Your comment is one of the reason nothing will ever change in Cx ( and also one of the reason why I am so happy to have left Cx). The day you will realise you have to stop barking and relying on somebody else to fight for you, maybe something will change... new joiners, trainers are not responsible, every single pilot inside the company is responsible for what’s happening, because nobody is actually ready for a war.. because a war involve casualties..The day you will organise with your friends a massive global strike with the help of AOA ( or without if you are a sufficient number) and take the risk to be fired PERSONALY, because you think the fight is worth the risk, then something will be achieved. But please stop telling people what they should do, and act. Because if you don’t go on strike for what you apparently believe in, then you will never be able to defend the trainers if they fight for you and get into trouble....
but hey, it has been years we hear the same mad dogs all night long, and everybody is at work quietly in the morning...we get used to it, and the funny thing is sadness turns into entertainment..

Anyway, I really wish you all the best for the future, and feel sorry for the attitude Cx still holds.

STW is on the money.

and my mates at HKA are watching. The consensus re schooling allowance, for example, screws both company’s pilots.

it’s a dog eat dog world.

STW,

I dont know which market you are looking at - if I went to another airline at the same rank I would be getting a 20% pay rise.

When I started at Cathay, our pay way benchmarked to lead other Oneworld peers - BA, Qantas, American. Then to match them. Then it was compared to “other major airlines”. Now we are supposed to believe that our real competition is AirAsia and Ryanair?

As for a pay rise to cover inflation, that would be great! I’d happily accept going back to the pay scale that I joined on if it was corrected for the inflation over the intervening years. I’m sure that HKPA could also easily be indexed to the rental market too. Now that would definitely reduce the decimation of the pilot body.

but the shareholders Ato are unconcerned about your salary sliding south as long as pilots keep applying. From anywhere.

read STW again.

The job I’m interviewing for. I’ve had enough of this place!

I’ll just take the first one as an example. Do you actually have any idea how difficult it is to get into Fedex? An employee can sponsor one applicant every 10 years and you ain't getting a look in the door without a sponsor. Turning up with shiny 777 time isn’t really much help in the big picture, sorry to say.
Which brings me to point #2, looking at the hourly pay at $304 for a year 15 captain at FedEx and then thinking that’s 16 years down the road from when you joined isn’t quite correct either.
None of the USA carriers mentioned are getting you into the LHS in a widebody in under 25 years. Though I’d love to hear if that’s changed.
Point #3, guys can do CC all they want if it makes them feel good, it’s a minor inconvenience to the company with all the new trainers joining and the people helping out in every way shape and form. I’d argue these days it’s more of an inconvenience to the employee than to the company, but it’s all we have. No criticism of the GC intended.

Hmmmmmm.....none of my colleagues seem to have had a great deal of trouble hiring on with FedEx, UPS, and other majors.

And what is the important thing is they are really really happy and excited about their job again.

Don’t worry CX management will realise in few years what they have done and will change course. As per usual CX is behind times. CX is where the US companies were 10 years ago as far as employees appreciation and value.
Also, CX supports LGBT community but DO NOT support traditional family value otherwise it will realise that NO ONE can start a family with this salaries in HK.
Meditate on it.

CMP and COS18 will be looked back on as the moment in time that CX died as a career airline for pilots. We can argue all we like, that will be shown to be fact in hindsight. Its time for anyone with hopes of a viable career to wake up to reality and make a move as soon as possible. It is over.

There is a lot more to a career than the time it takes to get to the left seat.

I’ll also point out that upgrading at the US carriers (and Some EU) is often delayed by choice. A very senior FO with their choice of schedules and fleet (because of the seniority system) almost always has a significantly better schedule and in some cases better pay than a junior captain.

Who cares about the seat. It’s about the $$$ and lifestyle. CX can not touch the yanks.

I would have thought it would be the opposite actually. Those on COS 99/08 will get absolutely flogged, as we basically get paid the same regardless of hours (obviously no overtime though), whilst those on COS 18 will take a second 20% pay cut to fly substantially less than the target.