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I would like to think he would end up sitting on his barrow thinking "**** what have I done. If only I had teated at least one person like a human being he might give me a job". 
Trouble is after all these years of being AJ's henchman I doubt he would need another job. "Shut you're mouth, cop my wedge" Remeber that?
Trouble is after all these years of being AJ's henchman I doubt he would need another job. "Shut you're mouth, cop my wedge" Remeber that?
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Originally Posted by Germstone
I havve heard some engineering contractors have only received part payments for work carried out...not a good sign as thus far payments have been in full and on time
As for the permanent line engineering staff...... they are still non the wiser..... no formal managmet responce as yet!!!!!!!
They have been told to report to work as normal, but for what reason? No aircraft to work on. This would be the ideal time to get ahead with the maintenance program, even if the aircraft might not be flying for the same company.
Only time will tell.... Let's hope next week we will all be a little wiser!!!
But something tells me we it will still be mushroom time.
Keep your chin up boys.... and don't let them keep you hanging, get your CV's out now.....
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Give it a break
For all of you who feel the need to shout about whatever "issues" you have with either Mob or Emerald please spare a thought for those who are currently employed by the company. Everyone knows its an airline which isnt conventionaly run, but those who are inlolved in the day to day running ie ops, crewing and engineering put in all they can to try to keep it afloat. So please keep your opinions to yourselves and try to at least give some support to everyone at Emerald. Wishing you all the best of luck.
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Unfortunately I can't see a way back for Emerald from this. The contracts will be gone and unless there is a major change in the management (specifically FOD) then there is no way they'll get their AOC back any time soon.
I imagine the bank is now pulling the strings and I can't see how it won't end up in administration or chopped up to feed their share-holders.
Sounds bleak, but this is no time for false hope.
When was the last time anyone heard of the CAA pulling someones AOC indefinately? Pretty serious stuff and they must have a load of evidence to make this move.
The CAA cover their own ar*e first, so its not something that could be fixed by a bit of tinkering.
Anyone up for a rescue package?
I imagine the bank is now pulling the strings and I can't see how it won't end up in administration or chopped up to feed their share-holders.
Sounds bleak, but this is no time for false hope.
When was the last time anyone heard of the CAA pulling someones AOC indefinately? Pretty serious stuff and they must have a load of evidence to make this move.
The CAA cover their own ar*e first, so its not something that could be fixed by a bit of tinkering.
Anyone up for a rescue package?
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About 1992 or so, there was a small outfit called Janes. They operated Heralds and 748s. Collapsed due to financial trouble, but very soon re-emerged as a new company. Most staff re-employed in new venture doing the same job. Is this history about to repeat itself?
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Originally Posted by well hung ops gimp
QUOTE Those concerned are fully aware of Emeralds operating procedures so what is your point besides character assassination
Well if your aware of the operating procedures why are you suprised its come to this ? I,m not relishing this at all i still have good friends who still work there and still at this time in the story they are still none the wiser.Well at least they will not have to clean the toilets anymore (yes ops staff cleaning toilets since the cleaners quit months ago !! wonder why £) .As for character assassination well i,m sure MOB will put you up when your house is repossessed what do you think?. Biggest mistake emerald made was going into europe the premier league with a divsion 4 manager it was never going to work. Top men in TNT ect do not suffer idiots lightly well you know the rest
and guess who got the blame ? yes your OPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well if your aware of the operating procedures why are you suprised its come to this ? I,m not relishing this at all i still have good friends who still work there and still at this time in the story they are still none the wiser.Well at least they will not have to clean the toilets anymore (yes ops staff cleaning toilets since the cleaners quit months ago !! wonder why £) .As for character assassination well i,m sure MOB will put you up when your house is repossessed what do you think?. Biggest mistake emerald made was going into europe the premier league with a divsion 4 manager it was never going to work. Top men in TNT ect do not suffer idiots lightly well you know the rest
and guess who got the blame ? yes your OPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One might describe the premier league as a global passenger operation that offers first, business & economy classes utilising a fleet of modern wide bodied jets.
If one thinks Emerald were anywhere near the premier league then one needs to dream on!
Emerald were operating on the close continent as long ago as the early 1990's.
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Ops Gimp,
No I didn't miss the point regarding a 4th division manager but if you think that Emerald are, or ever have been, anywhere except in the 4th division, or indeed the Hawker Siddeley conference, then you're the one that's missing the point.
No I didn't miss the point regarding a 4th division manager but if you think that Emerald are, or ever have been, anywhere except in the 4th division, or indeed the Hawker Siddeley conference, then you're the one that's missing the point.
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I recall when they picked up a Saturday inbound to NCL and there was the regular Sunday departure from NCL. 'THE CREW WILL NOT OVERNIGHT IN NCL, WE WILL NOT PAY HOTAC' came the order.
Well 2 hire cars NCL/LPL/NCL @ something like GBP25.00 each + GBP35.00 in fuel was more of an expense than 2 hotel rooms at something like GBP30.00 each.
Talk about dealing with idiot's!
