Polar/atlas Merger Unfair
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Just heard that the Arbitrator has ordered ALL furloughed Polar pilots reinstated and made whole as were the wrongfully terminated F/E's
this will not be one of Mr. JC's best days. He will have cost AAWH MILLIONS
this will not be one of Mr. JC's best days. He will have cost AAWH MILLIONS
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You are absolutely correct (I just got the word) and J.C. must have a major case of heartburn. The only thing left is the matter of the "alliance flying" and given the last two rulings, can there be any doubt of that outcome? It is time for the two councils to bury the hatchet, or at least place it where it belongs. Time couldn't be any more ripe than now.
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"Burying the hatchet where it belongs..." is the true test of Mr. Flynn and Mr. Dietrich. If these guys have any integrity, and DHL has benefitted from full disclosure, the ticket will be paid in full and the arbitrators' remedy will be implemented fully. This could result in a truly new culture with some trust between Management and Labor.
If the games continue with the current Cato attack on Polar Scope AND DHL doesn't mind sharing 49% of this liability as well as 49% of the bad labor relations these actions create it will be truly a shame.
I'm a pessimist. My guess is that they will relabel the alliance flying and claim there simply is no Polar flying being done "elsewhere"--Hope I'm wrong, but if Cato doesn't get the hook it seems likely. And foolish.
Congratulations Bobb and Robin...All of us Polaroids owe you two a debt of gratitude.
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If the games continue with the current Cato attack on Polar Scope AND DHL doesn't mind sharing 49% of this liability as well as 49% of the bad labor relations these actions create it will be truly a shame.
I'm a pessimist. My guess is that they will relabel the alliance flying and claim there simply is no Polar flying being done "elsewhere"--Hope I'm wrong, but if Cato doesn't get the hook it seems likely. And foolish.
Congratulations Bobb and Robin...All of us Polaroids owe you two a debt of gratitude.
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Lighten upon merc and whale guys. They have to feel low right now. And we will have to eventually work toward a common good.
I do not think that Atlas will lose the Polar contract. Polar even purged the OPs Specs on the classic; that according to Chris. What will happen next is anyone's guess, but I suspect they will try a buyout I sincerely hope so anyway) , however we are now in the cat bird seat. Given the paltry sums we FE's got has given us some insight to their rational for screwing the crew members. And while the company will stomp and scream, I am sure that our MEC along with Robin, will do the right thing. They have done a great job so far. As I mentioned before, the 900 lb. gorilla is still out there and that is the "alliance flying" If we win that one, and it looks increasingly likely we will, then hold on to your horses, it will quite a ride!
I do not think that Atlas will lose the Polar contract. Polar even purged the OPs Specs on the classic; that according to Chris. What will happen next is anyone's guess, but I suspect they will try a buyout I sincerely hope so anyway) , however we are now in the cat bird seat. Given the paltry sums we FE's got has given us some insight to their rational for screwing the crew members. And while the company will stomp and scream, I am sure that our MEC along with Robin, will do the right thing. They have done a great job so far. As I mentioned before, the 900 lb. gorilla is still out there and that is the "alliance flying" If we win that one, and it looks increasingly likely we will, then hold on to your horses, it will quite a ride!
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To Merc and Whale---
A month or so ago, you alluded to a "Plan B" that AAWH would implement if Polar crews won the on going arbitrations.
Looks like the arbitrations were won by the Polar guys.
So, what is the "Plan B"?
Captain Edwin
A month or so ago, you alluded to a "Plan B" that AAWH would implement if Polar crews won the on going arbitrations.
Looks like the arbitrations were won by the Polar guys.
So, what is the "Plan B"?
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Wow, lemme get this straight..
So all of the terminated F/E's and F/O's at Polar have been 'made whole', with full backpay and benefits, 401 contributions, sick and vacation pay, all the while not contributing a single day of duty to Polar/AAWH? Coooooo-oool!
I heard through the grapevine that JC's annual entitlement was in the 7-figure range, prolly around the $1 million mark. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) Sure makes one wonder how much of that was spent on the seedy outskirts of Houston, engaging in the illicit drug trade and SMOKING CRACK! (Plumber's Local 451, please forgive me.) Great job! I guess AAWH has made sooooo much that they can afford to pay people to stay home? Excellent management technique, I applaud your efforts.
And just think how well it will look on his resume for his next job! "Yes sir, I cost AAWH several millions in unworked labor costs, not to mention untold millions by scaring off companies that didn't want to do business with a company with labor/management strife. Why, the opportunities alone should make your company envious!"
Maybe it really is a kharmic universe after all?
Hope all the folks enjoy their backpay and have a Happy New Year!
So all of the terminated F/E's and F/O's at Polar have been 'made whole', with full backpay and benefits, 401 contributions, sick and vacation pay, all the while not contributing a single day of duty to Polar/AAWH? Coooooo-oool!
I heard through the grapevine that JC's annual entitlement was in the 7-figure range, prolly around the $1 million mark. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) Sure makes one wonder how much of that was spent on the seedy outskirts of Houston, engaging in the illicit drug trade and SMOKING CRACK! (Plumber's Local 451, please forgive me.) Great job! I guess AAWH has made sooooo much that they can afford to pay people to stay home? Excellent management technique, I applaud your efforts.
