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Cury Lamb 17th Jan 2022 12:20

GBA will make its grand entrance later this year, magically at the same time the border with the motherland opens up.

The whole POS 18, ‘blame the virus spread on CX’ etc. has been in the making for the last few years. It’s all in the grand scheme to get rid of the Swires and their british legacy airline, once and for all.

Hong Kong's Greater Bay Airlines Mulling $1.8 Billion Aircraft Order
https://simpleflying.com/greater-bay...s-1-8-billion/
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...8b-plane-order

Oasis 17th Jan 2022 14:47

If there was a grand sceme to get rid of CX, why bail them out in the first place?

I don't think so.

Dingleberry Handpump 17th Jan 2022 15:46


Originally Posted by Oasis (Post 11171225)
If there was a grand sceme to get rid of CX, why bail them out in the first place?

I don't think so.

Time were very different when the bailout happened, Oasis.

Oasis 17th Jan 2022 16:10

I'm sure there are easier ways to get rid of CX, if they wanted to. We'll see.

mngmt mole 17th Jan 2022 18:02


Originally Posted by KABOY (Post 11171106)
The reality is that pilots are becoming a low paid skill set.

Inflicting oneself to this mental anguish for financial compensation says a lot about the profession. In other countries their self worth is slightly higher, but CX has found a new bottom.

This truly is the ‘boiler room’ on a 1800’s Swire steam ship.


In the US you have Captains at the major airlines making over $500K (some Fedex captains have made a $m + with overtime). A two year FO makes almost $200K at most majors. So no, not all pilots are considered a low paid skill set. Only in places where people are willing to work for low wages will that model survive. The lesson of that need not be emphasized...

CCA 17th Jan 2022 23:07


Originally Posted by Oasis (Post 11171225)
If there was a grand sceme to get rid of CX, why bail them out in the first place?

I don't think so.

Likely use of “debt trap diplomacy” which is also why cx hasn’t drawn down on the loan.

BubbaJ 18th Jan 2022 00:41

If these clowns want to keep paying me for doing absolutely nothing, I'll let em

I bet they wished they laid off non PR cx pilots from the bottom of the list, now forced to re hire ex KA guys while hundreds of FO's and SO's sit idle.
How insanely stupid but then again nothing makes sense around here anymore.

mngmt mole 18th Jan 2022 03:30

"Insanely stupid" is what the Swire's do best.

propje 18th Jan 2022 08:17

Wait until those SO’s and FO’s sitting at home doing nothing go for there visa renewal…

hyg 18th Jan 2022 08:45


Originally Posted by Oasis (Post 11171225)
If there was a grand sceme to get rid of CX, why bail them out in the first place?

I don't think so.

getting rid of cx doesn't mean wiping it out of existence.... the Gov has 2 Party-nominated secretaries on the board, Air China has ppl on the board, who knows what will happen next... maybe they'll arrest a few non-Chinese directors and force Swire to handover the rest of it.... wouldn't put it past the dictatorship these days, I have a feeling the arrest of the 2 ex-cabin crew are just the beginning

CodyBlade 18th Jan 2022 09:51


british legacy airline in HK
A huge pimple on the nose.

Imagine a Chinese legacy airline operating out of Birmingham.

MENELAUS 18th Jan 2022 10:10


Originally Posted by CodyBlade (Post 11171556)
A huge pimple on the nose.

Imagine a Chinese legacy airline operating out of Birmingham.


Imagine the Chinese government owning the port of Felixstowe ? Or Piraeus ? Imagine the HNA group owning an European bank. ? Oh hang on. They do.

SOPS 18th Jan 2022 10:34


Originally Posted by Globocnik (Post 11171565)
Imagine the Chinese government owning the port of Felixstowe ? Or Piraeus ? Imagine the HNA group owning an European bank. ? Oh hang on. They do.

Imagine the Australian Government being stupid enough to lease out the Darwin Harbour which is also a joint USA/ Australian naval base for 99 years… oh wait…. I think they have!

KABOY 18th Jan 2022 11:43


Originally Posted by Globocnik (Post 11171565)
Imagine the Chinese government owning the port of Felixstowe ? Or Piraeus ? Imagine the HNA group owning an European bank. ? Oh hang on. They do.

There are two models under the CCP model, internal and external.
Internally, no non Chinese entity shall control business in China.

Externally, that is the fault of the gweilos for allowing a Chinese business to have control under their corporate laws.

Want to invest in China, then play by their rules, this hasn’t changed in decades..

Don't confuse jurisdictions.

Oli777 18th Jan 2022 15:51

They're going after the Hamsters now! Better hide your pets, cats & dogs are next!

