Emerald and the CAA
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From: Isle Du Cyber
The ATP freighters have they got a new home with Atlantic Airlines?
Now G-JEMB is registered to them will the other two be destined for a new life down Coventry way?
Good to see there is some movement with some of the aircraft and hopefully some crews will find a new home as well.
Good luck for 2007 for the rest.
Now G-JEMB is registered to them will the other two be destined for a new life down Coventry way?
Good to see there is some movement with some of the aircraft and hopefully some crews will find a new home as well.
Good luck for 2007 for the rest.
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From: Bishkek (nr Luton)
Aircraft Registration
According to the CAA G-INFO website all the ATP's (5) are registered to the Company that bought them (PTB (EMERALD) PTY LTD), not Atlantic Airlines.
Although it is quite feasible that G-JEMB, which is the bulk freighter, would be used by Atlantic Airlines (possibly to supplement or replace the Magic aircraft, which is also a bulk freighter - no Large Door), I can't see them interested in A or C which are both passenger aircraft, unless they can do a deal with Bae for the supply of new doors?
As for D & E, the two aircraft that were converted by Bae for Emerald with LFD's, well who knows? Is 'E still in BUH? And 'D was robbed for parts to keep the other 3 flying, would need considerable spend just to get it airworthy, then they would need to put the cargo interior in.........
However if they have these new contracts for the CI, who knows?
Although it is quite feasible that G-JEMB, which is the bulk freighter, would be used by Atlantic Airlines (possibly to supplement or replace the Magic aircraft, which is also a bulk freighter - no Large Door), I can't see them interested in A or C which are both passenger aircraft, unless they can do a deal with Bae for the supply of new doors?
As for D & E, the two aircraft that were converted by Bae for Emerald with LFD's, well who knows? Is 'E still in BUH? And 'D was robbed for parts to keep the other 3 flying, would need considerable spend just to get it airworthy, then they would need to put the cargo interior in.........
However if they have these new contracts for the CI, who knows?
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From: lancashire
Never has so much been owed to so many by so few !!!!!!!!!
Anyway. JEMD will be re-built using spares that are at BPL. A & C will attract interest as companies scramble for the few ATPs still out there. Westair hope to have 28-30 ATPs ( less than 20 at present) Magic hope for 5-10 and Atlantic about the same if not more. Of course dont forget India. ATPs req'd there. BPL hope to have Jar145 re-instated and from there who knows. It has been stated that they will not operate a/c, only lease. Is the market really that tied up ?
Bonne année du sud de France
Bonne année du sud de France
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From: Stockport MAN/EGCC
I understand that International Air Parts of Australia
http://www.intl-air-parts.com.au/front_page.html
have bought all the 748s and intend to restore them all to airworthy status except the series 1 G-BEJD which they intend to donate to Duxford as it is the last commercial airworthy series 1 in the world. Who flew her last sector. Stand up that now famous budgie pilot
.
The others are to be marketed worldwide but potential customers include UK based operations.
Be lucky
David
P.S. Highest time 748 is now c/n 1640 flying as C-GJVN over 62,000 hours. Good old Avro.
http://www.intl-air-parts.com.au/front_page.html
have bought all the 748s and intend to restore them all to airworthy status except the series 1 G-BEJD which they intend to donate to Duxford as it is the last commercial airworthy series 1 in the world. Who flew her last sector. Stand up that now famous budgie pilot
.The others are to be marketed worldwide but potential customers include UK based operations.
Be lucky
David
P.S. Highest time 748 is now c/n 1640 flying as C-GJVN over 62,000 hours. Good old Avro.
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From: Bishkek (nr Luton)
G-BEJD
If this is true, this is a nice suprise.
It was suggested to the previous management at JEM that 'JD went to Duxford when it was going through one of it's many withdrawl's but all they wanted to do was chop it up, like all her sisters (no soul some people).
It would join the other great British civil aircraft at Duxford: Concorde (yes I know the French had a hand in it too...), VC10, Britannia, Comet, Viscount, Herald.
Who'd of thought a Series 1 would outlast Concorde?
It was suggested to the previous management at JEM that 'JD went to Duxford when it was going through one of it's many withdrawl's but all they wanted to do was chop it up, like all her sisters (no soul some people).
It would join the other great British civil aircraft at Duxford: Concorde (yes I know the French had a hand in it too...), VC10, Britannia, Comet, Viscount, Herald.
Who'd of thought a Series 1 would outlast Concorde?
