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The big merged L1011 thread

Old 5th Dec 2007, 02:47
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Photos of the Tristars

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...&TopOfYest=yes
Lets see if these photos work.
Here are the aircraft in question.

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Old 7th Dec 2007, 19:22
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Skyliner now has a shot of N194AT (forward fues only visible) at Jeddah with the following caption:

"Bourtuqalieh Air operates this former American Trans Air TriStar, having been ferried in September to Amman, during the Hajj on behalf of Nigerian Med-View Airline. "
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Old 7th Dec 2007, 20:04
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Here it is
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/view...av2&picid=4273
Hope it helps.
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Old 10th Dec 2007, 15:29
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Quote:
"Bourtuqalieh Air operates this former American Trans Air TriStar, having been ferried in September to Amman, during the Hajj on behalf of Nigerian Med-View Airline. "

Wonder when they did the "D Check", Engine AD, Landing Gear overhaul, RAT S/B and all the other stuff it needed?

Cant imagine any FAA pilots touching it!
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Old 10th Dec 2007, 15:44
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There are few retired major airline types that are doing it.
Claim that if they don't know about the overdue D check and engine A/D then its not their problem.
Bet they did not operate like this in the USA!

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Old 10th Dec 2007, 16:46
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Word on the grapevine is that another TriStar has a slight problem in Douala, specifically 9G-BSM with high vibs on number two and another unspecified problem with number one.
Strangely enough (or maybe not) many of these operators do not embody any type of long term storage program when these airplanes are between 'assignments' and of course on the first couple of flights (or in this case, one) severe problems develop.
High vibes on number two is usually cured with a fan clapper lube and/or trim balance of the fan, but some don't know how to do this either.
What a shame.
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Old 11th Dec 2007, 03:17
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This is all too common with these RR engines.
Vibrations over 2.5 both channels and everyone just wants to pull the throttle back when the procedure is to shut it down
Even a caution written in the emergency procedures saying not to reduce the throttle in attempt to reduce vibration when over 2.5.
194 is a perfect example of this.
Even when many sparks were reported coming from the front of number 3 along with high vibs over 2.5 Mughrabi and ground engineers claimed just an indication, no need for the crew to shut it down.
The inner cowl at the attrition lining looked like a ring of fire at night.
The lube had been tried twice already, it needed balancing, but no time for this according to him.
What a winner this one is!
He wont be in business long with thinking like this.
Just goes to show that not only does he cheat the crews on salary, he also cheats the system on operations, D checks engine AD's etc.
The FAA only gave him a ferry permit to operate MIA AMM, no pax.
He tries to use this and say the FAA certified the aircraft.
For some 3rd world countries this might be believable because of the N registration.
Now he thinks no one is watching him and can do as he pleases.
He pulled the same tricks on the 747.
With the Tristar simulator in the UK out of service now due to a fire several weeks ago, just wonder how many of his crews are current, maybe just on paper, like his aircraft.
Hope the Saudi PCA is on his backside soon.

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Old 11th Dec 2007, 20:53
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Remember once being asked whilst at the sim if I would mind sitting in as the eng for a foreign company to get all their crews up to date. 5 crews one two hour sim slot......I declined the offer did not want anything to do with it.
Who are the crews that are flying these aircraft, as Earl says where are they getting their checks done. Regard to the other checks, they will be given a paper check and sent on their way. Sad end to a very well loved aircraft.
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Old 11th Dec 2007, 21:15
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Earl, have you thought about letting the FAA know about this, sounds to me that this guy is getting out of hand.
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Old 12th Dec 2007, 11:32
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Probably too to late now he has moved it onto the Nigerian register

What amazes me is the Saudi PCA going round the Jeddah ramp ramp nit picking minor non airworthy defects on some aircraft and letting this cowboy in with major maintenance descepancies !!
Money talks I guess
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Old 13th Dec 2007, 14:09
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Hopefully I'm not out of order, but you would think with all the "journo's" that troll this website one of them would pick this story up as a very hot story!

I know life is cheap in Africa but this is really amazing in this day & age!
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Old 13th Dec 2007, 17:09
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As an African, who has had my run in with the burocracy in Nigeria before, it is difficult to believe that Nigerian CAA which is under international scrutiny after all the spate of crashes in Nigeria not long ago, will allow this timex machine (overdue for D-Check?) to be registered in Nigeria.

This situation is worth following up. If anyone knows, as Got The T Shirt (GTTS) professes, then surely someone or GTTS can provide the registration number.

I am somehow not convinced the Nigerians will register, or has registered this aircraft. Heard early in the week that the guy was desperately shopping around for an AOC and Registration of convenience.

Where's Zazoo and the other Nigerian guy's? Surely they can shed some light. Otherwise please post details of reg change.

