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This new company, City Wide Cargo is to be based at SEN apparently. Anyone know anything about them, backers, a/c types, t's & c's etc
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As far as my limited knowledge goes I believe this company very small and is going to be operating a Cargo Configured Piper Chieftain I didnt know it was a Southend Based company nor do I know that have started negotiation about starting out of SEN, but its real and they have been looking around for an Ops guy last time I heard.
Anyone with more info willing to share with us would be very nice especially if they got thier pilots yet or are they yet to be hired, Hmmm it must be real but how much Cargo can a Chief carry and what is the operational costs of this plane per hour.
Good luck to them it be nice if it goes ahead SEN could do with a company based there.
Anyone with more info willing to share with us would be very nice especially if they got thier pilots yet or are they yet to be hired, Hmmm it must be real but how much Cargo can a Chief carry and what is the operational costs of this plane per hour.
Good luck to them it be nice if it goes ahead SEN could do with a company based there.
I can confirm the owner is in his 20s and is of Lebanese Origine and the Aircraft type is definetly a PA31. Thread Starter
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wannabe-aviator thanks for the input.
Anyone else know anything. From what I've heard, they appear genuine but like so many potential start ups, one never can tell.
Does anyone have a link to the CAA to show an AOC application is under way ?
Anyone else know anything. From what I've heard, they appear genuine but like so many potential start ups, one never can tell.
Does anyone have a link to the CAA to show an AOC application is under way ?
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Think WA may know a bit more than he's telling !
In previous psts he's asked for the application form for an AOC.
He's asked about BACs 360s - CWC currently advertising a 360 on 'Barnstormers'
He's asked about a Metro 3 - CWC advertising for a Metro 3 on 'Barnstormers'
He's asked about LET410s - CWC were advertising LET410s on 'Barnstormers'
He's asked about cargo carrying Chieftains - CWC are apparently going to operate one.
He's asked about a 'new cargo operator' at Southend and knew there was Arab money involved.
He's asked about flightops software for a small company operating 2 aircraft on pax & cargo charters.
In reply to a question about Lebanon he replied 'our country is in complete political meltdown'.
Quite why it then needed 'a million and one phone calls' to find the info I'm not too sure as he'd already posted most of it before!!
In previous psts he's asked for the application form for an AOC.
He's asked about BACs 360s - CWC currently advertising a 360 on 'Barnstormers'
He's asked about a Metro 3 - CWC advertising for a Metro 3 on 'Barnstormers'
He's asked about LET410s - CWC were advertising LET410s on 'Barnstormers'
He's asked about cargo carrying Chieftains - CWC are apparently going to operate one.
He's asked about a 'new cargo operator' at Southend and knew there was Arab money involved.
He's asked about flightops software for a small company operating 2 aircraft on pax & cargo charters.
In reply to a question about Lebanon he replied 'our country is in complete political meltdown'.
Quite why it then needed 'a million and one phone calls' to find the info I'm not too sure as he'd already posted most of it before!!
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Now I 'may' be wrong, but this idea was mooted to operate off the back of another operator's AOC who coincidently operate the PA31-350 and have Middle East backing/ownership ?
As for the SD3-60, well thats a non-starter due to the cost of TAWS and TCAS for any of the scrap thats sitting around SEN/CVT etc rotting away, the wheat has been seperated from the chaff with all that junk and its unlikely that there would ever be another SD3-60 go into service in the UK as there just aren't any good ones left.
Be careful at this end of the market, believe me the work is more specialised than ever, on the Metro front the Spanish cannot be beaten on price and contracts are getting few and far between, ad-hoc is still around but less and less with the main player in the brokering world preferring to buy hours then 'manage' aircraft for their work with foreign operators than use one off charters with more expensive UK operators.
My genuine advice is that unless its underpined with a contract or two, there simply isnt the ad hoc work for that type of aircraft to go around.
As for the SD3-60, well thats a non-starter due to the cost of TAWS and TCAS for any of the scrap thats sitting around SEN/CVT etc rotting away, the wheat has been seperated from the chaff with all that junk and its unlikely that there would ever be another SD3-60 go into service in the UK as there just aren't any good ones left.
