sharing check than the record pay out from last year. We will be meeting with the Company, together with ALPA National financial staff, to review the distribution formula. Bottom line -- it's nice to share in the success that we had a major role in making happen.
In closing, yesterday, your MEC unanimously, authorized the filing of Article 8 charges against the Polar MEC. We took this action very reluctantly, recognizing the seriousness of doing so, but under the circumstances felt we had no choice. Their ongoing verbal attacks against the Atlas Crew members, including actions sanctioned by them intended to harm your careers and the reputations simply could not be tolerated any longer. We will include a copy of the letter with the blast mail of this VARS and post it on the website. Freedom of speech is one thing; when it crosses the line to open slander of you and others, we can and will demand sanctions. Especially when an ADR Board, authorized by the Association has fully exonerated you. Again, it was not our first choice in taking this action against another MEC, but after all other efforts to stop this harassment have been rejected by the Polar MEC chairman, we simply had no other real option.
That's it for this update. Thanks for calling.
Until the next update after the joint contract discussions in Washington with the Polar Negotiating Committee this week...fly safe.
Link to Article VIII Charges: Click here for PDF
Tuesday and Wednesday of this week, the Negotiating Committee will be in Washington at the direction of the ALPA Executive Council to meet with the Polar Negotiating Committee to begin working on joint areas of concern as both groups prepare for the possible Joint Contract negotiations that will result in the Single Collective Bargaining Agreement, or SCBA, that will govern the merged pilot group.
The Executive Council and ALPA President Prater were clear that these discussions needed to begin so that, in the event the Company's merger grievance against the Polar MEC is upheld. You may also recall that both the Atlas and Polar CBAs, and ALPA Merger Policy require these joint negotiations. The Company's merger grievance is scheduled to be held March 25th to the 27th. We understand that the Company has also asked for additional dates to ensure the case can get heard and a decision issued as soon as possible. In the unlikely instance that the Company's merger grievance is not upheld, we and your Negotiating Committee will be ready to begin immediate Section 6 negotiations, but those will be OUR negotiations, not joint negotiations with any other MEC.
Again...let me be clear about this weeks meetings. They are NOT for the purpose of preparing for separate Section 6 negotiations, as has been suggested by a recent Polar Negotiations Committee Update. The Executive Council and President Prater have made it very clear that the sole purpose of these meetings is to get ready for the SCBA negotiations.
On to other matters. As you know, the Company has already announced the acquisition of two additional -400s for the Atlas fleet, and we are hopeful that is just the beginning. Our first new hire class has passed their orals and are now in the sims. A new hire class started this past week and another will be starting shortly. We're also happy to note that the Company has a class of retired crewmembers coming back, as First Officers. Obviously, the Training Center is busy, and we can expect this will be the case for the balance of the year to cover growth, new customers, and any expansion flying for DHL.
The Spring Quarter Council meeting will be held on Tuesday, March 25th at the Hilton Garden Inn- 2100 East Mariposa Avenue, El Segundo CA. The meeting will start at 3pm.
On the scheduling front, our meetings last week with the Scheduling Committee were productive. Atlas reports that they have found the source of the latest problem. Apparently, AIMS changed the PBS program without coordination with the Company. They now think that they have the PBS software problem fixed that created havoc in last month's bid. As a result, we have directed the Scheduling Committee to pay close attention to the bid scrub this month and if the system is not working well, to implement an alternative plan and take immediate corrective action. Our patience with AIMS is wearing thin.
We've been advised by the company that a number of AMC operations into Bagram AFB in Kabul have been scheduled. The first operated today, and two are scheduled for next week. We understand that Atlas is not the first carrier to operate for the AMC into Bahgram. We have been told that over the past several months there have been dozens of such missions by some of our competitors. Regardless, we take these missions very seriously, and have been in discussions with the Company about the security situation. Not surprisingly, these missions will be planned for no layovers. If there is an AOG, the crew will remain in secure housing on base. The company has also advised us they intend to voluntarily invoke the "Hostile Area Pay" provision of the CBA for all operations into Bagram. As soon as we have more information, we will advise you.
The Company has advised that it will be announcing its 2007 financials at the end of February. That means profit sharing will be paid shortly thereafter, likely by March 15th. And given what we have already heard, the Atlas crewmembers will be enjoying an even larger profit sharing check than the record pay out from last year. We will be meeting with the Company, together with ALPA National financial staff, to review the distribution formula. Bottom line -- it's nice to share in the success that we had a major role in making happen.
In closing, yesterday, your MEC unanimously, authorized the filing of Article 8 charges against the Polar MEC. We took this action very reluctantly, recognizing the seriousness of doing so, but under the circumstances felt we had no choice. Their ongoing verbal attacks against the Atlas Crew members, including actions sanctioned by them intended to harm your careers and the reputations simply could not be tolerated any longer. We will include a copy of the letter with the blast mail of this VARS and post it on the website. Freedom of speech is one thing; when it crosses the line to open slander of you and others, we can and will demand sanctions. Especially when an ADR Board, authorized by the Association has fully exonerated you. Again, it was not our first choice in taking this action against another MEC, but after all other efforts to stop this harassment have been rejected by the Polar MEC chairman, we simply had no other real option.
That's it for this update. Thanks for calling.
Until the next update after the joint contract discussions in Washington with the Polar Negotiating Committee this week...fly safe.
Link to Article VIII Charges: Click here for PDF
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In closing, yesterday, your MEC unanimously, authorized the filing of Article 8 charges against the Polar MEC. We took this action very reluctantly, recognizing the seriousness of doing so, but under the circumstances felt we had no choice. Their ongoing verbal attacks against the Atlas Crew members, including actions sanctioned by them intended to harm your careers and the reputations simply could not be tolerated any longer.
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Whale, I guess you haven't read any of your past posts. Maybe it is you who should be brought up on charges.
As for Bobb and the rest of the council. As can attest that they are extemely honorable and I noticed that the charges filed are very vague with no substance. Maybe if it were more specific, I would take notice, but as it is....nah.
As for Bobb and the rest of the council. As can attest that they are extemely honorable and I noticed that the charges filed are very vague with no substance. Maybe if it were more specific, I would take notice, but as it is....nah.
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Originally Posted by layinlow
Maybe it is you who should be brought up on charges.
As for Bobb and the rest of the council. As can attest that they are extemely honorable...
As for Bobb and the rest of the council. As can attest that they are extemely honorable...
So much for extremely honorable. Maybe you should review the ALPA Code of Ethics and remember that Polar collectively has to comply with them also. Not just when it pleases them.
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"Well this should be interesting"
Yes it should - Uncle Bobb sure seems to have his hands full.
At any rate - best of luck to those crewmembers who find themselves operating into OAIX. With the classic now expendable, I suspect that hull insurance rate's was more of an AAWW issue than pilot safety. For this reason alone a -400 would unlikely be used there.
Yes it should - Uncle Bobb sure seems to have his hands full.
At any rate - best of luck to those crewmembers who find themselves operating into OAIX. With the classic now expendable, I suspect that hull insurance rate's was more of an AAWW issue than pilot safety. For this reason alone a -400 would unlikely be used there.
