KA & CX salary comparisons
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KA & CX salary comparisons
Wanted to see how the salaries between the 2 companies differ. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe a CX SO earns a basic salary of around HKD$30K/month right? Although I know KA doesn't have SOs, i was wondering how much their FOs earn? Or perhaps even a KA captain........
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mr. nice guy , ithink they only take local's as F/O's and u may stand a chance to join them if u're their PR and speak their language .. i'm not quite sure but that's what i heard around town ... but we could share info if u like to ...
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Thank you all (BigtimeWannabe, a330)
Chk: KA is "Hong Kong Dragon Airlines"
Bigtimewannabe: Look time to see! How have you been... sorry to hear you never heard from them... i'm going through their process at the moment(still haven't failed yet after a couple of stages!).. it's taking yonks though... Btw, KA cadets do join the company as SOs but after some initial training on the A320 become first officers (no long haul flights means no need for SOs)
a330: Yes I am a HK PR... not exactly local though..hehe..
But, i still meet all the requirements...
Cyaz.
Btw, anyone got actual salary figures or knows where I could find some for myself?
Chk: KA is "Hong Kong Dragon Airlines"
Bigtimewannabe: Look time to see! How have you been... sorry to hear you never heard from them... i'm going through their process at the moment(still haven't failed yet after a couple of stages!).. it's taking yonks though... Btw, KA cadets do join the company as SOs but after some initial training on the A320 become first officers (no long haul flights means no need for SOs)
a330: Yes I am a HK PR... not exactly local though..hehe..
But, i still meet all the requirements...Cyaz.
Btw, anyone got actual salary figures or knows where I could find some for myself?
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MNG, is that all you ever think about ...salaries, money etc. When I was just starting out, I was happy standin' by the airport fence sniffing Jet A. Worry about the money later, believe me you'll have 20 -30 years of it. Right now enjoy the aviation aspect of it.
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hi don patrol, i really do enjoy the aviation aspect of it all. Before you go on to say I don't actually like flying and that I only want to fly for money, hear this, I love aviation. But let's face it, there'll come a time when most of us will be getting married, having kids, buying houses, buying cars so on..., and that's when all the $$$ will come in very handy!! Wouldn't you agree?
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MNG,
I totally agree with Don Patrol. You are not even in the door yet, and all you can think of is $$$. There is a long way to go before you will even make it to FO, so, get your act together and start asking more questions about the selection process, technical aspects, etc, before worrying about money and life style. If you dont even make it to the final stage and get accepted to the Cadet program, there will be NO MONEy at all.
Wannabes like you should be showing more interest in aviation. Fair enough, you said that you "love Aviation". Have you done any flying on your own? Got a PPL? Done anything at all that will help your chances of getting in with KA?
Before you start thinking I am a racist or anything, let me tell you that I am a local pilot who has made it thru hard work and motivation. And only now, after 5 years, am I starting to think about the money.
DECU
I totally agree with Don Patrol. You are not even in the door yet, and all you can think of is $$$. There is a long way to go before you will even make it to FO, so, get your act together and start asking more questions about the selection process, technical aspects, etc, before worrying about money and life style. If you dont even make it to the final stage and get accepted to the Cadet program, there will be NO MONEy at all.
Wannabes like you should be showing more interest in aviation. Fair enough, you said that you "love Aviation". Have you done any flying on your own? Got a PPL? Done anything at all that will help your chances of getting in with KA?
Before you start thinking I am a racist or anything, let me tell you that I am a local pilot who has made it thru hard work and motivation. And only now, after 5 years, am I starting to think about the money.
DECU
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Hi DECU,
Hi there. Nice to hear your opinions. Can I ask which airline you're in? Well I think it's good to plan ahead. I think a few people have slightly misunderstood my asking about salaries. I just basically want to know whether the career prospects in KA are as good as in CX? If I really end up flying for a living, I want to know that I'm flying for a company that will hold a bright future for me. I completely understand what DECU and Don Patrol are trying to say and respect your views but I hope you can see that I'm not that money minded!