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From: Stockport MAN/EGCC
Slightly O/T but what the hey!!!
Not directly Emerald related, but the aircraft might be.
A Budgie crew enjoying a few moments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOBpBgEBQzE
If you are on here sirs or maams, take a bow
Be lucky
David
A Budgie crew enjoying a few moments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOBpBgEBQzE
If you are on here sirs or maams, take a bow
Be lucky
David
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From: East Midlands
Avgas
Cheers mate
Only had the pleasure of working full time with the mighty Budgie for a short time in the early 90's and that brought the memories flooding back! The Dart just sounds fantastic, though pre H&S police, guess I may curse that whistle when premature deafness sets in.
In 18 months of working with 2 series 1(As?), that were appraching 30 then, I can only recall the loss of 2 sectors tech! Now that I think speaks volumes for the design, not only airframe, but the fabulous but somewhat thirsty Dart.
Lets hope there is a lot of life left in the ex-JEM girls yet and some work for the people too.
Again, I have only had minimum dealings with JEM, in the days when they had a couple of pax 748s in the 90s Subbed them in a few times, bloody good bunch at ground level and the crews just as good. Remember one of their flights for us leaving a tyre at BHX on route to NCL. Before I could phone and let them know, JEM on the phone with schedule of (gratis) freighter ex LPL to NCL with spares, 'sorry the Southbound will take a delay'. That was customer service never to be forgotten.
Can anyone from JEM confirm the fate of GDAAL, used to be one of the girls I worked with, ex GBEKG, guess the scrap man got her?
Cheers
Bored
Only had the pleasure of working full time with the mighty Budgie for a short time in the early 90's and that brought the memories flooding back! The Dart just sounds fantastic, though pre H&S police, guess I may curse that whistle when premature deafness sets in.
In 18 months of working with 2 series 1(As?), that were appraching 30 then, I can only recall the loss of 2 sectors tech! Now that I think speaks volumes for the design, not only airframe, but the fabulous but somewhat thirsty Dart.
Lets hope there is a lot of life left in the ex-JEM girls yet and some work for the people too.
Again, I have only had minimum dealings with JEM, in the days when they had a couple of pax 748s in the 90s Subbed them in a few times, bloody good bunch at ground level and the crews just as good. Remember one of their flights for us leaving a tyre at BHX on route to NCL. Before I could phone and let them know, JEM on the phone with schedule of (gratis) freighter ex LPL to NCL with spares, 'sorry the Southbound will take a delay'. That was customer service never to be forgotten.
Can anyone from JEM confirm the fate of GDAAL, used to be one of the girls I worked with, ex GBEKG, guess the scrap man got her?
Cheers
Bored
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From: Abu Dhabi
G-BEJD
David,
G-BEJD,
This aircraft was retired several times,but the last and final time was 13th March 2005,flown from Liverpool to Blackpool.Departed Liverpool 08.25 and landed Blackpool 08.55,flypasts performed at both airfields........real flying.
Callsign. Gemstone 65E
Captain. Roly Bevan
First Officer. Chesley Noble-Ditchfield.
Hope this helps.
G-BEJD,
This aircraft was retired several times,but the last and final time was 13th March 2005,flown from Liverpool to Blackpool.Departed Liverpool 08.25 and landed Blackpool 08.55,flypasts performed at both airfields........real flying.
Callsign. Gemstone 65E
Captain. Roly Bevan
First Officer. Chesley Noble-Ditchfield.
Hope this helps.
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From: outer hebrides
David,
G-BEJD,
This aircraft was retired several times,but the last and final time was 13th March 2005,flown from Liverpool to Blackpool.Departed Liverpool 08.25 and landed Blackpool 08.55,flypasts performed at both airfields........real flying.
Callsign. Gemstone 65E
Captain. Roly Bevan
First Officer. Chesley Noble-Ditchfield.
Hope this helps.
G-BEJD,
This aircraft was retired several times,but the last and final time was 13th March 2005,flown from Liverpool to Blackpool.Departed Liverpool 08.25 and landed Blackpool 08.55,flypasts performed at both airfields........real flying.
Callsign. Gemstone 65E
Captain. Roly Bevan
First Officer. Chesley Noble-Ditchfield.
Hope this helps.
The old girl deserves her place in aviation history... as many of those who flew her said.... she was the "queen of the skies"
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From: East Midlands
Too many parallels,
Reminds me of the last Maersk 1-11 retired, off to CVT it did go.
