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Originally Posted by Doctor Cruces
No matter that both crewing AND ops had said "we can't do it", the idiot at the top STILL sold the flight and left the rest of us to try and beg, borrow , steal and promise our sister to the devil to get something done.
The more you're seen to cope in the adversarial arena, the more the big boys question "well there's nothing wrong is there, you manage any other day of the week"
Another boardrooms and balance sheets scenario. Too late now though.
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Every airline that I have worked for has cut corners in one shape or form but never should cutting corners become a daily routine of life, I believe that is the core of the problem!
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Whilst all you operators out there are rubbing your hands with glee and thinking about all the lovely money you will be making think about all the innocent people such as wives and children who will be affected if Emerald do not manage to get their AOC back.
I was gutted last night at the thought that I may lose may home because of this.
I hope from the comment made by the CAA in the Scottish Press Article that it is not a forgone conclusion that this is permanent and I hope that MOB can move forward with the CAA to turn the company back on the right track.
I for one will be spending another sleepless night!!!
I was gutted last night at the thought that I may lose may home because of this.
I hope from the comment made by the CAA in the Scottish Press Article that it is not a forgone conclusion that this is permanent and I hope that MOB can move forward with the CAA to turn the company back on the right track.
I for one will be spending another sleepless night!!!
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Originally Posted by EI-CGO
It seems that the SD3-60's are also being moved to BLK where a meeting is to be held this afternoon with crew, I guess the CAA must have given them dispensation to do this, or can they posn non public transport outwith the AOC in this situation???
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sufferingspouse I promise you I'm racked off for you over this affair. I hope things sort swiftly; redundancy sucks - been there, done that et al.
But the reality is that this mess should never have been allowed to start, or once started, to continue.
As I said earlier, my recent experience with JEM was too much "we're all in it together and we just pull through by the skin of our teeth every day".
Not a good omen for business. Somebody's got to be held to account for this.
But the reality is that this mess should never have been allowed to start, or once started, to continue.
As I said earlier, my recent experience with JEM was too much "we're all in it together and we just pull through by the skin of our teeth every day".
Not a good omen for business. Somebody's got to be held to account for this.
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Whilst the airline is grounded, i think you chaps (and ladies) need to realise that there are very few 748 pilots left, and as such should these be sold on, theres only you bunch that can fly them.
As well as that, the only place capable of maintaining them to any decent standard is the Emerald engineering dept.
Whilst i dont know the exact background behind the withdrawal of AoC, i very much doubt it would be because of a trivial reason that could be rectified in a couple of days. I think to be realistic, this will either take the airline off the market for a month or so, or permanently.
You should also probably factor in the commercial damage this will have done - leaving it until the last moment to tell your largest client (RM) that you have no AoC is not the basis for an ongoing relationship. The cleverer thing to have done would be to sub in aircraft there and then, and advise your clients of the situation, whilst assuring them that they will have their contracted uplift etc etc.
Operationally speaking, the airline would still have been grounded, but would have continued to generate revenue, keeping the bank happy. Without the ability to demonstrate the company is a going concern and not a 'car on bricks' the various VC's, banks and financiers cheque books will be firmly shut.
Its easy for me to sit on the sidelines and point out all the deficiencies in MoB and AJ, but that really does not accomplish much, or give the Emerald boys much comfort.
Fingers crossed that they pull through it, but i would not hold my breath this time.
As well as that, the only place capable of maintaining them to any decent standard is the Emerald engineering dept.
Whilst i dont know the exact background behind the withdrawal of AoC, i very much doubt it would be because of a trivial reason that could be rectified in a couple of days. I think to be realistic, this will either take the airline off the market for a month or so, or permanently.
You should also probably factor in the commercial damage this will have done - leaving it until the last moment to tell your largest client (RM) that you have no AoC is not the basis for an ongoing relationship. The cleverer thing to have done would be to sub in aircraft there and then, and advise your clients of the situation, whilst assuring them that they will have their contracted uplift etc etc.
Operationally speaking, the airline would still have been grounded, but would have continued to generate revenue, keeping the bank happy. Without the ability to demonstrate the company is a going concern and not a 'car on bricks' the various VC's, banks and financiers cheque books will be firmly shut.
Its easy for me to sit on the sidelines and point out all the deficiencies in MoB and AJ, but that really does not accomplish much, or give the Emerald boys much comfort.
Fingers crossed that they pull through it, but i would not hold my breath this time.
Whilst the lucky ones of us who are no longer with the mobster can sit outside and say "we're not surprised", I agree with sufferingspouse.
Like satco, been redundant, worried about mortgage etc.
All sympathy to Emeralds staff now.
Doc C
Like satco, been redundant, worried about mortgage etc.
All sympathy to Emeralds staff now.
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Emerald please do the decent thing
I have worked for Emerald for a good many years now and as many of you know Emerald has been run on rumour and hearsay. And even now in what could potentially be the last few days of Emerald as a company the rumours and hearsay are still flying about.
From what I know for a fact is that the AOC has been suspended and that’s all I know.
What I find appalling is yet again the lack of information from the company, it is now 24 hrs since we heard that the AOC had been pulled and yet the powers that be have still not sent a NOTAC out explaining the situation in full this is absolutely diabolical.
All the loyal employees deserve an explanation as to why the AOC was pulled and what the future holds in store for them.
So come on Emerald please do the decent thing we have the company email system up and running so please use it.
From what I know for a fact is that the AOC has been suspended and that’s all I know.
What I find appalling is yet again the lack of information from the company, it is now 24 hrs since we heard that the AOC had been pulled and yet the powers that be have still not sent a NOTAC out explaining the situation in full this is absolutely diabolical.
All the loyal employees deserve an explanation as to why the AOC was pulled and what the future holds in store for them.