Hi there. Nice to hear your opinions. Can I ask which airline you're in? Well I think it's good to plan ahead. I think a few people have slightly misunderstood my asking about salaries. I just basically want to know whether the career prospects in KA are as good as in CX? If I really end up flying for a living, I want to know that I'm flying for a company that will hold a bright future for me. I completely understand what DECU and Don Patrol are trying to say and respect your views but I hope you can see that I'm not that money minded!
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Mr. Nice Guy,
Alright, fair enough, we all want a bit of stability in our lives and there is no harm in trying to plan your future.
However, I just wanna let you know, you will never be rich flying for an airline. You will earn a pretty good living, but nothing extravagant.
We are in this business because we love the job and we wanna get rewarded for it, but the rewards you get is nothign compared to doctors or lawyers, etc.
I wish you luck with your interviews with KA or CX, but please, try worrying about getting in the door before you start worrying about the money or any other issues. You must concentrate on getting hired first, and then getting through the training program, which i can assure you is not easy, and then after that, getting through the type rating course. And if you are still in the ball game after all this, which will take about 2 years, and get promoted to S/O, the basic salary will be $28000 per month. After about 1 year as an SO, and if you are still with it, you will be promoted to JFO, with a salary of about 38000 a month. 2 years as a JFO and then you get promoted to FO, with a salary of 55000 a month.
So, there you have it. Now that you know what the basic pay scales is for KA, try asking other questions which might help you get hired. And if you are really motivated, try gettign a head start on your career by taking a few flying lessons, get a part time job and sweep the hangar floors, wash airplanes etc. and stop worrying aobut the money or anything else until you are firmly in the door and have proven to KA that you are worth the money!Until you have paid your dues the only thing that should be on your mind is getting the job and surviving the training.
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Alright, fair enough, we all want a bit of stability in our lives and there is no harm in trying to plan your future.
However, I just wanna let you know, you will never be rich flying for an airline. You will earn a pretty good living, but nothing extravagant.
We are in this business because we love the job and we wanna get rewarded for it, but the rewards you get is nothign compared to doctors or lawyers, etc.
I wish you luck with your interviews with KA or CX, but please, try worrying about getting in the door before you start worrying about the money or any other issues. You must concentrate on getting hired first, and then getting through the training program, which i can assure you is not easy, and then after that, getting through the type rating course. And if you are still in the ball game after all this, which will take about 2 years, and get promoted to S/O, the basic salary will be $28000 per month. After about 1 year as an SO, and if you are still with it, you will be promoted to JFO, with a salary of about 38000 a month. 2 years as a JFO and then you get promoted to FO, with a salary of 55000 a month.
So, there you have it. Now that you know what the basic pay scales is for KA, try asking other questions which might help you get hired. And if you are really motivated, try gettign a head start on your career by taking a few flying lessons, get a part time job and sweep the hangar floors, wash airplanes etc. and stop worrying aobut the money or anything else until you are firmly in the door and have proven to KA that you are worth the money!Until you have paid your dues the only thing that should be on your mind is getting the job and surviving the training.
DECU
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Decu Well said!!
I think MNG you should try to do some flying, DECU said try to do a PPL or even try gliding which is a good basic intro to flying.
Yes there does come a time when everyone will thinking of getting married etc. but I guess it all depends on which you feel is more important getting the dream job you always have wished for and worked hard for or thinking about the luxuries that you want when you get paid the $$$ at the end of every month. I hope all goes well for all you guys trying to get into KA or CX, who really do want to have this dream job but those who are in it for the money, I have no time for. I have seen too many ppl who say "I had nothing better to do" Or " I saw the add in the SCMP so I applied for the the fun of it." MNG I hope all goes well. Woeey about getting in first. As the money is the least of your worries believe me as if you get in on the course you have 13-14 months of hard work and stress.
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I think MNG you should try to do some flying, DECU said try to do a PPL or even try gliding which is a good basic intro to flying.
Yes there does come a time when everyone will thinking of getting married etc. but I guess it all depends on which you feel is more important getting the dream job you always have wished for and worked hard for or thinking about the luxuries that you want when you get paid the $$$ at the end of every month. I hope all goes well for all you guys trying to get into KA or CX, who really do want to have this dream job but those who are in it for the money, I have no time for. I have seen too many ppl who say "I had nothing better to do" Or " I saw the add in the SCMP so I applied for the the fun of it." MNG I hope all goes well. Woeey about getting in first. As the money is the least of your worries believe me as if you get in on the course you have 13-14 months of hard work and stress.