And just think how well it will look on his resume for his next job! "Yes sir, I cost AAWH several millions in unworked labor costs, not to mention untold millions by scaring off companies that didn't want to do business with a company with labor/management strife. Why, the opportunities alone should make your company envious!"Maybe it really is a kharmic universe after all?
Hope all the folks enjoy their backpay and have a Happy New Year!
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Yep, it sure is getting interesting and more so by the day. Personally I enjoy two checks. However, all is not well in the aviation world. I just got off the phone with a friend who is a LM with Focus, and he was put on LOA for two months.
As to J.C. every time we think he finally screwed up one to many times, he gets a pay raise. Something is going on and it ain't this phantom plan B as merc and whale have mentioned. Eventually something is going to happen and it better be soon. If this alliance flying goes by the wayside, AAWH will be in a real pickle of their own making. They should have just bought Polar and left us alone. Contrary to popular believe, we were making money.
As to J.C. every time we think he finally screwed up one to many times, he gets a pay raise. Something is going on and it ain't this phantom plan B as merc and whale have mentioned. Eventually something is going to happen and it better be soon. If this alliance flying goes by the wayside, AAWH will be in a real pickle of their own making. They should have just bought Polar and left us alone. Contrary to popular believe, we were making money.
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Originally Posted by Heilhaavir
LOL!! Merc should be able to shed some light on what will happen next 
Happy New Year Kevin!
Congrats to all you PO guys out there
Happy New Year Kevin!Congrats to all you PO guys out there
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To Merc and Whale---
A month or so ago, you alluded to a "Plan B" that AAWH would implement if Polar crews won the on going arbitrations.
Looks like the arbitrations were won by the Polar guys.
So, what is the "Plan B"?
Captain Edwin
A month or so ago, you alluded to a "Plan B" that AAWH would implement if Polar crews won the on going arbitrations.
Looks like the arbitrations were won by the Polar guys.
So, what is the "Plan B"?
Captain Edwin
Considering the number of times Atlas management logs on here daily, it serves no purpose for the Atlas and Polar crews bashing each other back and fourth. Of course, if the crew bashing resumes, I can see it starting all over again.
So in that light, I will not comment on what the plan "B" is and will let time determine what that is. I don't want to ignite more of what we had before and hope the Polar side will do the same.
Congrats on the final award on that arbitration and I will leave it at that.
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Good Man!
Acutally, a few of us (Polar and Atlas crews) have been very quiet due to a behind the scenes negotiated cease fire or truce if you want to call it that between the Polar and Atlas sides that post here. So far, we are about two months into it. Lets hope it continues and show some solidarity between our groups.
Considering the number of times Atlas management logs on here daily, it serves no purpose for the Atlas and Polar crews bashing each other back and fourth. Of course, if the crew bashing resumes, I can see it starting all over again.
So in that light, I will not comment on what the plan "B" is and will let time determine what that is. I don't want to ignite more of what we had before and hope the Polar side will do the same.
Congrats on the final award on that arbitration and I will leave it at that.
Considering the number of times Atlas management logs on here daily, it serves no purpose for the Atlas and Polar crews bashing each other back and fourth. Of course, if the crew bashing resumes, I can see it starting all over again.
So in that light, I will not comment on what the plan "B" is and will let time determine what that is. I don't want to ignite more of what we had before and hope the Polar side will do the same.
Congrats on the final award on that arbitration and I will leave it at that.
Let those who like to stir the pot continue, thanks for not getting into a long and drawn out debate about which side is right or wrong.
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The decision on the alliance flying is way over due. As with the other two arbitrations, I believe that when a decision goes against a company, the arbitrator takes a much longer time to render a solution than if it went against the union for obvious reasons. I could be wrong but given the delay on the last two grievances, it seems to play out that way. Being a Polaroid with a financial interest in the outcome, it may be only wishful thinking but I am keeping my fingers crossed.
I also hope this armistice as you call it last longer and becomes the standard. Both groups are really going to need it and soon, for when a decision does come down somebody is going to get hurt if we don't band together.
I also hope this armistice as you call it last longer and becomes the standard. Both groups are really going to need it and soon, for when a decision does come down somebody is going to get hurt if we don't band together.
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Again, not saying they are doing anything wrong, just that it doesn't appear they want to do a merger when they feel they have the advantage, but when its not looking good, they're all for it.
BTW, they may change their minds after the info released today at the MIA crew meeting. I'm hearing it second hand, so I'll wait for someone to post that was there.
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When the company lets them know their future plans for operations and they haven't as of yet), then the Polar side will negotiate the merger. That is the responsible thing to do.
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You jerks at Polar need to get a life!
No wonder I got so pissed at all of you. You made my life miserable.
With your lousy flying skills, it shouldn't surprise many of you why I busted so many of you idiots on type rating rides and line checks.
But I'm retired now, so I wish you the very best in you miserable life. You scumbags.
Sincerely yours,
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Bill Watley
No wonder I got so pissed at all of you. You made my life miserable.
With your lousy flying skills, it shouldn't surprise many of you why I busted so many of you idiots on type rating rides and line checks.
But I'm retired now, so I wish you the very best in you miserable life. You scumbags.
Sincerely yours,
Former VP Ops
Bill Watley