Well 2 hire cars NCL/LPL/NCL @ something like GBP25.00 each + GBP35.00 in fuel was more of an expense than 2 hotel rooms at something like GBP30.00 each.
Talk about dealing with idiot's!
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Mushroom In the Dark-STILL
I am amazed that even now that no-one has bothered from management at any level to inform the crews why the AOC has been pulled? Reference was made in a thread that Emerald had lost their AOC and the staff would be informed the following day. This read as though as it was posted by Emerald Management.
What is the likely time period going to be before we know if jobs are lost, the company may be reborn as suggested in an earlier thread, the AOC is resumed or honestly do we just need to start sending out the CV's.
Come on MOB we all know you look at this site. How about telling the Staff whats going on. All crews have company e-mail access. Some news is better than no news.
What is the likely time period going to be before we know if jobs are lost, the company may be reborn as suggested in an earlier thread, the AOC is resumed or honestly do we just need to start sending out the CV's.
Come on MOB we all know you look at this site. How about telling the Staff whats going on. All crews have company e-mail access. Some news is better than no news.
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dealing with idiots..?
too true
look at the adoption of the ATP Emerald could have got the ex british regional ATPS at a price but at least these were already on the british register with all current mods and ready to go.
.....but instead decided to go stateside with a desert rescue of the stored ex united aircraft because apparently it would be cheaper?
turned out going over budget and timescale....more money lost.
The turning point and one of the reasons emerald is where it is today is the poor adoption of the ATP aircraft into the fleet.
Whilst emerald was operating solely the shorts and budgie it was making money.
dealing with idiots..?
too true
look at the adoption of the ATP Emerald could have got the ex british regional ATPS at a price but at least these were already on the british register with all current mods and ready to go.
.....but instead decided to go stateside with a desert rescue of the stored ex united aircraft because apparently it would be cheaper?
turned out going over budget and timescale....more money lost.
The turning point and one of the reasons emerald is where it is today is the poor adoption of the ATP aircraft into the fleet.
Whilst emerald was operating solely the shorts and budgie it was making money.
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'but those who are inlolved in the day to day running ie ops, crewing and engineering put in all they can to try to keep it afloat.'
As an outsider looking in, perhaps that was the mistake all you good people made - bailing like hell while it was obvious to all that it was a rotten ship with, by all accounts, a dispicable and incompetent captain, sinking fast. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but perhaps you shoud have taken to the life boats a long time ago and let the ship sink and its captain with it.
Best of luck to all at Emerald.
As an outsider looking in, perhaps that was the mistake all you good people made - bailing like hell while it was obvious to all that it was a rotten ship with, by all accounts, a dispicable and incompetent captain, sinking fast. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but perhaps you shoud have taken to the life boats a long time ago and let the ship sink and its captain with it.
Best of luck to all at Emerald.
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And to add insult to injury, potentially we're ALL suffering because there are still FPLs in TACT that haven't been CANX and this is surely giving an inaccurate traffic demand picture. There were plans yesterday and there are still some today. Not only has this JEM fiasco hurt physically (ie employees etc), it's also stinging mentally (vis-a-vis TACT expecting flights).
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Silverhawk. Althought not related to this topic directly I think you will find there were 2 companies back then. 1 called Janes Aviation and 1 called Janes Aviation (748). Janes operated the Heralds the other (obviously) the 748's. When they stopped operating the Heralds , not for financial reasons as far as I can remember Janes Aviation was wound up but Janes Aviation (748) continued. It was some time later subsequently re-named Emerald but again not for financial reasons.
On a seperate note hope it all works out for those involved.
On a seperate note hope it all works out for those involved.
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Doesn't matter what division you want to place Emerald in most of the girls and guys worked bloody hard to try and get the job done in a very difficult situation.
Too many managers came and went (good people) but not a pair of balls between them to stand up to the mob'ster.
The company has one big problem and when he's gone it will be a big weight lifted off the heads of those who remain.
All other problems can be overcome. Good luck guys, hang on in there.
Sure he reads the posts so "DO THE DECENT THING" bye bye "MATE"
Too many managers came and went (good people) but not a pair of balls between them to stand up to the mob'ster.
The company has one big problem and when he's gone it will be a big weight lifted off the heads of those who remain.
All other problems can be overcome. Good luck guys, hang on in there.
Sure he reads the posts so "DO THE DECENT THING" bye bye "MATE"
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Janes aviation was basically wound up to get out of a particularly tight leasing agreement involving the herald aircraft.
i beleive they were leased from a scottish individual or company so therefore came under scottish law...i think even now its ongoing though not 100% sure.
i beleive they were leased from a scottish individual or company so therefore came under scottish law...i think even now its ongoing though not 100% sure.
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Hello
Even though I haven't been in the freight operations for a long time now I wish you all at Emerald the best of luck.
Who is this Mobster chap? Hope he don't join my airline!!!!
Once again best of luck.
diesel862.
Even though I haven't been in the freight operations for a long time now I wish you all at Emerald the best of luck.
Who is this Mobster chap? Hope he don't join my airline!!!!
Once again best of luck.
diesel862.
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Who is this Mobster chap?
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