Midex Airlines (Merged)
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From: Florida
truth?
Hi,
Read all! I listened to rumours with regards to CX out of HK, few years later my buddy 's are captains on 400 or 777 on nearly $200,000, so not all rejects from interviews or training is a balenced view--however, I agree one must read between the lines and balence the "hatred" and the "love", hence I was trying to build a picture from 2009 NOT when it started - my thanks,
Fly safe
Read all! I listened to rumours with regards to CX out of HK, few years later my buddy 's are captains on 400 or 777 on nearly $200,000, so not all rejects from interviews or training is a balenced view--however, I agree one must read between the lines and balence the "hatred" and the "love", hence I was trying to build a picture from 2009 NOT when it started - my thanks,
Fly safe
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jumboengineer747
Hi,Read all! I listened to rumours with regards to CX out of HK, few years later my buddy 's are captains on 400 or 777 on nearly $200,000, so not all rejects from interviews or training is a balenced view--however, I agree one must read between the lines and balence the "hatred" and the "love", hence I was trying to build a picture from 2009 NOT when it started - my thanks,
Fly safe
Hi,Read all! I listened to rumours with regards to CX out of HK, few years later my buddy 's are captains on 400 or 777 on nearly $200,000, so not all rejects from interviews or training is a balenced view--however, I agree one must read between the lines and balence the "hatred" and the "love", hence I was trying to build a picture from 2009 NOT when it started - my thanks,
Fly safe
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From: USA
This just in forwarded from the crews operating in Al Ain.
The new and approved Sop, collect your pay and leave ASAP.
Will there be more information soon from the pilots there?
Several more have given the respect that was deserved an departed after breaches of contractual agreements.
The new and approved Sop, collect your pay and leave ASAP.
Will there be more information soon from the pilots there?
Several more have given the respect that was deserved an departed after breaches of contractual agreements.
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From: USA
fr8dog,,,,,
talk to to yourur buddy again, word I am getting from there things have changed dramatically in the last 3 days.
Threats for training cost and prison are just some of the ones I have heard from there, just exactly what kind of company is this?
Crews let this get out of hand from the beginning, contract in the UAE are governed during entire duration of the period and cannot be changed until the end of the stated agreement between the 2 parties.
These Pilots signed the new agreement under threats, now they are trying to cut the pay even further.
Crews are leaving in the middle of the night after salary paid as what just happened again and will continue to be the new Sop.
Why has not the GCAA along with the UAE labor commission not been involved with this?
talk to to yourur buddy again, word I am getting from there things have changed dramatically in the last 3 days.
Threats for training cost and prison are just some of the ones I have heard from there, just exactly what kind of company is this?
Crews let this get out of hand from the beginning, contract in the UAE are governed during entire duration of the period and cannot be changed until the end of the stated agreement between the 2 parties.
These Pilots signed the new agreement under threats, now they are trying to cut the pay even further.
Crews are leaving in the middle of the night after salary paid as what just happened again and will continue to be the new Sop.
Why has not the GCAA along with the UAE labor commission not been involved with this?
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From: Florida
Thanks for that, writing on a PDA in a car with out one’s glasses is not easy, however I was asking around for information, if you are so great (and time on your hands) why are you reading about Midex, you should be CP of American!, don’t waste our time unless you can answer a question on a Forum about work related issues.
To the rest, fly safe
To the rest, fly safe
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From: Florida
Sorry, My last aimed at Fr8dog, I have been asking around as an elderly co-pilot and my modern jet time is the “classic”, I was trying to build a picture, however our friend from the UK (2Bad2Sad) has pointed out that things are not all sweetness and light over there – thank you
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From: USA
jumboengineer747 Thanks for that, writing on a PDA in a car with out one’s glasses is not easy, however I was asking around for information, if you are so great (and time on your hands) why are you reading about Midex, you should be CP of American!, don’t waste our time unless you can answer a question on a Forum about work related issues.
To the rest, fly safe
To the rest, fly safe
Was just trying to help, in the mean time, get a f***ing haircut.
2 Bad, I will give him a call tomorrow and find out what I can.
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From: Earth
The company can threaten as much as their covered little heads would like. Recent consultation with an Emirati attorney specializing in labour law confirms that:
1. All contracts in the UAE must be written in Arabic and signed by both parties to be a legal and valid contract. Midex has never offered an contract in Arabic for any pilot to sign. Thus, no contract exists there and the company has no legal recourse to enforce anything.
2. The cost to the company for a residence visa and associated other forms is approximately 600 dirhams. If they attempt to collect any funds greater than this amount upon an employee leaving, they are incorrect and will be challenged in court.
3. "Training costs" are recoverable by the company ONLY in the event a separate, signed training contract was offered. To my knowledge, no pilot has such a separate contract and thus is not liable for training costs.
