No need for concessions
 

CX Group reports loss of HK$4.5 billon 1/4 of this calendar year.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...-combined-hk45

At the end of March they reported they had HK$20 billon in liquidity. They then raised another HK$5.5 billon selling some old 777s.

So if we are losing HK1.125 billon per month we have enough liquidity to last 22 months before calling on Swire or Qatar to provide additional liquidity or selling further assets.

As a signifiant proportion of our pay is only paid if we fly (hourly duty pay), we have already made big enough concessions, let alone those who have salary reductions of 20% or 50%. Any further requests by the company are unwarranted. There is even less need for long term concessions. And yes, I do know the company will love the opportunity to stick it to use.

Hear hear!

To be fair I could countenance more temporary concessions, let’s face it, this is the most serious crisis to face aviation in our lifetimes. However retaining their entire workforce (with an eye to taking full advantage of the eventual recovery) whilst looking for permanent concessions would indeed be an opportunistic corporate money grab.

Fuel hedging losses....

2014 HK$3.7B
2015 HK$8.4B
2016 HK$8.4B
2017 HK$6.3B
2018 HK$1.4B
2019 HK$100M

(Google search....caveat emptor)

2019 annual report- operating expenses 105,000 million HK$. Revenue this year? Not much.

Much of this 'loss' is a book loss, not a cash loss, so the liquidity position is even better. No reason whatsoever for concessions. Google Forbes article, things aren't aren't as bad as one would think.

I'm astonished............. do you REALLY think that's the case? that the airline isn't going to turn the screws until you scream???? CX wasn't a brilliant investment pre-covid - right now, and with the developing political rucus with the USA it look even sicker.

You're also likely to be looking at people pulling the strings who know what the other Chinese Airlines have as T&C - they're going to compare & contrast................ You have absolutely no leverage here - if CX went bust it wouldn't be noticed - the others airlines would just step in

WTF?
Do you even work for CX? If you're POS18, how is it you have an opinion?

I was thinking the same... Not significant at all. We aren’t cabin crew.

No, I REALLY didn't say that. I REALLY believe that the company will stick it to us. I also REALLY believe that in CX's case there isn't a compelling financial reason for us to be shafted. It doesn't matter what other airlines pay, with seniority most of us are stuck where we are. CX has the liquidity to ride this out without screwing us over.

For those of us with families in HKG, the Hourly Duty Pay is significant.

Don't forget we were also screwed over for 13th, the profit sharing scheme is a joke and regardless of record profits in past years we haven't received a profit share and most of us have given SLS.

It can be safely said that the company will apply the 13th month in the same way they do the profit sharing. In other words, nothing more than a laughable sentence in our COS.

La La La La
 

" CX has the liquidity to ride this out without screwing us over."

What planet are you living on ? Certainly NOT the one named reality !!!

My opinion is CX as a group has expanded too quickly and at the wrong time. I think it will be a straight forward but stark choice job losses or a new contract.

Looks like CX's window of opportunity to screw its employees is narrowing quickly...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/07/stoc...lose-news.html

The stock market is currently only chasing emotions during this pandemic. It has actually been a long time since it reflected the actual ecobomy...

The stock market doesn't "reflect" the "real economy". It looks ahead approx 6 months.... Therefore, it's telling you that things are getting better as we go forward.

No need for concessions?

The problem isn't the need for them or not, it's whether CX can get away with forcing us to take them. And unless you believe the job market is hot at the moment, then yes, they can.
When they pull a BA and dismiss everyone with 24 hours to sign POS18 (or an even POS-er 20), what do you think most will do?

In fact, standby for incoming... trading has halted this morning.
This storm is only starting, and we'll all pay for it for the rest of our careers.

Cash from Quatar?

Air China, most likely.

Exactly.

”Need” and “Want” have been interchangeable verbs for years on both sides of the industrial table. For years each side has been able to industrially counter the other side’s wants.

I’m honestly out of ideas to how the pilots will counter management’s wants this time. I suspect the nil all draw deadlock is about to be broken.