Be careful at this end of the market, believe me the work is more specialised than ever, on the Metro front the Spanish cannot be beaten on price and contracts are getting few and far between, ad-hoc is still around but less and less with the main player in the brokering world preferring to buy hours then 'manage' aircraft for their work with foreign operators than use one off charters with more expensive UK operators.
My genuine advice is that unless its underpined with a contract or two, there simply isnt the ad hoc work for that type of aircraft to go around.
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If memory serves, it was a long time ago I worked with PA31's
Navajo about 600kg
Chieftain about 800 Kgs
Obviously dependent on the sector, and these girls could still have the pax seats in at the drop of a hat. We had two chiefs and one Nav at National, they were kept pretty busy, but that was a long time ago.
As for the DOC's, no idea, but I guess you can pick them up cheap enough which helps.
Last time I used one was for an AOG spares flight to LYS. The aircraft had to ferry to LYS Bron at their expence to uplift AVGAS to make the return to the UK, that does not help the DOC's.
Still, AOG flights always will be needed, and big manufactures still have 'just in time' component cock-ups so good luck to CWC, there is money to be made if you can launch quick enough.
Think it was 1KG of documents for Emery Worldwide SEN-BRU to catch the transatlantic that was the least I ever sold a PA31 for. Stopped them loosing a major customer, so they footed the bill both ways.
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Navajo about 600kg
Chieftain about 800 Kgs
Obviously dependent on the sector, and these girls could still have the pax seats in at the drop of a hat. We had two chiefs and one Nav at National, they were kept pretty busy, but that was a long time ago.
As for the DOC's, no idea, but I guess you can pick them up cheap enough which helps.
Last time I used one was for an AOG spares flight to LYS. The aircraft had to ferry to LYS Bron at their expence to uplift AVGAS to make the return to the UK, that does not help the DOC's.
Still, AOG flights always will be needed, and big manufactures still have 'just in time' component cock-ups so good luck to CWC, there is money to be made if you can launch quick enough.
Think it was 1KG of documents for Emery Worldwide SEN-BRU to catch the transatlantic that was the least I ever sold a PA31 for. Stopped them loosing a major customer, so they footed the bill both ways.
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I must ask that you clarify what you are implying exactly please, Firstly I must clarify points you made.
Am I lebanese Yes have I meet the Guy behind this Op yes 2 or so years ago for Lunch when he first started talking about setting it up.
You mention why did I need to make a few phones well basically I dont like to talk out of my Back side as they say so I needed to make sure we are talking about the same Person and obviously we are.
You mentioned about me asking for an AOC application form not sure what exactly your trying to say with that one exactly because if your implying what I think you are then I would be a right Plunker if i cant even know where to get an AOC application and I want to do something with it.
Do I know more about this Operation than am telling YES and I am doing going to deny the fact that I do because it will be
sh+t if i said i didnt.
How i hear you asking like I said I knew the outline from a few years back but obviously a lot has changed and my friend is helping with this company so I get access to certain info.
as for me posting about a new start up in SEN well basically I just needed to know if it was again the same people and also dont forget I owe these people nothing so I am just like you and BW have an interest only in potential employment and nothing else and it would be a up situation if I or anyone else jumps in bed with this company only for it to be bust so I would welcome your critism but please keep it to fact and not indirect implications as I do not want to be associated with something am not directly or indirectly involved with at this moment in time, I appreciate how you may have come to the conclusions but I hope I have justified even thought i shouldnt have to justify my self to no one. 
WA
I must ask that you clarify what you are implying exactly please, Firstly I must clarify points you made.
Am I lebanese Yes have I meet the Guy behind this Op yes 2 or so years ago for Lunch when he first started talking about setting it up.
You mention why did I need to make a few phones well basically I dont like to talk out of my Back side as they say so I needed to make sure we are talking about the same Person and obviously we are.
You mentioned about me asking for an AOC application form not sure what exactly your trying to say with that one exactly because if your implying what I think you are then I would be a right Plunker if i cant even know where to get an AOC application and I want to do something with it.