Regards
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MNG, I didn't want to take a crack, but I have to. It is people like you that makes the flight deck scary. I can understand CX pilots not happy with management, as they have been there for a while and things were taken away from these pilots.
As for you, if you really thinking about money, you should go into the banking or law business. In aviation, we need someone we can depend on, with our lives. I would not want to be caught dead in the flight deck with you, while you are wondering how much you make that month.
Please don't take this too harsh, for our safety and yours, think about your future in aviation.
PS> As you say you are going through their selection, do realize that they do read PPRUNE and do have an idea who these people are!
Cheers.
As for you, if you really thinking about money, you should go into the banking or law business. In aviation, we need someone we can depend on, with our lives. I would not want to be caught dead in the flight deck with you, while you are wondering how much you make that month.
Please don't take this too harsh, for our safety and yours, think about your future in aviation.
PS> As you say you are going through their selection, do realize that they do read PPRUNE and do have an idea who these people are!
Cheers.
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Hello again!
Supersandwich: If only I could afford some flying lessons...
Smallwing: Point taken.
I think I understand the general views here. Even without being told by anyone here, I know that the 2 years of initial training WILL be hard and also the working afterwards won't be easy either and that I might not even get in. But look at it this way, I don't want to risk putting in all this effort and hardwork only to realise in the future that both my family and I will have to 'struggle' with daily expenses. That said, given the salary scales that DECU has posted, I don't believe I'll have a problem. So in ending this post, I just want to say: YES I want to become a pilot because I just want to fly, but NO I will not be a pilot if doing it means my family and I will have to struggle with expenses. So, I hope everyone can see that I'm not actually greedy, merely trying to plan ahead.
Supersandwich: If only I could afford some flying lessons...
Smallwing: Point taken.
I think I understand the general views here. Even without being told by anyone here, I know that the 2 years of initial training WILL be hard and also the working afterwards won't be easy either and that I might not even get in. But look at it this way, I don't want to risk putting in all this effort and hardwork only to realise in the future that both my family and I will have to 'struggle' with daily expenses. That said, given the salary scales that DECU has posted, I don't believe I'll have a problem. So in ending this post, I just want to say: YES I want to become a pilot because I just want to fly, but NO I will not be a pilot if doing it means my family and I will have to struggle with expenses. So, I hope everyone can see that I'm not actually greedy, merely trying to plan ahead.
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Most of us do not think of family until it becomes a situation. I am not that old and not ready to settle down until I get into a flight deck of an airline. Any airline.
Anyone can tell you how a lot of people came up in rankings. Paid for their own flying, WHILE holding a job. Do small things to build time, ie...tow banners, gliders and stuff. Getting a CFI to teach people to fly just for the hours, roughing it with small regionals (turboprops, loud sweaty cramped cockpits), bush flying and so on.
That is determination. Can any of us afford being a pilot? NO. But do we try? Hell yeah, coz that is what we want to do.
As mentioned by Sandwich, I think you really need to get into a cockpit for a familiarization flight, won't cost a lot, and see if you like it. If these airlines only pay 15K a month, would you do it? Or you would find something else?
Be what you REALLY wanna be, I would hope you don't feel like you entered the wrong field when you are aboard.
Take this msg like advice. Never ever mention money unless you are qualified.
Best Wishes
Anyone can tell you how a lot of people came up in rankings. Paid for their own flying, WHILE holding a job. Do small things to build time, ie...tow banners, gliders and stuff. Getting a CFI to teach people to fly just for the hours, roughing it with small regionals (turboprops, loud sweaty cramped cockpits), bush flying and so on.
That is determination. Can any of us afford being a pilot? NO. But do we try? Hell yeah, coz that is what we want to do.
As mentioned by Sandwich, I think you really need to get into a cockpit for a familiarization flight, won't cost a lot, and see if you like it. If these airlines only pay 15K a month, would you do it? Or you would find something else?
Be what you REALLY wanna be, I would hope you don't feel like you entered the wrong field when you are aboard.
Take this msg like advice. Never ever mention money unless you are qualified.
