huh? I thought it was a 'Free World'??

O MNG, where are you from?? Did you go to Uni??? The reason is in the UK where BTW is, there are gliding clubs etc. affordable prices and if you are/were in University, then there might have been something like a Gliding Club or something like Air Cadets which would be even more affordable. Just a thought. Oh BTW Dont give up!

Anyhows Goodluck!

Regards!
SS

A very very interesting and informative topic so far, it reminds me when I was in the process of selection but I never once gave thought to HK$.

If you are a truly aviation enthusiast, your reason in being a pilot is your passion of flying then you will automatically be motivated, have that drive, determination, commitment, enthusiasm, will not allow any problems to prevent you from and dedication in achieving your goals or objectives in order to be a pilot.

I tried very hard in doing so , persuading at the interviews to Peggy and FiFi but It did not work.

If the rumour is true that the people at Adelaide are not doing so well, then I question the selection procedure and the motivation for people training there.

I do agree there are many different reasons for people applying, many of which have been stated, glamour ?, money.

Mr Nice Guy, Good Luck and the very best to you. I hope you make it.

A very very interesting and informative topic so far, it reminds me when I was in the process of selection but I never once gave thought to HK$.

If you are a truly aviation enthusiast, your reason in being a pilot is your passion of flying then you will automatically be motivated, have that drive, determination, commitment, enthusiasm, will not allow any problems to prevent you from and dedication in achieving your goals or objectives in order to be a pilot.

I tried very hard in doing so , persuading at the interviews to Peggy and FiFi but It did not work.

If the rumour is true that the people at Adelaide are not doing so well, then I question the selection procedure and the motivation for people training there.

I do agree there are many different reasons for people applying, many of which have been stated, glamour ?, money.

Mr Nice Guy, Good Luck and the very best to you.

Just to say thanks to all you who put in feedback to this post. From some of the posts, I can see some probable causes of the rumoured poor performances in ADL. I'm not sure if the selection process has anything to do with it, but I think that management is placing too much emphasis on how smart and intelligent their recruits are, and not enough on how enthusiastic their recruits are. We are all born differently and admittedly, some are smarter than others. Though I really do think that hardwork inspired by enthusiasm and interest in aviation can, and ultimately will, make up for it. I don't mean to hire really dumb people, but management should really place more emphasis on interest. This is what I think, please feel free to disagree!!!!!!

Come on guys, MNG is merely trying to gain some more background details about being a pilot. And we are here to help one another, not to try and stamp each other out.

I know that MNG REALLY wants to become a pilot because, like many of us, has been rejected by KA but is still persevering.

I say we try and give him a little encouragement!

SuperSandwich: Don't worry I won't give up that easily, and thanks for the encouragement!!! But unfortunately I can't join my Uni's RAF squadron, because I wear glasses!!! I did try, but that's the military for you!!!

Cheers guys

BTW

SuperSandwich: can you post your e-mail address on your profile please!

Cheers

BTW

MNG, I have to intrude again and add my one sense..Heheheh

People in the US DO fly for less than 15k a month. When they start off in the regionals, they make only 1000usd, you do the math.

Why?? Because they want to be there, and they want the hours. You are talking about jumping straight into the right seat of a A-320/1 with KA or B744/A340 SO for CX. What more can a person want? Big planes, big engines, and high mach speed. You get perks, travel benefits (please no remarks from CX staff)and entitled to a bunch of paid leave.

WOULD YOU start off on a small turboprop, or even just a piston twin, carry cargo? I think not as YOU seem to think not worth it.

I personally don't care what cockpit I am in, from a two seater to the A380, but I will be happy anywhere.

So the situation is, is 15K do little and for some people to take jobs like that or paid less stupid? I sure hope not, but I do give them credit AND honor that they do try.

Like I said before, when you are counting your eggs before you get them, does not make the world turn. I am not a Professional Pilot yet, but with my last breath, if that is what will take, I will get there.

Money doesn't rule the world, it only lubes it up and let is spin better. You are better off buying a lottery ticket.

By the way, HOW MUCH aviation knowledge do you have? DO YOU know anything about these airlines? DO YOU read updating information? DO YOU try to learn about flying, perhaps buy a textbook? I am sure these things do consume time and a little bit of money, but buddy, it is well worth.

IF, you do not have any information, AND you make down south, I don't know if you are ready to absorb all that information. It is not 2 years, but 14 months.

Regards.

MNG:Smallwing, I think you are thinking in a much too idealistic world, because in the real world, you can't really just 'do' something just because you like to do it.

ps. Doing what we like to do is what makes this world goes round. I would not like to be stuck in something coz I have to do it. Would you MNG?
Oh, BTW, hear JAR standards are lifting up on eyesight requirements. Is your eyesight worse than -5 diopters? If not, you can consider doing LASIK and fly in Europe. BUT, I only heard this and cannot confirm as of yet.
Cheers, and Good Luck!