Jn14:6 18th Jan 2022 16:26

For a moment there I thought you meant graduates of a certain British flying training establishment! Can't be too many of those left there though.

MENELAUS 18th Jan 2022 16:41


Originally Posted by Jn14:6 (Post 11171722)
For a moment there I thought you meant graduates of a certain British flying training establishment! Can't be too many of those left there though.

I think our Zimbabwean Instagram 1 is about it. !!

Oasis 18th Jan 2022 17:56

Better kill all the animals, you can never be too sure...

kenfoggo 18th Jan 2022 20:35

Jn14:6= showing your age there! Hamble closed an age ago. All the graduates I know of are long since retired. Happy days! Go well, stay well!


Oli777 19th Jan 2022 02:48

Here comes the big disgusting shock, animals are now contracting covid-19, multiple animals at a zoo's around the world have got it, all the cats! If they just killed 20,000 hamsters what do you think they'll do to all the domestic cats & dogs?
On a lighter note, Omicron isn't all that bad and the next variant will probably be called Pi. It will be ironic if fat people started getting Pi.

The world really has gone to the dogs.

lucille 19th Jan 2022 02:56

If true, then may be wise to avoid hotpot restaurants until this new source of protein drys up.

Max Reheat 19th Jan 2022 03:05

I sincerely hope the dog that resides downstairs from me, and seems to wake up hungry at 3am every morning, is diagnosed with covid! I'll gladly do a week at PB just to shut that mutt up forever!

Diogenes. 19th Jan 2022 06:30

Why not just send the hamsters to Penny's Bay? :confused:

tanchekming 19th Jan 2022 07:54

despite all being said, i think u aussies in CX deserved what happened today

kenfoggo 19th Jan 2022 08:23

”Kill the Hamsters!” If the Chief Executive of Hong Kong accidentally stumbles into the real world she will have to acknowledge that there citizens with enough intelligence to realise the true farce her administration has become. Are her actions for the health of the population? No! If it were then vaccination would have been a priority ,or even compulsory. Are her actions for the benefit of the population? No! Her actions are destroying the economy of Hong Kong and people are losing their jobs. It seems to be much more about control. It has even become accepted that her administration can take you and your family from the safety of your own home and incarcerate you all in a state run concentration camp at Penny’s Bay for any incursion , such as shopping at a pet shop for instance. Madness.

Cury Lamb 19th Jan 2022 09:40

This just confirms that Curry Lamb is the devil in disguise.

MENELAUS 19th Jan 2022 10:53

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0d15e9397.jpeg

jetjockey696 19th Jan 2022 11:04

I guess the government has been listening and watching The Simpsons.

"Lisa, if you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day and do it really half-assed."

AND for the patriots of the city...in central. Three little sentences will get you through LEGCO term.

"Number 1: Cover for me. Number 2: Oh, good idea, Boss! Number 3: It was like that when I got here." Homer Simpson ----well these three points will get you through life..anyway..

No longer ATC 19th Jan 2022 13:03


Originally Posted by kenfoggo (Post 11171822)
Jn14:6= showing your age there! Hamble closed an age ago. All the graduates I know of are long since retired. Happy days! Go well, stay well!

Still a handful at Big Airways :) :)

mngmt mole 19th Jan 2022 14:51

The Hamble Hampsters were always great to fly with...it was a good era at CX.

MENELAUS 19th Jan 2022 15:02

What. ? Even Jonny 5 knots. ???

mngmt mole 19th Jan 2022 15:35

Well...there was the odd exception...!! :-)

Diogenes. 19th Jan 2022 22:19


Originally Posted by mngmt mole (Post 11172204)
The Hamble Hampsters were always great to fly with...it was a good era at CX.

OMG! Can somebody please had me a sick bag?!!

Diogenes. 19th Jan 2022 22:23

please hand...

mngmt mole 19th Jan 2022 23:25

It's ok...every generation has it's own outlook. Back to TikTok...

Cury Lamb 20th Jan 2022 04:40

Perhaps a bit dramatic, but nonetheless some interesting facts about the debt repayment.

Like we say in chinese: 世界上冇免費既午餐
(there’s no such thing as a free lunch)


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b609b5711.jpeg

https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...is-running-out

JMock 20th Jan 2022 06:54


Originally Posted by Cury Lamb;[url=tel:11172435
11172435]Perhaps a bit dramatic, but nonetheless some interesting facts about the debt repayment.