Do I know more about this Operation than am telling YES and I am doing going to deny the fact that I do because it will be
sh+t if i said i didnt. How i hear you asking like I said I knew the outline from a few years back but obviously a lot has changed and my friend is helping with this company so I get access to certain info.
as for me posting about a new start up in SEN well basically I just needed to know if it was again the same people and also dont forget I owe these people nothing so I am just like you and BW have an interest only in potential employment and nothing else and it would be a
up situation if I or anyone else jumps in bed with this company only for it to be bust so I would welcome your critism but please keep it to fact and not indirect implications as I do not want to be associated with something am not directly or indirectly involved with at this moment in time, I appreciate how you may have come to the conclusions but I hope I have justified even thought i shouldnt have to justify my self to no one. WA
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All I said was that I thought you knew more than you were telling. You've just confirmed that you do ... end of story.
No offence intended you just seemed to be asking questions about this operation in previous threads. Couldn't understand why it took 'a million and one phone calls'.
As someone who has connections with Southend I look froward to this operation starting.
No offence intended you just seemed to be asking questions about this operation in previous threads. Couldn't understand why it took 'a million and one phone calls'.
As someone who has connections with Southend I look froward to this operation starting.
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From what I know a meeting took place between the Owner/CEO of CWC Airline and Rick Jackson (Finance Manager) and Katy Woolcott (Estates Manager) of Southend Airport that the only update i can furnish you with until I get more info from my friend who is involved with this Start up.
From what I know a meeting took place between the Owner/CEO of CWC Airline and Rick Jackson (Finance Manager) and Katy Woolcott (Estates Manager) of Southend Airport that the only update i can furnish you with until I get more info from my friend who is involved with this Start up.
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My spies indicate that there is a contract up for grabs out of SEN that could go on anything from a Pa 31 up to a Shorts, I think these guys are in the running along with the usual Metro operators.
As i've said in the past, i'm not thst sure how much ad-hoc there is out of SEN for this type of aircraft, the old AOG 'go now' isn't as common as it used to be and many contracts have gone by the wayside as the integrators swallowed up a lot of dedicated charter contracts with their cheaper options.
I also hear that a certain SD3-60 operator is about to base an aircraft there on an ad-hoc basis thats tied in with some contract flying so competition along with the Be200 and metro operators will be fierce.
Cant help thinking its just the wrong type of aircraft.
As i've said in the past, i'm not thst sure how much ad-hoc there is out of SEN for this type of aircraft, the old AOG 'go now' isn't as common as it used to be and many contracts have gone by the wayside as the integrators swallowed up a lot of dedicated charter contracts with their cheaper options.
I also hear that a certain SD3-60 operator is about to base an aircraft there on an ad-hoc basis thats tied in with some contract flying so competition along with the Be200 and metro operators will be fierce.
Cant help thinking its just the wrong type of aircraft.
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Very interesting about this contract you mentioned as far as I know CWC Is going to be a scheduled cargo Airline, but they will offer AD HOC on need only basis.
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In the defence of BW this company is to be based at SEN but it needs not to base its Aircraft in SEN.
WA
Very interesting about this contract you mentioned as far as I know CWC Is going to be a scheduled cargo Airline, but they will offer AD HOC on need only basis.
Express
In the defence of BW this company is to be based at SEN but it needs not to base its Aircraft in SEN.
WA
Why would a small operator have its offices at SEN but not have its aircraft based there? If the operation is to located elsewhere surely it would be sensible to have their offices there also and forget SEN altogether.
Sounds like a rather inefficient (and expensive) way to set up the business.
Sounds like a rather inefficient (and expensive) way to set up the business.
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Expressflight I never said anything about aircraft of CWC being based at SEN did I 
Maybe they will be based elsewhere and "W" through SEN, that makes sense does it not?
So what about Scot Airways. How many of their aircraft are based at CBG
Maybe they will be based elsewhere and "W" through SEN, that makes sense does it not? So what about Scot Airways. How many of their aircraft are based at CBG