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Smallwing, I think you have very successfully misunderstood me once again! :) To clear things up, if I had to START in General Aviation, small airacraft etc... and would be paid 15K a month for doing that, that's no problem. This is because I know I will have the chance for career progression in the future and that I won't be stuck on 15K/month for the rest of my life. I think you interpreted me as saying: "I will never ever accept a 15K job at any stage of my flying career"... that is not what I was trying to say.

One more small correction to make, I have not been rejected by KA yet! (BTW) Or perhaps BigTimeWannabe is just trying to predict the future!!

MNG, I am not surprised that you haven't been selected for the CX cadet course. Personally, if I were rating you, I would say

ENTHUSIASM = 3
GREED = 9

What you need to get in is

ENTHUSIASM = 9+
GREED = Money? I get PAID to do this?

Consider that CX are willing to poney up over HK$1,000,000 for ADL, have you barely productive for over 3 years as a very green S/O while paying you HK$25K a month ++, (that's another HK$1,000,000) and then put you into the right seat of at least an A330, the LAST thing you (as a cadet wannabe) should be asking is "Btw, anyone got actual salary figures or knows where I could find some for myself".

Get real. Either come back with an ATPL and 2500 hours or shut up and take it with a smile on your face. CX owes you NOTHING.

I do read many aviation books,Trevor Thom PPL series, got Martin Willing's book, Syd's Pirates and Beyond Lion Rock.

Kubota, I agree with your rating on enthusiasm but I beleive it is not sufficient, I showed countless enthusiasm yet I failed. I do know my eyeisht is one of some problems.

Kubota, of course they don't, no one owes me anything. But you see, it's not that I'm trying to bargain to get a better pay package, i'm merely wanting to know what kind of benefits I can expect to receive should I be selected and graduate. Just look at it like this, if the figures I requested look "too" bad, then i won't even bother applying. As another example, I think everyone who goes into an interview (for any job) would at least have a fair idea of what they expect to be paid if they are employed. Any prospective cadet should not be an exception. To be totally frank, I'm kind of surprised at the amount of negative comments I'm getting just because I requested some info on how much an airline pays it's pilots. And since some of you are so against me asking, what did you actually expect me to do? Let's say I do finish the course, am I suppose to find out how much I get paid just before I sign the contract? I mean, wouldn't it be wise to know how much you'll end up getting paid before you put in all the effort. As I mentioned before, money is NOT the most important thing but it is one of the areas which I, and probably everyone else, should take into consideration when choosing a career path.

OK, point taken, but all the details are available from Peggy or T.P...you know who they are, right?

Sorry MNG, I thought you have been unsuccessful previously. I wasn't refering to this time round.

Sorry, got confused.

Good luck with the rest of your assesment. Have you got as far as flight grading yet?

BTW

......and Smallwing, thanks for the info. Checked out the CAA (UK) website, and the class one requirement is already -5 dioptres. Maybe I'll start saving up for both LASIK and flying. That is one tall order!!!!!

Cheers

BTW

BTW, sorry to rain on your parade, but CX does NOT accept lasik treatment in initial applicants (s/o's or cadets).

Guys, go get a life.

Hi Mr Nice guy

Just want to know when you applied for KA cadet scheme were you living overseas? And if you were did they pay for your travel expences? How old are you if you don't mind my asking? Do you have a degree?

Thanking you in advance.

Chunks

MNG, before I begin, all the best towards your flight grading. Hope you get what you want, as I know millions of people do not get what they want everyday.

Not to be rude in bringing this point up is that, DA1 & 2 went down WITHOUT knowing how much they were making, BUT it was the prestige and love for flying that drove them. I am not saying that you do not show love in flying but you DO show that if the price is not right, you will not do it. You mentioned that yourself in the reply on this page. But I will try not to mention this anymore and as like everyone else, Best Wishes.

Sigma, are you with CX? I have seen your name popping throughout PPRUNE for the past couple of years. If not, how is your progress?

BTW, sorry to forget to mention that CX do not hire anyone without good eyesight. I just wanted you to know that there are chances for you to get a Class One and if you build your hours, can still enter direct. Can you leave an email add, I may be able to share more with you.

Guys, lets be frank. Who does not want to sit in the front seat, coming in for approach? Or be the ONE that flies the approach. I sure wish I can. All I have to say for those that are not there yet, never give up. There will be ups and downs but the struggle only makes the victory more sweeter!

Have a nice day.

Smallwing, my e-mail is correct on the pprune database. You can get it if you just click on my profile or the e-mail icon above this message(for future reference).

Here it is anyway: [email protected]

Hope to hear from you

BTW

thanks for understanding kubota. Smallwing, that's right if the price is not right than I won't do it. On the other hand, if I knew for certain that I'd be staying single all my life(lets hope this won't happen), I would take the 15K/month job.... as with all the above people, best wishes to everyone.

To Chunks: They DO NOT pay for your travel expenses for any of the cadet selections. Now, I think you're REALLY expecting too much!! Correct me if i'm wrong pplz, but they don't even pay for your travel even for the 1st SO interviews but they do for the subsequent ones right? But definitely not the cadet one chunks. You can email me if you want to.

Cheers.