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Jackschitt 9th Dec 2017 07:39

Arapa extension
 
This is the first time in a long time that Swire management has blinked. It goes to show that while they’re willing to cut their nose off to spite their face, they are not willing to go down the thermonuclear path of mutually assured destruction.

Hold the line!

checklistcomplete 9th Dec 2017 08:41

Time to tighten up on CC and TB and not fly if stressed or unfit. Your professional and legal responsibility.
A short sharp lesson, perhaps over a 24 hour period might bring senior management to their senses or have them replaced with professional managers tasked with turning the company around rather than just propping up their own bonuses.
Swires would have no hesitation in firing the whole lot of them if it protected the share price and their reputation in Beijing and London.

Trafalgar 9th Dec 2017 08:51

I'm not convinced this wasn't a deliberate ploy. Make us think how 'reasonable' they are, at the same time slapping all the Captains in the face and running off with our money. They are not reasonable, nor moral. It's time to show them that we are done being mistreated. To each Captain: what are YOU doing this coming holiday season?

Jackschitt 9th Dec 2017 12:50

It’s deliberate alright... they tested the waters by cancelling arapa and then intimating $30,000 as adequate, and then they got scared... that’s why they’re stepping back from the brink...

We can play the same game! Those TC’s and STC’s that are going to resign anyway, save your letters.... tell the aoa your intentions... then the aoa coordinate them sending the company their letters in batches as and when they see fit as a response when there is further unilateral action on management’s part.

Hold the line!

Flex88 9th Dec 2017 13:42

Extension
 
I love this extension...:ok:

It takes some of the pressure off myself, and I'm sure many others, allowing more time for the evaluation and selection process of "who my next employer will be".

I'm done with the "Leadership" turds (and their 3rd floor worshipers) at CX and it's great to have more time to make suitable "relocation" plans..

Thank you AT !

To all my colleagues, in regard the current batch of nomadic Swire Prince n Princesses, "Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do"

airplaneridesrfun 9th Dec 2017 16:35

This was a deliberate act....... make deliberate decisions!! To convert this into a policy instead of an agreement is the same thing that they wanted to do with rostering practices. If we accept it the way it is, they will use the fact that we went along with it for a year to show that we do not disagree with the ability for the company to turn it into a policy...... and for them to unilateral make the policy.

kind of sucks. However, like the previous poster, this allows those on the expat housing time to find other jobs. This is what AT wants so they can get the cheap C scales working through the ranks. Say goodbye to bases with the company dictating housing policy.

Oasis 9th Dec 2017 22:53

Extension of arapa is a good idea for cx, if they had cancelled it, especially after the lack of a 13th month, we would probably have seen a mass resignation of the checkers and trainers.

Aoa leadership on providing these people with some sort of guarantee that they can have their training/checking positions back first before anyone else is still sorely lacking.

With any luck we will be in profitability again next year, making all this cost-cutting no longer a necessity.

corrigin 9th Dec 2017 23:19


Originally Posted by Trafalgar (Post 9984258)
To each Captain: what are YOU doing this coming holiday season?

It's a 'no-brainer'.
I'll even be furnishing FOP#SICK with a paper trail :ok:

Oasis 10th Dec 2017 01:58

I'm sure the people on reserve this Christmas will be thankful..

Trafalgar 10th Dec 2017 02:29

Those on reserve have exactly the same 'options' as those rostered for flights. :ugh:

cxorcist 10th Dec 2017 19:56

Duh Oasis! Are you actually that stupid or just playing the part on Pprune?

Hugo Peroni the IV 10th Dec 2017 22:21

ARAPA changes nothing. It’s flu season. Make sure you’re 100% fit in body and mind otherwise stay at home! I can think of 35000 reasons why you might not be fit for work!

Trafalgar 10th Dec 2017 23:46

And I am...at least a box of tissue per day. sniff.

Freehills 11th Dec 2017 08:37

Thing is, by blinking, they have opened Pandora's box. If the argument for restructuring ARAPA was to bring it in line with what 'the market' is for C scale/ HKAPA, then by delaying it for a year, the obvious counter is that HKAPA should be increased to ARAPA...

broadband circuit 12th Dec 2017 02:41


Extension of arapa is a good idea for cx,
Apparently so.

I just received something forwarded to me explaining that this "extension" has some subtle differences to the arapa policy regarding being contractual vs company policy, and if we simply accept it then we could potentially acquiesce to housing becoming pure policy at the sole discretion of the company.

Tread carefully. We may need to formally notify the company that we reserve our position regarding or COS housing clause

blade 15th Dec 2017 22:56

Did I miss something ,ARAPA wasn't continued it was cancelled!

Dragon Pacific 13th Apr 2018 07:32

KA indicator
 
KA have today given an indication of where housing is heading. Of course they aren't being straight as usual.
One time offer, expression of interest etc.
Indicative range is $57-60k/month cash allowance for those willing to sign away their rights to expat housing/ rental scheme, it is also subject to further considerations and change.

backtothegrindstone 13th Apr 2018 10:08

Wait until they attack your housing !!!! I for one was a “stupid” Cadet that was fighting for your housing last December...... but now you can forget it.
Take it from me- all SO’s are the same. We have forfeited everything, money, upgrade times while you guys complain about selling your 4th house.
You have not shown support for us while DEFO come in and we get delayed. No ASR-F filled in on 2 SO’s flights. Well done on protecting us. Goodbye housing

raven11 13th Apr 2018 10:10

Let me guess...subject to further consideration and change at the Company’s sole discretion?

Ya, sure, sign me up.

Good news is that by making such an offer they are acknowledging that they can’t change a longstanding policy without your signature...

SloppyJoe 13th Apr 2018 14:31

No I don't think they are. It is a renewable agreement, they were going to change it but backed down due to the threat of trainers resigning. ARAPA is now, this very minute, amenable by CX, this KA offer is no different. If they went back to the old ways, where rent can be paid to your company, they may be onto something as the tax saving makes up for the shortfall, win win however is not in their interest for some reason unfortunately.


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