At least three pilots have left in the middle of the night this week. Wouldn't be surprised if several more are to come, especially considering the constant degradation of terms and conditions here and lack of concern of those higher up. Apparently the planes will continue to fly themselves once the crews are gone.
1. All contracts in the UAE must be written in Arabic and signed by both parties to be a legal and valid contract. Midex has never offered an contract in Arabic for any pilot to sign. Thus, no contract exists there and the company has no legal recourse to enforce anything.
2. The cost to the company for a residence visa and associated other forms is approximately 600 dirhams. If they attempt to collect any funds greater than this amount upon an employee leaving, they are incorrect and will be challenged in court.
3. "Training costs" are recoverable by the company ONLY in the event a separate, signed training contract was offered. To my knowledge, no pilot has such a separate contract and thus is not liable for training costs.
At least three pilots have left in the middle of the night this week. Wouldn't be surprised if several more are to come, especially considering the constant degradation of terms and conditions here and lack of concern of those higher up. Apparently the planes will continue to fly themselves once the crews are gone.
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From: Earth
As of November 1st:
Iraq no longer classified as a "war zone" (according to the company), so no extra pay for anyone for flying into Iraq.
"War zone" pay into Afghanistan now reduced for all crews. New rates $200 per Z-day (not per trip) for Captains, $175 for F/O's and F/E's, $100 for loadmasters.
Iraq no longer classified as a "war zone" (according to the company), so no extra pay for anyone for flying into Iraq.
"War zone" pay into Afghanistan now reduced for all crews. New rates $200 per Z-day (not per trip) for Captains, $175 for F/O's and F/E's, $100 for loadmasters.
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From: USA
Training Costs surely must be becoming astronomical concerning the high turn over of crews following recent contract implications.
Like a revolving door with this one.
Perhaps a change back to the original agreement could indeed save the company money and crews?
Surely upper managment can not be this stupid.
Like a revolving door with this one.
Perhaps a change back to the original agreement could indeed save the company money and crews?
Surely upper managment can not be this stupid.
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From: Erehwon
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From: USA
Today's Story
2Bad, Just got off the phone with my friend that is an engineer there on the 74. He is home at the moment and is scheduled to go back 10/17. According to him business is good, they are waiting for the 74 to come out of an "A" check and have two more coming. The pay thing is not great, but he says that if you signed a contract for the 10 weeks on and 3 weeks off the are honoring it. People have left, but he says it is mostly because of the 10 weeks in the UAE. The older guys with kids that are gone or in college are used to it as well as their wives. With the way cargo operations are right now, I would say that if you can take living in that part of the world and your family can handle the separation, it is better than no job at all. I can tell you that at Atlas things are starting to pick-up, we just brought back 13 F/O's from furlough out of the 30+ we had out. Hope this helps any of you contemplating going over there.
FR8
FR8
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2bad so sad
fr8dog,
Not the same tale from the Al Ain crews.
UAE labor comission and lawyers now involved late pay an contract violations.
Not the same tale from the Al Ain crews.
UAE labor comission and lawyers now involved late pay an contract violations.
You asked, I called him, I reported, you reject it.
WTFO
I can only go by what he tells me, he works there, not me.
FR8
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From: USA
Thank you for the update fr8dog.
Seems we are refering to different ones there.
Not doubting your input.
Things are not so well in the land of sand as some imply from the forwaded emails.
Pay problems documented in the UAE labor commission.
For all to see.
Seems we are refering to different ones there.
Not doubting your input.
Things are not so well in the land of sand as some imply from the forwaded emails.
Pay problems documented in the UAE labor commission.
For all to see.
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From: spain
"Desert Airline"
I saw the advert for crews (for “Desert airlines”) and questions asked by several members regarding:-
Pay, Payment, Number of A/C and any extra payments etc.
Some have been kindly answered and some of us have had a dig at the company or each other--- we are all on the same side! – Its management we need to watch for on here and to keep each other informed to the best of our knowledge.
May I suggest for those in the “know” pass on the good & the bad.
To-date I have learnt:-
Possible labour dispute with UAE, 10 weeks on 3 off, reduction in war zone pay for F/O’s & F/E’s.
They had the advert, so my questions are:-
When are they hiring, Do they pay on time now? Are they charter (ACMI)?
How many B747 do they have?---Thanks to date for all comments, interesting reading --cheers
Pay, Payment, Number of A/C and any extra payments etc.
Some have been kindly answered and some of us have had a dig at the company or each other--- we are all on the same side! – Its management we need to watch for on here and to keep each other informed to the best of our knowledge.
May I suggest for those in the “know” pass on the good & the bad.
To-date I have learnt:-
Possible labour dispute with UAE, 10 weeks on 3 off, reduction in war zone pay for F/O’s & F/E’s.
They had the advert, so my questions are:-
When are they hiring, Do they pay on time now? Are they charter (ACMI)?
How many B747 do they have?---Thanks to date for all comments, interesting reading --cheers