Like we say in chinese: 世界上冇免費既午餐
(there’s no such thing as a free lunch)


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b609b5711.jpeg

https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...is-running-out

cury lamb

Classic
respect 😂

what are your views on the female freighter star?
are you just as obsessed?

Diogenes. 20th Jan 2022 08:29


Originally Posted by mngmt mole (Post 11172376)
It's ok...every generation has it's own outlook. Back to TikTok...

'Back to TikTok'?! How dare you, you arrogant old fool?! Come on then! Tell the World why it was so wonderful, flying with the ‘Hamsters’, and not so wonderful flying with Cathay’s own cadets.


For those who don’t read ancient history, the ‘Hamsters’ were British Airways ab initio cadets who got their CPL at a flying school called Hamble. They had no war stories to tell because they were civilians and they weren’t ex-Annset either. Indeed, they weren’t even Austranauts and hadn’t droned around the outback like Sky Gods of the Dreamtime! A direct background comparison of the so-called ‘Hamsters’ would be Cathay cadets, except the Hamsters were exclusively white, male, A-Scalers. And its the word ‘exclusively’ that you should take note of.

I flew with a couple of Hamsters myself, and as I recall, they were indeed gentleman of the highest calibre. It’s a shame the same couldn’t be said of the A-Scalers in general. I put it to you Mole that you look upon those halcyon days because you fantasise that the Hamsters were somehow a reflection of yourself, but the sad fact is, pilots of 'my generation' won’t need to be reminded of the story of Narcissus gazing lustfully into his pool. At least Uncle Rod got one thing right, the A-scalers were just a bunch of ‘millionaire morons’. His words not mine, but then again he never flew with the A-scalers. I would have said the A-scalers were just a bunch of 'sad, spiteful, multi-millionaire, misogynistic, masonic malcontents', who were only ever interested in feathering their own nests. Nests, which by the way, were already the most highly feathered nests since archaeopteryx. They took, took, took and gave nothing back to their junior colleagues but contempt. And the archive of this very forum is a comprehensive testament to that fact.

There is now a very real prospect of Cathay failing. Literally thousands of good men and women out of a job through no fault of their own. Young professionals who put an application in to Cathay in good faith, and who had every right to expect to treated as fellow professionals. But, irrespective of whether Cathay fails or not, it’s already over. Cos18 is already a reality, and the blame for that abomination can be laid firmly and squarely at the feet of the A-scale leadership, or lack there of. Don’t blame the Swires, they’re just a bunch of dopes who couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery. All the Swires ever did was take advantage of A-scale greed and cowardice. The only strategy that the A-scalers ever employed to defend their COS was to be nasty to their junior colleagues in the beleaguered hope that enough would resign to bother the Swires. Well, how did that work out Mole? Proud of yourself? Were you one of the more than 50% of the A-scalers who deserted the AOA when you had to put your hand in your pocket? The A-scalers broke the Union, not the Swires. The rest is now history.

Cathay Pacific, founded in 1946 didn’t employ Hong Kong pilots until 1989, and only then because it was becoming politically untenable. Women weren’t employed until some time in the mid to late nineties, and most of the trailblazers subsequently resigned because of the treatment they received, FROM THE A-SCALERS. To this day, Cathay doesn’t employ a single pilot from North of the border, and I only use the word ‘border’ because it happens to be closed at the moment. 'One country, two systems’ is now dead! Hong Kong is now China and, as always, Cathay is wayyyy behind the times, not in small part because the A-scalers tried so desperately to maintain Flt-ops as a closed shop. Cathay was never a professional outfit; it was nothing more than an old boys flying club. And, it hasn’t maintained the highest failure rate this industry has ever seen because it has high standards. Cathay has the highest failure rate because it has NO standards! The trouble with ’standards’, (look it up in the dictionary), is that if applied consistently and fairly, ’standards’ can always be met through hard work, dedication, and professionalism, at which point the gatekeepers lose control. In Cathay ’the cream doesn’t rise, sh!t floats’.

The Titanic has already sunk and it had an A-scaler at the wheel when it went down, supported by his minions in C&T. If it ever reemerges it will only be because the Chinese see fit to dredge the carcass up from the deep, melt it down, and transform it in to something totally unrecognisable. But why bother?

My heart truly goes out to all those dedicated professionals who now find themselves caught between a rock and a hard place. Hang in there. There’s life after Cathay.

What a tragic story?!

ToCatLady 20th Jan 2022 09:01

Well...... That escalated a little.

MENELAUS 20th Jan 2022 09:12

Well he is a Greek cynic who eschewed manners and preferred telling it like it is. Or was.
Although having known plenty, and been an A scaler at one time, I think his comments are well wide of the mark.


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