All the staff that could get away watched about three or so passes over the runway at BHX from the roof of Head Office. Then a flyby down the A45 past head office, a waggle of the wings in salute to a fantastic machine as a final goodbye. Alas it was goodbye.
Let's hope someone keeps the 748 flying in the UK, not just a memorial to great aircraft design, but the spirit of aviation many have tried to keep alive.
Wish I knew then..........................If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going, no, Biggles up the front, 60's British technology, three more days to get there...........fine by me.
The manufacturers have gone, the airlines are going.
Bored
Reminds me of the last Maersk 1-11 retired, off to CVT it did go.
All the staff that could get away watched about three or so passes over the runway at BHX from the roof of Head Office. Then a flyby down the A45 past head office, a waggle of the wings in salute to a fantastic machine as a final goodbye. Alas it was goodbye.
Let's hope someone keeps the 748 flying in the UK, not just a memorial to great aircraft design, but the spirit of aviation many have tried to keep alive.
Wish I knew then..........................If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going, no, Biggles up the front, 60's British technology, three more days to get there...........fine by me.
The manufacturers have gone, the airlines are going.
Bored
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From: Somewhere between here and there....
Crewing
Dear all
I am sourcing crews current on the 748 to ferry one from BLK to DAC in the near future. If anyone can assist, please PM me. I will need as much information about your qualifications as possible i.e. total time, availability etc.
Many thanks
I am sourcing crews current on the 748 to ferry one from BLK to DAC in the near future. If anyone can assist, please PM me. I will need as much information about your qualifications as possible i.e. total time, availability etc.
Many thanks
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From: Station 42
G-BEKG
Shame to hear about Kilo Golf being scrapped; I was a flying spanner with her for a while and we did the 88/89 Paris-Dakar without any snags other than a broken steering cable. Good old girl...
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From: Isle Du Cyber
From what we are reading there is hope for some Budgies at least to keep going providing there is trill around for some time to feed them.
The 748 has a long standing connection with the Channel Islands, going back to the days of Channel Airways and Roussean Aviation.
I do hope the Series One does go down to Duxford I am shaw they will find room even if it is next to another similar aircraft that was not as succesfull but was a work horse as well the Handley Page Dart Hearld.
I and others hope we can see and hear some of these aircraft flying back in the U.K. skies again.
Good Luck and best whishes to the new owners of these budgies.
The 748 has a long standing connection with the Channel Islands, going back to the days of Channel Airways and Roussean Aviation.
I do hope the Series One does go down to Duxford I am shaw they will find room even if it is next to another similar aircraft that was not as succesfull but was a work horse as well the Handley Page Dart Hearld.
I and others hope we can see and hear some of these aircraft flying back in the U.K. skies again.
Good Luck and best whishes to the new owners of these budgies.
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From: Cheshire
I'm back
Hi everyone
A very belated Happy New Year to one and all.
Not had the Internet since mid-Nov but reconnected today after many heated discussions with BT!
New job going well. Industrial window cleaners and aircrew all have something in common - expenses chasing!! Nothing new there then.
Thanks to everyone for all their messages over the festive period and for keeping in touch.
Congrats to those cabin crew who I believe are going to Globespan.
Ta ta
Anne
A very belated Happy New Year to one and all.
Not had the Internet since mid-Nov but reconnected today after many heated discussions with BT!
New job going well. Industrial window cleaners and aircrew all have something in common - expenses chasing!! Nothing new there then.
Thanks to everyone for all their messages over the festive period and for keeping in touch.
Congrats to those cabin crew who I believe are going to Globespan.
Ta ta
Anne
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From: UK
What Tribunal?
Dear ex-emerald chaps,
does anyone know about the results of a "tribunal" in Liverpool, which I heard found against Emerald recently? Do we need to get onto KPMG? Is there any hope of getting some of the money that we are owed?
best wishes to all,
BWK
does anyone know about the results of a "tribunal" in Liverpool, which I heard found against Emerald recently? Do we need to get onto KPMG? Is there any hope of getting some of the money that we are owed?
best wishes to all,
BWK
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From: The Jack Fairman
I believe HMCE are hunting down the two 'builders'.
Seems like they may well have to give up those home comforts that came at the expense of jobs and pensions after all.
Well, what goes around as they say.............
Seems like they may well have to give up those home comforts that came at the expense of jobs and pensions after all.
Well, what goes around as they say.............