So come on Emerald please do the decent thing we have the company email system up and running so please use it.
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Please note that all crew members are being informed on an individual basis by Management. This is an internal matter and does not constitute a NOTAC being raised which, if you are an aircrew member, you should know - rather worrying if you dont know what a NOTAC actually means.
Please note that all crew members are being informed on an individual basis by Management. This is an internal matter and does not constitute a NOTAC being raised which, if you are an aircrew member, you should know - rather worrying if you dont know what a NOTAC actually means.
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Good evening Opsqueen ... and do you know when individual crew members will be told ? Told earlier in the evening to keep checking the e mails but nothing is appearing ... I think all employees would really like to know what is happening .... you are right in saying this is internal .. but it is now looking at falling into public arena as no one is being told anything and this rumour network appears to running rife
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Originally Posted by OPSQUEEN
NIGHT FREIGHT 1
Please note that all crew members are being informed on an individual basis by Management. This is an internal matter and does not constitute a NOTAC being raised which, if you are an aircrew member, you should know - rather worrying if you dont know what a NOTAC actually means.
Please note that all crew members are being informed on an individual basis by Management. This is an internal matter and does not constitute a NOTAC being raised which, if you are an aircrew member, you should know - rather worrying if you dont know what a NOTAC actually means.
I am more than aware what a NOTAC is maybe you could tell me when I am going to be informed ?
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Sensible reply to ALL VULTURES
Well my first post, a short military experience should tell me how it should be run, but guys come on this is the real world. Where should I start:
Not only the sky jockeys (perhaps the guys that the gov. paid to train and then bailed out to go commercial) work long hours, but what about crewing and ops the abused and used, who have kept emerald going for many years, these people are the backbone of any company. I know that without fast intelligent ex fighter pilots the freight business would be at a loss. So all the back stabbers who have left because they can't hack it or have been sacked give it a rest and get on with what you're supposed to be doing at work, keep the shed you're working for alive it will pay your mortgage.
Regards
Sensible Bod ex 33 Sqd.
Not only the sky jockeys (perhaps the guys that the gov. paid to train and then bailed out to go commercial) work long hours, but what about crewing and ops the abused and used, who have kept emerald going for many years, these people are the backbone of any company. I know that without fast intelligent ex fighter pilots the freight business would be at a loss. So all the back stabbers who have left because they can't hack it or have been sacked give it a rest and get on with what you're supposed to be doing at work, keep the shed you're working for alive it will pay your mortgage.
Regards
Sensible Bod ex 33 Sqd.
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My Heart bleeds at the sight of these budgies stranded at BLK.I speak as a veteran of 5 years employment. The finger of blame points directly at the man at the top, NOT the MOB, like everyone else he was only doing what he was told to do.
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Originally Posted by well hung ops gimp
" NOT the MOB, like everyone else he was only doing what he was told to do.
pleeeeeeeeeeeeese do you think he let AJ know what was going on you people really must be wearing blinkers or sucked in by MOBs bullsh-- .How many times did you hear " new manager he will sort it it out " 2 months later gibbering wreck like the last 16 managers i had in 9 years people people people listen only one man to blame MOB no one else i.ll spell it again
MOB
pleeeeeeeeeeeeese do you think he let AJ know what was going on you people really must be wearing blinkers or sucked in by MOBs bullsh-- .How many times did you hear " new manager he will sort it it out " 2 months later gibbering wreck like the last 16 managers i had in 9 years people people people listen only one man to blame MOB no one else i.ll spell it again
MOB
Those concerned are fully aware of Emeralds operating procedures so what is your point besides character assassination?
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
angry yes because one individual is responsible for so many and he could not give a sh-- and you still defend him .When this all turns out to be not just another "it will be ok " but the final staw just remember who said strung you along with all the crap and false promises.Angry because you really do not understand what has just happened neither does he i suspect but you will look back it will be the same as when youe asked where were ou when kennedy was killed " where were you when emerald sunk"
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Cut the bullsh*t chaps, this is definately not the time or place for any kind of gloating. There's far too many people worried about their futures at the mo'.
I'm no fan of MOB's (infact, if he was on fire the only way I'd p*ss on him would be if I'd been drinking petrol.) but whilst he's a major reason for the current problems, I very much doubt whether AJ can shirk all of the blame.
If anyone can seriously believe that the owner of a company doesn't know what's going on, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Unfortunately, with all the a/c being shoved about last minute like this, this doesn't seem like a short-term problem, unless they are going to use this "break" to get all maintenance up to date..... (Pigs have just been reported sprouting wings in my local area you see.)
Luckily it seems as if quite a few chaps have recently got jobs elsewhere. I hope all the others sort themselves out soon.
I'm no fan of MOB's (infact, if he was on fire the only way I'd p*ss on him would be if I'd been drinking petrol.) but whilst he's a major reason for the current problems, I very much doubt whether AJ can shirk all of the blame.
If anyone can seriously believe that the owner of a company doesn't know what's going on, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Unfortunately, with all the a/c being shoved about last minute like this, this doesn't seem like a short-term problem, unless they are going to use this "break" to get all maintenance up to date..... (Pigs have just been reported sprouting wings in my local area you see.)
Luckily it seems as if quite a few chaps have recently got jobs elsewhere. I hope all the others sort themselves out soon.
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I have only just learned about this and very shocked. As a former ops bod a few years ago the atmosphere has got worse rather than better from what i have heard. I do find it a disgrace that the company have not officially mentioned anything yet.
So what happens now ? Are office staff sent home?
I really wish everybody concerned the best and hope everything works out ok.
So what happens now ? Are office staff sent home?
I really wish everybody concerned the best and hope everything works out ok.