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Oasis 9th Jun 2020 04:01

No, it is Carrie Lam!
30 billion

fly1981 9th Jun 2020 04:02

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hong-kong-economy/article/3088130/trading-cathay-pacific-hal

there you go( if scmp is to be believed)

Yonosoy Marinero 9th Jun 2020 04:28

Well, I did NOT see that coming...

Maybe the 2 advisors they put on the board can prevent the next fuel hedging or cargo fine debacle.
:}

Dragon Pacific 9th Jun 2020 04:37

That will finish off bases. Can’t use government money to keep people employed in other countries.

Oasis 9th Jun 2020 04:43

As long as bases are cheaper by way of whatever metrics they use, they will remain.

cxorcist 9th Jun 2020 05:05

It’s a big, public loan that comes with board oversight. On its face, no big deal. What I’m wondering is how involved the Mainland ChiComs are in this move... They own 30% of CX and, well, 100% of Carrie Lam!

viking avenger 9th Jun 2020 05:31


Originally Posted by Dragon Pacific (Post 10806274)
That will finish off bases. Can’t use government money to keep people employed in other countries.

when all the based pilots still pay HKIRD Taxes?

ACMS 9th Jun 2020 05:36


Originally Posted by Dragon Pacific (Post 10806274)
That will finish off bases. Can’t use government money to keep people employed in other countries.


What BS......you’d like that wouldn’t you!!

Bases are the cheapest Pilots in Cx bar none. A country mile cheaper....and they will take a 25% pay cut this year alone on top of their already 30% cheaper salaries....

OK4Wire 9th Jun 2020 06:20


Originally Posted by ACMS (Post 10806296)
What BS......you’d like that wouldn’t you!!

Bases are the cheapest Pilots in Cx bar none. A country mile cheaper....and they will take a 25% pay cut this year alone on top of their already 30% cheaper salaries....

Amazing how few can see this.

BuzzBox 9th Jun 2020 06:30


Originally Posted by Dragon Pacific (Post 10806274)
That will finish off bases. Can’t use government money to keep people employed in other countries.

You seem to forget that CX also employs a number of ground staff in 'other countries'. According to your logic, CX would need to get rid of them too!

fly1981 9th Jun 2020 06:46


Originally Posted by ACMS (Post 10806296)
What BS......you’d like that wouldn’t you!!

Bases are the cheapest Pilots in Cx bar none. A country mile cheaper....and they will take a 25% pay cut this year alone on top of their already 30% cheaper salaries....

not cheaper than cos 18

ACMS 9th Jun 2020 07:12


Originally Posted by fly1981 (Post 10806334)
not cheaper than cos 18

Wrong....still cheaper than Cos18......

Top increment year 17 SCN pay in Aus is still around $500,000 HKD less than HKG SCN on Cos18..

Plus based Pilots get no expat allowances at all, zip nada zilch.

Their basic wage is still cheaper than HK at current exchange rates, by a country mile, then throw in the $360,000 yr housing cash and possible up to $180,000 yr education ( up to 3 kids ) and maybe ( if you’re lucky ) 13th month........

ChrissyPrezzie 9th Jun 2020 07:32

The fact that CL chose to save Cathay over HKA says a lot! Our pals over HKA must be bummed by this.

JMock 9th Jun 2020 07:52


Originally Posted by ChrissyPrezzie (Post 10806361)
The fact that CL chose to save Cathay over HKA says a lot! Our pals over HKA must be bummed by this.

dunno
it appears HKA might have been saved on the QT already

time will tell

MENELAUS 9th Jun 2020 09:12


Originally Posted by ACMS (Post 10806351)
Wrong....still cheaper than Cos18......

Top increment year 17 SCN pay in Aus is still around $500,000 HKD less than HKG SCN on Cos18..

Plus based Pilots get no expat allowances at all, zip nada zilch.

Their basic wage is still cheaper than HK at current exchange rates, by a country mile, then throw in the $360,000 yr housing cash and possible up to $180,000 yr education ( up to 3 kids ) and maybe ( if you’re lucky ) 13th month........

HKG Cn tops out at year 4. There is no
SCN decrement

Progress Wanchai 9th Jun 2020 10:26


Originally Posted by ACMS (Post 10806351)
Wrong....still cheaper than Cos18......

Top increment year 17 SCN pay in Aus is still around $500,000 HKD less than HKG SCN on Cos18..

Plus based Pilots get no expat allowances at all, zip nada zilch.

Their basic wage is still cheaper than HK at current exchange rates, by a country mile, then throw in the $360,000 yr housing cash and possible up to $180,000 yr education ( up to 3 kids ) and maybe ( if you’re lucky ) 13th month........

The captain scales aren’t universally reflective of the comparison between bases and COS18. Look at the FO scales. Let’s face it, there are a lot more FO’s in the company than captains.

Using your Australian based scenario, an Aus based FO on the top increment is on about 10% more than his COS18 equivalent, including housing. When just basic wage is taken into account the Hkg FO is on 65% of the Aus equivalent.

hyg 9th Jun 2020 11:25


Originally Posted by cxorcist (Post 10806283)
It’s a big, public loan that comes with board oversight. On its face, no big deal. What I’m wondering is how involved the Mainland ChiComs are in this move... They own 30% of CX and, well, 100% of Carrie Lam!

swire is done with cx.... on its face, they are still the majority shareholder, but with 2 'party nominated secretaries' watching, if those 2 decided to provide "opinion" in board meetings, do you think the Swire management will dare to say no?

This will probably also mark the end to any kind of industrial action, regardless of group, the Government has specifically said they will 'speak out' when it involves 'public interest', so anything that would disrupt travel, that's it....

Oasis 9th Jun 2020 11:54

Hyg, a lot will have to happen for Swire to give up on Cathay.
It is more than just about money for the family.

hyg 9th Jun 2020 11:56


Originally Posted by Oasis (Post 10806567)
Hyg, a lot will have to happen for Swire to give up on Cathay.
It is more than just about money for the family.

didn't say they will give up... just saying they don't have the ultimate call on decisions like they used to anymore

Sam Ting Wong 9th Jun 2020 11:58

Almost all based guys are eligible for Arapa B scale on return to HK, so the COS18 comparison is a bit flawed.




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