Best Wishes
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Nor could I afford lessons, a few years back but then I still manage to get some. Where there is a will there is a way. I guess you dont want to fly that badly after all??? 
No one said that becoming a pilot was going to be easy. How much hardwork have you put in??? I am sure some ppl have put in lots more than you, all around the world but still have no joy. I think you should consider yourself lucky to even get an interview. Your 'family' present/future should understand that they may have to struggle a little in order for your dream come true. Otherwise what is the point in having a dream? Is your dream to have an ordinary job that can support your family-to-be and to have a car a house??? Or is Your dream to have a job which you have always wanted since childhood and maybe think about house later, family way later and a car, a maybe ( if you are gonna live in HK) ??? As I have none of the above!!! as I cant afford it. I hope with a bit of saving here and there I can. It all come down to sacrafice!! How much are you willing to???
Regards!
No one said that becoming a pilot was going to be easy. How much hardwork have you put in??? I am sure some ppl have put in lots more than you, all around the world but still have no joy. I think you should consider yourself lucky to even get an interview. Your 'family' present/future should understand that they may have to struggle a little in order for your dream come true. Otherwise what is the point in having a dream? Is your dream to have an ordinary job that can support your family-to-be and to have a car a house??? Or is Your dream to have a job which you have always wanted since childhood and maybe think about house later, family way later and a car, a maybe ( if you are gonna live in HK) ??? As I have none of the above!!! as I cant afford it. I hope with a bit of saving here and there I can. It all come down to sacrafice!! How much are you willing to???
Regards!
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PS, since you have been thinking about family so much, you need to sit down a watch about 10 hours of plane crash events, read more about it and then ask yourself, "What if that happened to me? Can I hack it? What would happen to my 'family' then??"
It gets scary as you see literally people dying in front of your eyes. What would YOU do if you were flying the Mandarin MD-11 2 years ago?
Do you think about these things?? Maybe you should now.
Cheers
It gets scary as you see literally people dying in front of your eyes. What would YOU do if you were flying the Mandarin MD-11 2 years ago?
Do you think about these things?? Maybe you should now.
Cheers
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Smallwing: Interesting point you put forward, "Would I work for an airline if the job only paid 15K a month".... very honestly NO. I think if I were to answer yes, then I would be one stupid person. There are perhaps many young or shortsighted people that would say yes, but if the job really only paid 15K a month, then I'm sure they will regret it when the time comes for them to support a wife and kids. Smallwing, I think you are thinking in a much too idealistic world, because in the real world, you can't really just 'do' something just because you like to do it. In my opinion, one needs to consider the various other factors involved both in the present and in the future. Let me ask you, would you do it for 15K a month? Let's say you were starting out to become a pilot, would you accept this low pay? I think for many who say they really want to become pilots they say this for 2 primary reasons:
1) They really do like flying;
2) They also see the 'possible' financial rewards in the future.
The 2 reasons above are definitely my reasons. To be really honest, I would rather be stuck with a job that I don't like as much than get a job that I do love doing but which pays me barely enough to get by. So I know you're asking yourself again, "how much does this guy like flying?". Well I'll tell you this, if I didn't like flying, why wouldn't I just get another job which:
1) Perhaps pays more;
2) Is more stable (in terms of flying everwhere all the time);
3) Is perhaps easier to get (afterall, becoming a pilot is no easy thing);
4) As mentioned, isn't as potentially dangerous as flying.
So you see, money isn't the main thing I consider when saying I want to become a pilot, it's just one of the things I do consider.
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1) They really do like flying;
2) They also see the 'possible' financial rewards in the future.
The 2 reasons above are definitely my reasons. To be really honest, I would rather be stuck with a job that I don't like as much than get a job that I do love doing but which pays me barely enough to get by. So I know you're asking yourself again, "how much does this guy like flying?". Well I'll tell you this, if I didn't like flying, why wouldn't I just get another job which:
1) Perhaps pays more;
2) Is more stable (in terms of flying everwhere all the time);
3) Is perhaps easier to get (afterall, becoming a pilot is no easy thing);
4) As mentioned, isn't as potentially dangerous as flying.
So you see, money isn't the main thing I consider when saying I want to become a pilot, it's just one of the things I do consider.
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