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Old 13th Dec 2007, 18:23
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Yours truly was personally told by a senior Nigerian CAA official last year that no L1011 would ever be allowed on the Nigerian civil register.

Of course, money talks, BS walks...
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Old 13th Dec 2007, 20:05
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This is the first I heard of the registration change.
But I do know when we flew this aircraft from MIA that it was overdue a D check and the engine A/D's were not accomplished and a FAA ferry permit was issued.
Mughrabi claimed that he would get all this accomplished in Amman with Joramco.
There was no supporting paperwork when we operated a few days later to Kano and back, this guy is the biggest B/S artist I have ever met.
He again claimed that the D check was accomplished.
When asked about the paperwork he claimed it was not the operating crews concern and all was accomplished.
He stated the FAA and ATA made a mistake in their calculations of the time the D check was due.
Sorry but everyone knows this is 15 months and the engine A/D;s is a very expensive task on these 522;s, thats why they are so cheap now.
I also confirmed this with the ATA maint. and these items had not been accomplished, D checks, engine A/D etc when they parked the aircraft in MIA.
This was after the non payment issue in the hotel.
If he would have paid correctly people would not be questioning this operation.
Still never the less this aircraft should not be in operation unless all is complied with.
Will be in Jeddah in a few days and will provide the registration number if I see the aircraft, will also be pursing past salary issues and talking with the saudi PCA.
But we all know that money talks in Nigeria, not hard to think it is registered there now.
If this can be proved then the Bank of Utah needs to be notified next as they are the registered owners of the aircraft along with the insurance agency.
This guy need s to be shut down permanently.

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Old 13th Dec 2007, 20:48
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Earl, dont have to be a prophet to predict that after a few good paying Hajj flights this season will dump the plane somewhere, probably crew also, and the party who will have to carry the cost/loss is going to be the Bank of Utah.

The alleged situation and condition of this aircraft raises serious concerns, irregularities, and probably in conflict with criminal let alone aviation law:

1. Sure Bank of Utah would not have financed if they were aware that the machine was going to be operated outside manufacturers and international aviation laws and requirements. Improbable that the specific bank would have financed an aircraft if it is not going to be operated on the N register in compliance FAA requirements, let alone some dodgy registry of convenience.

2. Does it carry bona fide insurance policies and coverage. No insurance company in the world will insure an expired aircraft that is going to be paraded and operated as an airworthy machine, due to increased risk - in all probability if misled in the process any possible claim will be declined. Effectively it then has no legitimate insurance.

3. Every declaration and application for clearances and overflight permissions are done fraudulently as paperwork is "cooked" and not in order.

Earl, if you should encounter her, advise reg and even post photo. Can imagine that some folks in Nigeria will be very interested.
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Old 14th Dec 2007, 08:21
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1. Sure Bank of Utah would not have financed if they were aware that the machine was going to be operated outside manufacturers and international aviation laws and requirements. Improbable that the specific bank would have financed an aircraft if it is not going to be operated on the N register in compliance FAA requirements, let alone some dodgy registry of convenience.
Ah, sorry, AAL, you are misinformed.

The Utah bank concerned did not finance the airplane.
It was purchased with cash.
What they provided is an Equipment Trust.
With this arrangement, a foreign national (IE: not a US citizen) can own a US registered civil aircraft, which would otherwise not be possible.
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Old 14th Dec 2007, 14:18
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AAL "Can imagine that some folks in Nigeria will be very interested"

I would doubt it! Somebody probably got paid there!

The only way this thing will get tripped up is at the Saudi end with a ramp check and the Saudi's having some info as to what to look for!

411A is right about the bank thing!
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Old 14th Dec 2007, 19:10
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Doubt that there are remotely interested. As long as someone is bringing in the Pilgrims that is all they are worried about. Remember in 2001 we blew an engine as we turned onto the runway, spat bits out the back which broke a couple of runway lights. We shut the engine down and taxied back in. There was hell to play, interviews etc we were kept on the aircraft with all the pax till the initial paperwork was done. They then let us get off and we took the pax and another aircraft to the destination.....all in a crew duty day....not.....The aircraft was then 2 engine ferried under the noses of the Saudis without their permission infact they had said we were not to do it.It was not me that was for sure. We still had to operate into Saudi but there were no problems with the authorities. If they were that concerned they would have done something!!!!!! They will not do any thing that will screw up the Pilgrims end of story,

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Old 16th Dec 2007, 18:10
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Did not see Boutuqalieh here in JED tonight.
We operated the last inbound haj flight from Manila, now its outbound starting in a few days.
Only Tristar I seen at the Haj terminal was one of the ex Globejet ones.
Hopefully he is shut down already.
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Old 17th Dec 2007, 23:12
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Hi

The user by the name of flytristar in Youtube has posted a video taken from the inside of the Luzair Tristar, in that video you can see the ex-ATA machine parked in Jeddah.

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